Did God Predestinate some to Hell/Wrath ?

[Doug Brents]

No it doesnt, you just trying to escape the truth

Yes they were because they had no substitute that was cursed in their behalf, like Christ was for the Sheep.

Christ was not cursed just for the sheep. He was cursed. Period. Because cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree. Period. There is no qualification. Christ Jesus died for EVERYONE, not just the Church (1 John 2:2)(I know I have pointed out that verse to you before, but you seem to have forgotten it, ignored it, or don't think that John's writings are Scripture).

Yeah in Adam , condemnation came upon them then,

Condemnation came upon all mankind thorough Adam, not just upon the "non-elect", because EVERYONE has sinned and is therefore condemned before God.

and they never had a substitute for them to be cursed in their behalf, so consequently they never come from under the condemnation of the law. They are born cursed children like these 2 Pet 2 14

Again, you are perverting Scripture to fit your own agenda. But I have come to expect nothing else from you.

 

[brightfame52]

Christ was not cursed just for the sheep.

False Gal 3:13

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Us is a definite group of people.

All the ones He was cursed for, redeemed, they are given the Spirit because of it Gal 4:4-6

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

 

[brightfame52]

Condemnation came upon all mankind thorough Adam,

Rom 5:18 is talking about the elect and not mankind in General, the all men in Rom 5:18 are the Many in Rom 5:19 the elect. And the all and or many were Justified or made righteous as the result of the actions of one. That in itself proves the limitation.

The all men of Rom 5:18 the results of the one resulted in their Justification of life, period ! If it was for all mankind without exception, thats universalism, good luck with that heresy

 

[brightfame52]

Again, you are perverting Scripture to fit your own agenda

Im giving you truth which your unable to receive, I wonder why

 

[Doug Brents]

False Gal 3:13

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Us is a definite group of people.

All the ones He was cursed for, redeemed, they are given the Spirit because of it Gal 4:4-6

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Again, that is your personal interpretation, but it does not take into account all of Scripture. "Them that were under the Law" is not those who were saved; it is all the Jews (most of whom were not saved, because the large majority refused to accept Jesus as Lord). "Us" is all mankind, for that is whom Jesus died to save (1 John 2:2).

Rom 5:18 is talking about the elect and not mankind in General, the all men in Rom 5:18

Do you not understand plain English/Greek? Rom 5:18 says clearly that ALL MANKIND is condemned because of the sin of Adam (because each of us have sinned because sin is in the world). You read what you want to see, instead of what is plainly written.

are the Many in Rom 5:19 the elect.

Yes, the many who are made righteous are the elect. But the many who are unrighteous are not the elect (that is all mankind).

And the all and or many were Justified or made righteous as the result of the actions of one. That in itself proves the limitation.

The limit on who is saved is limited by who will accept Jesus as Lord. If more than one is saved by the actions of the ONE (Jesus), that demonstrates the UNLIMITED nature of His redemption, not any supposed limitation.

The all men of Rom 5:18 the results of the one resulted in their Justification of life, period ! If it was for all mankind without exception, thats universalism, good luck with that heresy

You are confused. Jesus' death was "for" all mankind, but not all will accept His offering, so not all will be saved. Obviously universalism is false. But that doesn't mean that He didn't die for all mankind (as Scripture says He did).

Im giving you truth which your unable to receive, I wonder why

You are giving what you (a blind guide) perceive as the truth, but since it does not agree with Scripture it is NOT TRUTH.

 

[brightfame52]

Again, that is your personal interpretation

Yep that is my understanding, given by God

 

[brightfame52]

Do you not understand plain English/Greek? Rom 5:18 says clearly that ALL MANKIND is condemned because of the sin of Adam (because each of us have sinned because sin is in the world). You read what you want to see, instead of what is plainly written.

Rom 5:18 is only about the elect, and the all in the second half actually are Justified. What Christ done resulted in thheir Justification of life.

So then as through one trespass [Adam’s sin] there resulted condemnation for all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.AMP

Are you now a universalist? Does Justification of life result for all mankind ?

 

[Doug Brents]

Yep that is my understanding, given by God

God speaks to us through the Scriptures, His written Word. Any personal revelations He might grant will NEVER contradict His written Word. All the things you have posted have been shown to be contradictory to Scripture, so any "understanding" you have personally received have not come from God.

Rom 5:18 is only about the elect, and the all in the second half actually are Justified. What Christ done resulted in thheir Justification of life.

So then as through one trespass [Adam’s sin] there resulted condemnation for all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.AMP

Are you now a universalist? Does Justification of life result for all mankind ?

No, I am NOT a universalist. You seem to have the same problem reading my comments that you have with reading Scripture: you only see what you want to see.

 

[brightfame52]

No, I am NOT a universalist.

Okay the all men in Rom 5:18 refers to the elect alone.

 

[Doug Brents]

Okay the all men in Rom 5:18 refers to the elect alone.

Only in your mind.
"All men"
all
πάντας (pantas)
men,
ἀνθρώπους (anthrōpous)
There is NO limitation on this in Scripture. It is not "all saved men". It is not "all the elect". It says ALL MEN (meaning mankind, not to exclude women). Period.

 

[FreeInChrist]

Okay the all men in Rom 5:18 refers to the elect alone.

In your dreams.

 

[brightfame52]

Only in your mind.

No its True. The all men in Rom 5:18 because of what Christ did for them, it resulted in their Justification of Life. So they are Justified. Is everyone without exception Justified ? NO

 

[FreeInChrist]

No its True. The all men in Rom 5:18 because of what Christ did for them, it resulted in their Justification of Life. So they are Justified. Is everyone without exception Justified ? NO

and so there were 4000 plus years of no one ever hearing of justification? WOW

 

[brightfame52]

In your dreams.

Oh no. Only one people Has God promised to Justify in the lord Isa 45 25

In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory

Israel is the elect. So that's who Justified in Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life

 

[Doug Brents]

No its True. The all men in Rom 5:18 because of what Christ did for them, it resulted in their Justification of Life. So they are Justified. Is everyone without exception Justified ? NO

The fact that God offered justification to all mankind through Jesus' sacrifice does not mean that all mankind are justified. It simply means that all mankind CAN BE justified, if they choose to accept Jesus as Lord. But not all mankind will accept Jesus (most, in fact, won't), so most will remain condemned to Hell.

 

[FreeInChrist]

Oh no. Only one people Has God promised to Justify in the lord Isa 45 25

In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory

Israel is the elect. So that's who Justified in Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life

iN YOUR DREAMS.... BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING OF ALL , AND if you insist that " Israel is the elect. So that's who Justified in Rom 5:18"

YOU ARE NOT nor will you be justified either unless you are admitting to be Hebraic Jew. (Which would explain a lot)

 

[brightfame52]

The fact that God offered justification to all mankind through Jesus' sacrifice does not mean that all mankind are justified

This is a fable. What Jesus did resulted in Justification Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life

Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. NKJV

 

[brightfame52]

iN YOUR DREAMS.... BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING OF ALL , AND if you insist that " Israel is the elect. So that's who Justified in Rom 5:18"

I understand the all in Rom 5:18 is the elect and what Jesus did resulted in their Justification of life.

Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.

 

[Doug Brents]

This is a fable. What Jesus did resulted in Justification Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life

Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. NKJV

Again, you are ignoring Scripture. Rom 5:18 is not the only verse that speaks about who Jesus died for.
1 John 2:2 says that Jesus died not only for us, the saved, but for the whole world.
John 1:29 says that Jesus takes away the sin of the world. Who is the "world" in Scripture? Almost always it refers to the sinful.
1 John 4:14 says that Jesus is the savior of the world.
2 Cor 5:15 says Jesus died for all, so that those who live (those who choose Him) will live for Him.

There are many more. Jesus didn't just die for the "elect" as you so erroneously argue. He died for all of mankind. When you realize that, it will really help your study of Scripture.

 

[brightfame52]

Again, you are ignoring Scripture.

No you are.