Did God, forsake Jesus on the cross?

yes his and the Power of His resurrection
That is a spiritual principle one can partake in today, isn’t it?

There was a time where Jesus, spoke concerning asking the Father, to help us by the spirit.

Making time in praying to Yahavah/Yahweh, and asking for help, by the spirit is something all believers have the ability to do, by and through the gospel (good news) which is the power of God unto Salvation bringing someone who is seeking in faith newness of life?
 
That was not an answer to my question.

I asked you, did you read the article?

I disagree with God not forsaking Jesus. It seems people just dismiss the words of Jesus… which a foretold happening happened.

People have to make their own choice, and I choose to believe what Jesus had said… and God did leave him, being the Christ in Yeshua.

It was only for a moment of time.

”“For a mere moment I have forsaken you, But with great mercies I will gather you.“
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭54‬:‭7‬ ‭NKJV

If you want to believe God forsakes His Son or His people, then NONE of us are secure.
And none of us are really saved.
And this means nothing after all:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.
Jn 10:27–29.
 
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If you want to believe God forsakes His Son or His people, then NONE of us are secure.
And none of us are really saved.
That’s just hearsay. The good news is about the death, burial and resurrection… and about walking and abiding in Christ, not to slip back into becoming non believing. All the best in Christ, friend.


”At one time you were separated from God. You were his enemies in your minds, because the evil you did was against him. But now he has made you his friends again. He did this by the death Christ suffered while he was in his body. He did it so that he could present you to himself as people who are holy, blameless, and without anything that would make you guilty before him. And that is what will happen if you continue to believe in the Good News you heard. You must remain strong and sure in your faith. You must not let anything cause you to give up the hope that became yours when you heard the Good News. That same Good News has been told to everyone on earth, and that’s the work that I, Paul, was given to do.“
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭1‬:‭21‬-‭23‬ ‭ERV
 
@jeremiah1five you can try to find a reason to say God did not forsake Jesus but your pretty much calling Jesus a liar when he says it.

”About three o’clock Jesus cried out loudly, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” This means “My God, my God, why have you left me alone?”“
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭27‬:‭46‬ ‭ERV‬‬

”And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”“
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭27‬:‭46‬ ‭NKJV‬‬



You realize that? I don’t know why you have trouble accepting it but all I can do is let God deal with you on that matter.

All the best! In Christ.
 
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The subject is “Did God, forsake Jesus, on the cross?” not anyone else.
No God did not forsake Jesus the sinless one, God the Son Incarnate on the cross. It was their plan together from the beginning. God does not forsake God and God does not forsake believers either as I provided many verses stating God is with us when we are persecuted but never forsaken. If God does not forsake us, God does not forsake Himself.

Love never forsakes, abandons, turns away from, discards.

1 John 3:14-19
14 We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love abides in death. 15 Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer; and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 16 We know love by this, that He laid down His life for us; and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. 17 But whoever has the world's goods, and sees his brother in need and closes his heart against him, how does the love of God abide in him? 18 Little children, let us not love with word or with tongue, but in deed and truth.


1 John 4:7-14
7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. 8 The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love. 9 By this the love of God was manifested in us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world so that we might live through Him. 10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has seen God at any time; if we love one another, God abides in us, and His love is perfected in us. 13 By this we know that we abide in Him and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit.

1 John 4:16-21
16 We have come to know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and the one who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him. 17 By this, love is perfected with us, so that we may have confidence in the day of judgment; because as He is, so also are we in this world. 18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love. 19 We love, because He first loved us. 20 If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen. 21 And this commandment we have from Him, that the one who loves God should love his brother also.

hope this helps !!!
 
The following scriptures affirm that Jesus' relationship with the Father on the cross was still there and not broken.

Psalm 22:24 For he has not despised or scorned the suffering of the afflicted one; he has not hidden his face from him but has listened to his cry for help.

Luke 23:46 Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he had said this, he breathed his last.

John 16:32 "A time is coming and in fact has come when you will be scattered, each to your own home. You will leave me all alone. Yet I am not alone, for my Father is with me."

Hebrews 5:7 During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.

Jesus' promise to the thief on the cross that today you will be with Me in Paradise reaffirms Jesus went to be with the Father and not suffer in hell as some teach.

Jesus bearing God's “cup of wrath” and being despised and forsaken by the Father and Him turning His back on the Son is not found in Scripture.



In Matthew 26:39, Jesus says, "If it be your will, let this cup pass from me." Jesus tells us precisely what the cup was. It was the cup of his suffering, which meant that He would die an agonizing death as a martyr. In the passage below, Jesus told His disciples that they would also drink of the same "cup":

Matthew 20:17-
Now Jesus was going up to Jerusalem. On the way, he took the Twelve aside and said to them, 18 “We are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be delivered over to the chief priests and the teachers of the law. They will condemn him to death 19 and will hand him over to the Gentiles to be mocked and flogged and crucified. On the third day he will be raised to life!”20 Then the mother of Zebedee’s sons came to Jesus with her sons and, kneeling down, asked a favor of him. 21 “What is it you want?” he asked. She said, "Grant that one of these two sons of mine may sit at your right and the other at your left in your kingdom."22 “You don’t know what you are asking,” Jesus said to them. “Can you drink the cup I am going to drink?” “We can,” they answered. 23 Jesus said to them, “You will indeed drink from my cup, but to sit at my right or left is not for me to grant. These places belong to those for whom they have been prepared by my Father.”

1Thessalonians 5:9-For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.

As we see above it was not the cup of wrath Jesus was speaking about but it was the suffering He was going to have to endure for our sins. God has not appointed us to wrath and the cup means the suffering of Jesus and that the disciples would also suffer death as martyrs. In fact, many scriptures testify that believers too will suffer persecution for being a follower of Jesus. Suffering persecution is a promise for a believer who follows Jesus, it is something we should expect to happen in our life.

2 Timothy 3:12- Yes, and everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution.

John 15:20 Remember the word that I spoke to you: 'No servant is greater than his master.' If they persecuted Me, they will persecute you as well; if they kept My word, they will keep yours as well.

Matthew 5:10 - Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

2 Corinthians 4:9- persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed.

Hebrews 13:5- Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, for God has said: "Never will I leave you, never will I forsake you."

Romans 8:35
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ?
Shall trouble or distress or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?

Psalm 9:10
And they that know thy name will put their trust in thee: for thou, LORD, hast not forsaken them that seek thee

Psalm 37:25, 28

I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread: For the LORD loves justice and will not forsake His saints. They are preserved forever, but the offspring of the wicked will be cut off.

Isaiah 41:17- The poor and needy seek water, but there is none; their tongues are parched with thirst. I, the LORD, will answer them; I, the God of Israel, will not forsake them

conclusion
: Jesus the Righteous One, Holy One, Divine Son of God was not forsaken by the Father as Scripture declares in many places in both testaments. One cannot Isolate Jesus words from the rest of Scripture that contradicts Gods promise to never forsake His righteous ones. That is a promise from God that He will never break. Those who teach He was forsaken are misunderstanding Scripture and have God contradicting Himself and making God the Father out to be a liar.

hope this helps !!!
 
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No God did not forsake Jesus the sinless one, God the Son Incarnate on the cross. It was their plan together from the beginning. God does not forsake God and God does not forsake believers either as I provided many verses stating God is with us when we are persecuted but never forsaken. If God does not forsake us, God does not forsake Himself.

Love never forsakes, abandons, turns away from, discards.

1 John 3:14-19
14 We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love abides in death. 15 Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer; and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 16 We know love by this, that He laid down His life for us; and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. 17 But whoever has the world's goods, and sees his brother in need and closes his heart against him, how does the love of God abide in him? 18 Little children, let us not love with word or with tongue, but in deed and truth.


1 John 4:7-14
7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. 8 The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love. 9 By this the love of God was manifested in us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world so that we might live through Him. 10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has seen God at any time; if we love one another, God abides in us, and His love is perfected in us. 13 By this we know that we abide in Him and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit.

1 John 4:16-21
16 We have come to know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and the one who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him. 17 By this, love is perfected with us, so that we may have confidence in the day of judgment; because as He is, so also are we in this world. 18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love. 19 We love, because He first loved us. 20 If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen. 21 And this commandment we have from Him, that the one who loves God should love his brother also.

hope this helps !!!

The following scriptures affirm that Jesus' relationship with the Father on the cross was still there and not broken.

Psalm 22:24 For he has not despised or scorned the suffering of the afflicted one; he has not hidden his face from him but has listened to his cry for help.

Luke 23:46 Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he had said this, he breathed his last.

John 16:32 "A time is coming and in fact has come when you will be scattered, each to your own home. You will leave me all alone. Yet I am not alone, for my Father is with me."

Hebrews 5:7 During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.

Jesus' promise to the thief on the cross that today you will be with Me in Paradise reaffirms Jesus went to be with the Father and not suffer in hell as some teach.

Jesus bearing God's “cup of wrath” and being despised and forsaken by the Father and Him turning His back on the Son is not found in Scripture.



In Matthew 26:39, Jesus says, "If it be your will, let this cup pass from me." Jesus tells us precisely what the cup was. It was the cup of his suffering, which meant that He would die an agonizing death as a martyr. In the passage below, Jesus told His disciples that they would also drink of the same "cup":

Matthew 20:17-
Now Jesus was going up to Jerusalem. On the way, he took the Twelve aside and said to them, 18 “We are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be delivered over to the chief priests and the teachers of the law. They will condemn him to death 19 and will hand him over to the Gentiles to be mocked and flogged and crucified. On the third day he will be raised to life!”20 Then the mother of Zebedee’s sons came to Jesus with her sons and, kneeling down, asked a favor of him. 21 “What is it you want?” he asked. She said, "Grant that one of these two sons of mine may sit at your right and the other at your left in your kingdom."22 “You don’t know what you are asking,” Jesus said to them. “Can you drink the cup I am going to drink?” “We can,” they answered. 23 Jesus said to them, “You will indeed drink from my cup, but to sit at my right or left is not for me to grant. These places belong to those for whom they have been prepared by my Father.”

1Thessalonians 5:9-For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.

As we see above it was not the cup of wrath Jesus was speaking about but it was the suffering He was going to have to endure for our sins. God has not appointed us to wrath and the cup means the suffering of Jesus and that the disciples would also suffer death as martyrs. In fact, many scriptures testify that believers too will suffer persecution for being a follower of Jesus. Suffering persecution is a promise for a believer who follows Jesus, it is something we should expect to happen in our life.

2 Timothy 3:12- Yes, and everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution.

John 15:20 Remember the word that I spoke to you: 'No servant is greater than his master.' If they persecuted Me, they will persecute you as well; if they kept My word, they will keep yours as well.

Matthew 5:10 - Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

2 Corinthians 4:9- persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed.

Hebrews 13:5- Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, for God has said: "Never will I leave you, never will I forsake you."

Romans 8:35
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ?
Shall trouble or distress or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?

Psalm 9:10
And they that know thy name will put their trust in thee: for thou, LORD, hast not forsaken them that seek thee

Psalm 37:25, 28

I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread: For the LORD loves justice and will not forsake His saints. They are preserved forever, but the offspring of the wicked will be cut off.

Isaiah 41:17- The poor and needy seek water, but there is none; their tongues are parched with thirst. I, the LORD, will answer them; I, the God of Israel, will not forsake them

conclusion
: Jesus the Righteous One, Holy One, Divine Son of God was not forsaken by the Father as Scripture declares in many places in both testaments. One cannot Isolate Jesus words from the rest of Scripture that contradicts Gods promise to never forsake His righteous ones. That is a promise from God that He will never break. Those who teach He was forsaken are misunderstanding Scripture and have God contradicting Himself and making God the Father out to be a liar.

hope this helps !!!
You can have all the words in the world but too can’t make Jesus not say that God did not forsake him man

Thank you for stating your position and all these things that make it seem God did not leave Jesus.

You’re wrong man… @civic. You continue to turn out to make Jesus words untrue.

”About three o’clock Jesus cried out loudly, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” This means “My God, my God, why have you left me alone?”“
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭27‬:‭46‬ ‭ERV‬‬

”And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”“
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭27‬:‭46‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

You never even replied to my other reply to you… you just go in a tangent. It’s okay though bud.
 
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Either what Jesus said was true…

Or man is a liar.

It’s only one of the two…

4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
 
10 plus passages below about Gods everlasting promise to never leave you, abandon you or forsake you. Psalm 22:1 cannot mean the opposite of all these passages. That is a blatant contradiction and makes God a liar.

Psalm 94:14- For the Lord will not forsake his people; he will not abandon his heritage

1 Samuel 12:22
Indeed, for the sake of His great name, the LORD will not abandon His people, because He was pleased to make you His own.

1 Chronicles 28:20
Then David said to Solomon his son, “Be strong and courageous and do it. Do not be afraid and do not be dismayed, for the Lord God, even my God, is with you. He will not leave you or forsake you

2 Corinthians 4:9- persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed.

1 Kings 8:57- The Lord our God be with us, as he was with our fathers. May he not leave us or forsake us,

Hebrews 13:5-
Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, for God has said: "Never will I leave you, never will I forsake you."

Romans 8:35
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ?
Shall trouble or distress or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?

Psalm 9:10
And they that know thy name will put their trust in thee: for thou, LORD, hast not forsaken them that seek thee

Psalm 37:25, 28

I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread: For the LORD loves justice and will not forsake His saints. They are preserved forever, but the offspring of the wicked will be cut off.

Isaiah 41:17- The poor and needy seek water, but there is none; their tongues are parched with thirst. I, the LORD, will answer them; I, the God of Israel, will not forsake them
 
@civic stop pasting on thread and either be civil…. And talk to me with out your massive waves of scripture and be reasonable.,..

Your making me look at you extremely poorly.
It’s not time to be a child but be an adult.


Does God leaving his son make people feel a certain way?

There are birds who drop off eggs in other birds nest and leave them there to be took care off.

Does God abandoning his Son make you feel bad for him?

God was pleased by this… to have his son crushed…
 
@civic stop pasting on thread and either be civil…. And talk to me with out your massive waves of scripture and be reasonable.,..

Your making me look at you extremely poorly.
It’s not time to be a child but be an adult.


Does God leaving his son make people feel a certain way?

There are birds who drop off eggs in other birds nest and leave them there to be took care off.

Does God abandoning his Son make you feel bad for him?

God was pleased by this… to have his son crushed…
 
@civic stop pasting on thread and either be civil…. And talk to me with out your massive waves of scripture and be reasonable.,..

Your making me look at you extremely poorly.
It’s not time to be a child but be an adult.


Does God leaving his son make people feel a certain way?

There are birds who drop off eggs in other birds nest and leave them there to be took care off.

Does God abandoning his Son make you feel bad for him?

God was pleased by this… to have his son crushed…
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@civic stop pasting on thread and either be civil…. And talk to me with out your massive waves of scripture and be reasonable.,..

Your making me look at you extremely poorly.
It’s not time to be a child but be an adult.


Does God leaving his son make people feel a certain way?

There are birds who drop off eggs in other birds nest and leave them there to be took care off.

Does God abandoning his Son make you feel bad for him?

God was pleased by this… to have his son crushed…
Now it's time for you to tell us how you can resolve/harmonize these 2 seemingly contradictory facts:
  1. Jesus cried out the words of Psalm 22:1 " My God, my God, why have You forsaken me,.."
  2. (Psa 22:24) For He has not despised nor hated the affliction of the afflicted; and He has not hidden His face from him, but when he cried to Him, He heard.
If you refuse to resolve it one way or another then you will have contradicted God who declares that He is not a God of confusion.
 
Now it's time for you to tell us how you can resolve/harmonize these 2 seemingly contradictory facts:
  1. Jesus cried out the words of Psalm 22:1 " My God, my God, why have You forsaken me,.."
  2. (Psa 22:24) For He has not despised nor hated the affliction of the afflicted; and He has not hidden His face from him, but when he cried to Him, He heard.
If you refuse to resolve it one way or another then you will have contradicted God who declares that He is not a God of confusion.

Why would you suggest me to give you an answer when you can not reply to what I have written to you previously? That is shady at best, I hate people on the internet sometimes. Anyway...

People who wanna know the basic premise can go back to the original post, and see what is concluded there.

Original Post:


@synergy God still came and raised his son up, he was not with him for 3 days... While Jesus was in Hell. He never forgot about him, He was not mad at him.

It just so happens on the cross, God leaves Jesus there to die, and God is pleased by it (because of Jesus and his willingness to give up his life!) It PLEASED God that his SON WAS CRUSHED.
 
It makes you wonder if God is pleased when we become crushed, in putting to death our old man, and raising in the newness of life which is Christ, and letting him live in and through us, which produces good works, for his pleasure.

Cause the crushing of Jesus, came at the price of putting Yahavah, first and others before himself. That crushing of Jesus, was like eternal wine, though, with paying for all sins forever more! The whole Law, which was given to Israel was completed in order to bring in the second covenant which would last forever, where Yahavah, writing his laws on the hearts and minds of those who are his.
 
Now it's time for you to tell us how you can resolve/harmonize these 2 seemingly contradictory facts:
  1. Jesus cried out the words of Psalm 22:1 " My God, my God, why have You forsaken me,.."
  2. (Psa 22:24) For He has not despised nor hated the affliction of the afflicted; and He has not hidden His face from him, but when he cried to Him, He heard.
If you refuse to resolve it one way or another then you will have contradicted God who declares that He is not a God of confusion.

Just because God moved out of Jesus, doesn't mean God couldn't listen to his prayers... You alone, should be able to question these things, and seek out an answer for yourself, instead of having me do it for you...

Hope it helps though, but man the lack of people going to see, think, and prospect and pray to God about these things, seems to be a very dry land out there in the internet world.

@civic, you and your comments went overshadowed, and sorry for that but you have to stick with the subject matter, without going on into other areas that are off topic, concerning the matters of Jesus being forsaken by God... He was...

Otherwise Jesus was lying when he said it...

It must bother people, does it bother you to ever think of such a thing? Have you ever had anyone teach this way?
 
Addressing the OP,
God forsaking the son"? this is bared out in Isaiah chapter 59, read this chapter real good. the word forsaking, (forsook), means leave, the present of the Father in that body came out of the son, because the sins of the whole world will be laid on him. This word forsook is interesting. Forsook , or forsaking is the act of, or the allowing of one to be sacrifice. Note, to clearly see this, another word, or some synonyms words for forsook is, renounced, relinquished, “sacrificed”. Sacrificed is the word we are looking for. For the Lord God did provide himself a sacrifice, (a lamb). Genesis 22:8 "And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together”. And who is this LAMB?, God in flesh. John 1:29 "The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world". John 1:35 "Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples; 36 And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!"
and this is bared out in Hebrews 9:26. "For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself”. Also again, proof of Jesus preexistence. God cannot dwell in an unclean place, and the scripture is clear, God will never forsake you, nor leave you, read Hebrews 13:15. and reading the whole chapter of Isa, the entire book is worth reading, but Jesus the lamb of God, was made/design to suffer, even the death of the cross. Philippians 2:5 " Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross". And upon that death, it released, or relinquished, (that's what forsook means), the full power and attributes of God in human form. Glory to Jesus. No more blood to hinder the Power of God. now the same eternal Spirit, that is, and was, is now to come, the Holy Spirit. is Spirit in Glorified form.

101G.
 
Why would you suggest me to give you an answer when you can not reply to what I have written to you previously? That is shady at best, I hate people on the internet sometimes. Anyway...
I could be wrong but the only difference I see between you and me is that you believe that Jesus was forsaken by God whereas I do not. That's my reply. Do you have anything else you want me to reply to?
People who wanna know the basic premise can go back to the original post, and see what is concluded there.

Original Post:


@synergy God still came and raised his son up, he was not with him for 3 days... While Jesus was in Hell.
Jesus was in Hades (Gr: αδου), not Hell. 1 Pet 3:18-20 describes the descent of the Word of God (Christ) into the very heart of Hades (the Prison) where He crippled it by the sheer fact that He is God.

Why was that necessary? That's because even though Individual sins are forgiven at the Cross, man was still under the curse of death. Death needed a different solution and God devised one where the Word of God would descend into the very heart of Hades and cripple it by the sheer fact that He is God. Death naively swallowed the Word who in turn crushed it, liberating those under its imprisonment.
 
If God can move out of the Lord Jesus, that means that God can move out of anyone, who decides to renounce, and not standfast, in faith in the Gospel...

Meaning once saved, always saved is still a myth.
 
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