Did God, forsake Jesus on the cross?

[MatthewG]

Addressing the OP,
God forsaking the son"? this is bared out in Isaiah chapter 59, read this chapter real good. the word forsaking, (forsook), means leave, the present of the Father in that body came out of the son, because the sins of the whole world will be laid on him. This word forsook is interesting. Forsook , or forsaking is the act of, or the allowing of one to be sacrifice. Note, to clearly see this, another word, or some synonyms words for forsook is, renounced, relinquished, “sacrificed”. Sacrificed is the word we are looking for. For the Lord God did provide himself a sacrifice, (a lamb). Genesis 22:8 "And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together”. And who is this LAMB?, God in flesh. John 1:29 "The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world". John 1:35 "Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples; 36 And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!"
and this is bared out in Hebrews 9:26. "For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself”. Also again, proof of Jesus preexistence. God cannot dwell in an unclean place, and the scripture is clear, God will never forsake you, nor leave you, read Hebrews 13:15. and reading the whole chapter of Isa, the entire book is worth reading, but Jesus the lamb of God, was made/design to suffer, even the death of the cross. Philippians 2:5 " Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross". And upon that death, it released, or relinquished, (that's what forsook means), the full power and attributes of God in human form. Glory to Jesus. No more blood to hinder the Power of God. now the same eternal Spirit, that is, and was, is now to come, the Holy Spirit. is Spirit in Glorified form.

101G.

This is just a bunch of mess. I can't read this, sorry 101G.

 

[101G]

If God can move out of the Lord Jesus, that means that God can move out of anyone, who decides to renounce, and not standfast, in faith in the Gospel...

Meaning once saved, always saved is still a myth.

ERROR, for the sins of the world was put on him, and God dwells not in a unclean place. once dead and risen, do he now dwells in that body? yes or no.

101G.

 

[MatthewG]

ERROR, for the sins of the world was put on him, and God dwells not in a unclean place. once dead and risen, do he now dwells in that body? yes or no.

101G.

Does the sin of unbelief, still exist? There is a "unforgivable sin." Or no? The Pharisees denying God, and desiring to kill the Son of God. A heart hardened by sin, of unbelief.

 

[101G]

This is just a bunch of mess. I can't read this, sorry 101G.

then it's not for you. an excuse is not acceptable.

good day

101G.

 

[MatthewG]

I could be wrong but the only difference I see between you and me is that you believe that Jesus was forsaken by God whereas I do not. That's my reply. Do you have anything else you want me to reply to?

We have established that between each other now. Wonderful! You dont have to reply to me at all or to anything I write.

Jesus was in Hades (Gr: αδου), not Hell. 1 Pet 3:18-20 describes the descent of the Word of God (Christ) into the very heart of Hades (the Prison) where He crippled it by the sheer fact that He is God.

Hell, Hades, Sheol. It's all the same to me. He went to Paradise, and traveled to the prison part. We agree.

Why was that necessary? That's because even though Individual sins are forgiven at the Cross, man was still under the curse of death. Death needed a different solution and God devised one where the Word of God would descend into the very heart of Hades and cripple it by the sheer fact that He is God.

Praise God for Jesus fulfilling the Law, which leads to death.

2 Corinthians 3:6 who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament — not of the letter, but of the Spirit; for the letter killeth, but the Spirit giveth life.

Death naively swallowed the Word who in turn crushed it, liberating those under its imprisonment.

Thank you for sharing, with me. Let's continue to seek after the Father in spirit and worshiping in spirit and truth.

 

[MatthewG]

then it's not for you. an excuse is not acceptable.

good day

101G.

Okay, have a good day, can you just straighten it up a bit or something? If not oh well, it was not for me anyway. Did you read the original post?

 

[synergy]

Just because God moved out of Jesus, doesn't mean God couldn't listen to his prayers... You alone, should be able to question these things, and seek out an answer for yourself, instead of having me do it for you...

Hope it helps though, but man the lack of people going to see, think, and prospect and pray to God about these things, seems to be a very dry land out there in the internet world.

@civic, you and your comments went overshadowed, and sorry for that but you have to stick with the subject matter, without going on into other areas that are off topic, concerning the matters of Jesus being forsaken by God... He was...

Otherwise Jesus was lying when he said it...

It must bother people, does it bother you to ever think of such a thing? Have you ever had anyone teach this way?

Speaking of "very dry land out there in the internet world", you danced around my question. Here is is again:

Now it's time for you to tell us how you can resolve/harmonize these 2 seemingly contradictory facts:

1. Jesus cried out the words of Psalm 22:1 " My God, my God, why have You forsaken me,.."
2. (Psa 22:24) For He has not despised nor hated the affliction of the afflicted; and He has not hidden His face from him, but when he cried to Him, He heard.

If you refuse to resolve it one way or another then you will have contradicted God who declares that He is not a God of confusion.

 

[MatthewG]

Just because God moved out of Jesus, doesn't mean God couldn't listen to his prayers... You alone, should be able to question these things, and seek out an answer for yourself, instead of having me do it for you...

Hope it helps though, but man the lack of people going to see, think, and prospect and pray to God about these things, seems to be a very dry land out there in the internet world.

@civic, you and your comments went overshadowed, and sorry for that but you have to stick with the subject matter, without going on into other areas that are off topic, concerning the matters of Jesus being forsaken by God... He was...

Otherwise Jesus was lying when he said it...

It must bother people, does it bother you to ever think of such a thing? Have you ever had anyone teach this way?

Speaking of "very dry land out there in the internet world", you danced around my question. Here is is again:

Now it's time for you to tell us how you can resolve/harmonize these 2 seemingly contradictory facts:

1. Jesus cried out the words of Psalm 22:1 " My God, my God, why have You forsaken me,.."
2. (Psa 22:24) For He has not despised nor hated the affliction of the afflicted; and He has not hidden His face from him, but when he cried to Him, He heard.

If you refuse to resolve it one way or another then you will have contradicted God who declares that He is not a God of confusion.

I did answer your question. Read above.

 

[MatthewG]

Is there anything else you would like to tell me, or ask me @synergy? Cause if not I believe it may be time to move on and forward with life itself, my friend.

I replied to your question, and hope it suffices. You will have to just decide for yourself, it is not something that affects salvation, as much as becoming unbelieving in general.

 

[synergy]

I did answer your question. Read above.

So your answer is "Just because God moved out of Jesus, doesn't mean God couldn't listen to his prayers..." which sides with the idea that God hides his face from Christ (something that a fair weather friend does) and contradicts Psalms 22:24. I now know where you stand. Thank you.

 

[MatthewG]

So your answer is "Just because God moved out of Jesus, doesn't mean God couldn't listen to his prayers..." which sides with the idea that God hides his face from Christ (something that a fair weather friend does) and contradicts Psalms 22:24. I now know where you stand. Thank you.

1. (Psa 22:24) For He has not despised nor hated the affliction of the afflicted; and He has not hidden His face from him, but when he cried to Him, He heard.

How so? It would be different if I said “God did not listen to his prayers.” Are you sure you read what I had stated properly? I know sometimes our minds and eyes go way to fast.

Glad to help, young or elder person. You have a good day.

 

[MatthewG]

Man, who knew. Yahavah, in Christ left Jesus on the cross to die. But he never forgot about him, nor forgot his promise and rose him up from the dead.

Yeah, God abandoning his son, seems a little like “how could God ever do such a thing” but who the heck are we to question what God decided to do, by his own measure….

 

[synergy]

1. (Psa 22:24) For He has not despised nor hated the affliction of the afflicted; and He has not hidden His face from him, but when he cried to Him, He heard.

How so? It would be different if I said “God did not listen to his prayers.” Are you sure you read what I had stated properly? I know sometimes our minds and eyes go way to fast.

I explained it already. That's what a "fair weather friend" does. Have you heard that phrase before? When things get tough, and they don't get any tougher than in the Crucifixion, fair weather friends abandon/leave/forsake/hide from others. Is that the understanding you have of our God? Really?

 

[MatthewG]

I explained it already. That's what a "fair weather friend" does. Have you heard that phrase before? When things get tough, and they don't get any tougher than in the Crucifixion, fair weather friends abandon/leave/forsake/hide from others. Is that the understanding you have of our God?

I think you’re distorting what I am writing to you, and your response is incorrect to me. Totally having a misunderstanding now.

 

[MatthewG]

We are talking about God, though @synergy.

Man, who knew. Yahavah, in Christ left Jesus on the cross to die. But he never forgot about him, nor forgot his promise and rose him up from the dead.

Yeah, God abandoning his son, seems a little like “how could God ever do such a thing” but who the heck are we to question what God decided to do, by his own measure….


We aren’t talking about friends. We are talking about God and Gods Word made flesh, named Yeshua/Jesus.

 

[synergy]

We are talking about God, though @synergy.

Man, who knew. Yahavah, in Christ left Jesus on the cross to die. But he never forgot about him, nor forgot his promise and rose him up from the dead.

Yeah, God abandoning his son, seems a little like “how could God ever do such a thing” but who the heck are we to question what God decided to do, by his own measure….


We aren’t talking about friends. We are talking about God and Gods word made flesh.

So you're ok with believing that God acts no better than a "fair weather friend", at least in this case. You're willing to degrade His actions to no better than a 'fair weather friend". Do you seriously want to go down that road?

 

[MatthewG]

So you're ok with believing that God acts no better than a "fair weather friend", at least in this case. You're willing to degrade His actions to no better than a 'fair weather friend". Do you seriously want to go down that road?

I never said anything about fair weather anything. You continue to assume that, is something I think?

I believe Yahavahs actions were right. If a person becomes faithless from a prior position of being faithful, and God takes the Holy Spirit back, out of them…

I believe Yahavahs actions are right. He still continues to call out to those who shut him out even so, @synergy.

I believe Yahavah leaving his Son on the cross to die, was right and true for God to do, Forsake his Son, because God (Christ in Jesus) couldn’t indwell sin.

 

[MatthewG]

@synergy will you answer this question? Do you see God forsaking his Son, as a rightful action? I believe most people would say no! But we ain’t God. His ways and thoughts are not ours.

 

[synergy]

I never said anything about fair weather anything. You continue to assume that, is something I think?

The term "fair weather friend" term encapsulates the actions that you're ascribing/attributing to God.
When things get tough, and they don't get any tougher than in the Crucifixion, fair weather friends abandon/leave/forsake/hide from others. Is that your understanding of how our Gods acts? Really?

 

[MatthewG]

The term "fair weather friend" term encapsulates the actions that you're ascribing/attributing to God.
When things get tough, and they don't get any tougher than in the Crucifixion, fair weather friends abandon/leave/forsake/hide from others. Is that the understanding you have of our God? Really?

Hope you answer my question. You can assume whatever you like and distort what I have already said. I believe God is love, God is good, God is Spirit, Yahavah is a consuming fire. Etc…

@synergy will you answer this question? Do you see God forsaking his Son, as a rightful action? I believe most people would say no! But we ain’t God. His ways and thoughts are not ours.