Did God Create Evil?

[jeremiah1five]

I think we have all heard this one. That evil is the absence of good, along with darkness being the absence of light. This idea matches Genesis 1:31, where God declares everything as “very good.” Evil entered the world through human actions, influenced by deception, not as a direct creation of God.

Evil entered creation when God created man:

5 I am the LORD, and there is none else,
There is no God beside me:
I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west,
That there is none beside me.
I am the LORD, and there is none else.
7 I form the light, and create darkness:
I make peace, and create evil:
I the LORD do all these things.
Isaiah 45:5–7.

Isaiah also said: "There is only ONE God, there is NONE like Him, and He gives His glory to NO ONE."

Adam possessed NONE of God's glory. Thus, he was created "fallen short of the glory of God." This means man possessed NONE of God's glory (Sinlessness is a glory of God.)

Understanding these distinctions helps us grasp the complex issue of evil within God’s creation. It reminds us that evil’s presence doesn’t diminish God’s goodness.

The question of whether God created evil is a deeply complex one. The Bible offers insights into this issue it states that God created the world and all in it as “very good.” This implies evil was not part of His original plan.

The word "good" in the creation narrative has nothing to do with morality. The word merely means "good [enough]" or "to specification." It means God created man according to His (God's) "specification."
We say the same thing. We bake a cake and it comes out "good" or "to specification" (of the recipe.)

Satan’s fall from grace is the first recorded instance of evil. Why did Satan fall from heaven? Satan fell because of pride. He desired to be God, not to be a servant of God. He made a lot of “I will …” statements in Isaiah 14:12–15.

"Satan" (Lucifer) did nothing. Sin was "found" in him. You are adding to the Bible.

Ezekiel 28:12–15 describes Satan as an exceedingly beautiful angel. Satan was likely the highest of all angels, the anointed cherub, the most beautiful of all of God’s creations, but he was not content in his position. Instead, Satan desired to be God, to essentially “kick God off His throne” and take over the rule of the universe.

The word "anointed" means "outstretched." Lucifer "outstretched" (over) the throne of God on the earth. Cherubs guard earthly holy things. Seraphs guard heavenly holy things. Lucifer was in first heaven (air/atmosphere from ground to where outer space begins.) Second heaven is outer space where moon, planets, exist.

Satan wanted to be God, and interestingly enough, that is essentially what Satan tempted Adam and Eve with in the Garden of Eden. How did Satan fall from heaven? Actually, a fall is not an accurate description. It would be far more accurate to say God cast Satan out of heaven. So Satan did not fall from heaven; more like Satan was pushed.

According to James there is only ONE way to be tempted: from within.

14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. James 1:14.

There are not two ways of being tempted. If Lucifer was involved in tempting Jesus then Jesus cannot be out High Priest.

15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Heb 4:15.

According to Peter the angels that sinned were 'locked up' awaiting judgment:

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2 Peter 2:4.

This happened BEFORE God created man.

So my answer is Satan created evil by feeding his pride and getting Adan and Eve to share it.

In the face of evil, God’s love stands out. Christ’s sacrifice exemplifies divine love triumphing over evil. This act of love offers hope and redemption to those who choose it.

See above.

 

[101G]

Adam possessed NONE of God's glory. Thus, he was created "fallen short of the glory of God." This means man possessed NONE of God's glory (Sinlessness is a glory of God.)

did not the LAST Adam have God's Glory? and is not man in Christ Jesus, the Last Adam?

101G.

 

[101G]

The word "good" in the creation narrative has nothing to do with morality. The word merely means "good [enough]" or "to specification." It means God created man according to His (God's) "specification."
We say the same thing. We bake a cake and it comes out "good" or "to specification" (of the recipe.)

if one had inferior ingrediencies, (at the creation) to make and back the cake, ..... is the cake still Good?

101G

 

[101G]

"Satan" (Lucifer) did nothing. Sin was "found" in him. You are adding to the Bible.

How did sin find it's way into "Satan" (Lucifer)?

PS, true, "Satan" (Lucifer), is not SIN, but EVIL. which can cause one to sin. so, why did he LIE then? ...... which is SIN.

101G.

 

[jeremiah1five]

did not the LAST Adam have God's Glory? and is not man in Christ Jesus, the Last Adam?

101G.

Sin comes from man, not woman. By taking the sinful rib from man and creating woman the woman became sinful.

Jesus was not born from man (Joseph.) He was born from woman. Remove the man and Jesus, the man, is not born with a sin nature.

 

[jeremiah1five]

if one had inferior ingrediencies, (at the creation) to make and back the cake, ..... is the cake still Good?

101G

It would be inferior.
But do we have "perfect" ingredients to bake a cake that has no inferiorities?
Nope. By understanding our inferior ingredients the cake we bake will come out to specification of its ingredients.

 

[jeremiah1five]

How did sin find it's way into "Satan" (Lucifer)?

PS, true, "Satan" (Lucifer), is not SIN, but EVIL. which can cause one to sin. so, why did he LIE then? ...... which is SIN.

101G.

Lucifer and all the angels were not created possessing any of God's Deific Attributes or Nature (Sinless, Holy, etc.) There is only ONE God.

Lucifer did not say anything. He thought. And before he acted "sin was found in him and he was cast down."

The word sin in Greek merely means "missing the mark."
What is the "mark" missed?
The glory of God (or the Glory that is God.)

 

[101G]

Sin comes from man, not woman. By taking the sinful rib from man and creating woman the woman became sinful.

Jesus was not born from man (Joseph.) He was born from woman. Remove the man and Jesus, the man, is not born with a sin nature.

2 ERRORS. Sin has nothing to do with any rib/BONE or Adam's or any man. scripture, Romans 7:7 "What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet." Romans 7:8 "But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead." Romans 7:9 "For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died." Romans 7:10 "And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death." Romans 7:11 "For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me." Romans 7:12 "Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good." Romans 7:13 "Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful." Romans 7:14 "For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin." Romans 7:15 "For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I." Romans 7:16 "If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good." Romans 7:17 "Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me." Romans 7:18 "For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not." Romans 7:19 "For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do." Romans 7:20 "Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me." Romans 7:21 "I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me." Romans 7:22 "For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:"

Second Error, "Jesus was not born from man (Joseph.) He was born from woman." Birth has nothing to do with sin either, Listen and Learn, Romans 5:13 "(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law." Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come."

101G.

 

[101G]

It would be inferior.
But do we have "perfect" ingredients to bake a cake that has no inferiorities?
Nope. By understanding our inferior ingredients the cake we bake will come out to specification of its ingredients.

God made man "GOOD" .... for God made MAN in his IMAGE, and he God made all things in his creation as he did all of creation, Good. so was the Making of man GOOD? Yes or no. if you say no then you say God then is evil. and has contaminated his creation with the same, because man "spirit" which comes from God, and the house/temple/Body that he man dwells in is of the earth, which God created, so again 101G asks is the spirt and or the earth contaminated with evil; from God? your answer please.

101G.

 

[101G]

Lucifer and all the angels were not created possessing any of God's Deific Attributes or Nature (Sinless, Holy, etc.) There is only ONE God.

Lucifer did not say anything. He thought. And before he acted "sin was found in him and he was cast down."

The word sin in Greek merely means "missing the mark."
What is the "mark" missed?
The glory of God (or the Glory that is God.)

ANOTHER ERROR, because.... using you example, a cake can have perfect ingredients, but if the oven is not set to the right temperature, and the correct amount of time in the Oven, no matter how good the ingrediencies are the factors involves must be precise. so, your theory want hold.... try again.

but Missing the mark has nothing to do with the ingredients in the cake, only how the ingredients are applied, so again your theory fails.

101G.

 

[Studyman]

I think we have all heard this one. That evil is the absence of good, along with darkness being the absence of light. This idea matches Genesis 1:31, where God declares everything as “very good.” Evil entered the world through human actions, influenced by deception, not as a direct creation of God.

First, it seems very important to consider all of God's Word on the subject, before declaring and understanding of it.

Duet. 30: 15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; *** " "therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Didn't God place Good and Evil before Adam and Eve? Where did the "other Voice" in the Garden come from? "Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made".

Is. 45: 5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Is it not "Very Good" that men have a choice? Isn't that the One thing that separates us from animals? The choice was given when God said, "Thou shall not". This automatically presents a choice, "Shall We" or "Shall we not". We have the capacity to do either.

In my understanding, a free will being must place limitations on itself. Because if they were created with no choice, it wouldn't be free will. God Himself, the Greatest and most powerful Free Will being in existence, in my understanding, places limitation of His Own Free will for the good of those in His Kingdom. He is patient, and compassionate. No one makes Him patient or longsuffering, He places these limitations on Himself for the good of all lives in His Kingdom. In fact, not kingdom would prosper, unless the King placed limitation of his own free will.

Since we are not God, but we are free will beings, God instructs us on the choices which make for the perfect Kingdom. But we "MUST" make them ourselves. We "Must", of our own free will, deny ourselves, humble ourselves, yield ourselves to God, for instruction in righteousness. We are free to do what we want, but must choose to be "learned of the Father", to have eternal life. Imagine eternity with others who refuse to place limitations on them selves. That's what we have in this world right now.

No, we must have a choice to be among the first fruits, just as Jesus "Humbled Himself" i obedience to God, we too are instructed to "Let" this Mind that was in Christ Jesus, be in us also. It isn't forced upon us, it is a choice all men must make.

Gen. 2: 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden "thou mayest freely eat":

They had the capacity to eat what they wanted.

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

But they were instructed to limit themselves, as to what fruit to eat, and what fruit not to eat, based on the instruction from God. And God had placed another voice who promoted a different philosophy, implying that God was lying to them. And they were forced to make a choice between who they would believe.

It is the exact same way for all of us. Evil didn't enter the world through humans. The Liar was already in the garden before Adam and Eve was placed there. The story was Inspired by God to be written, so that free will humans would learn to take heed, "lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so our minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ".

It's not complex at all. If god says not to do something, don't do it. Even if you are surrounded by other voices, "who profess to know God", that tell you it's OK, God was lying, "You shall not surely die".

 

[101G]

First, it seems very important to consider all of God's Word on the subject, before declaring and understanding of it.

Duet. 30: 15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; *** " "therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Didn't God place Good and Evil before Adam and Eve? Where did the "other Voice" in the Garden come from? "Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made".

Is. 45: 5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Is it not "Very Good" that men have a choice? Isn't that the One thing that separates us from animals? The choice was given when God said, "Thou shall not". This automatically presents a choice, "Shall We" or "Shall we not". We have the capacity to do either.

In my understanding, a free will being must place limitations on itself. Because if they were created with no choice, it wouldn't be free will. God Himself, the Greatest and most powerful Free Will being in existence, in my understanding, places limitation of His Own Free will for the good of those in His Kingdom. He is patient, and compassionate. No one makes Him patient or longsuffering, He places these limitations on Himself for the good of all lives in His Kingdom. In fact, not kingdom would prosper, unless the King placed limitation of his own free will.

Since we are not God, but we are free will beings, God instructs us on the choices which make for the perfect Kingdom. But we "MUST" make them ourselves. We "Must", of our own free will, deny ourselves, humble ourselves, yield ourselves to God, for instruction in righteousness. We are free to do what we want, but must choose to be "learned of the Father", to have eternal life. Imagine eternity with others who refuse to place limitations on them selves. That's what we have in this world right now.

No, we must have a choice to be among the first fruits, just as Jesus "Humbled Himself" i obedience to God, we too are instructed to "Let" this Mind that was in Christ Jesus, be in us also. It isn't forced upon us, it is a choice all men must make.

Gen. 2: 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden "thou mayest freely eat":

They had the capacity to eat what they wanted.

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

But they were instructed to limit themselves, as to what fruit to eat, and what fruit not to eat, based on the instruction from God. And God had placed another voice who promoted a different philosophy, implying that God was lying to them. And they were forced to make a choice between who they would believe.

It is the exact same way for all of us. Evil didn't enter the world through humans. The Liar was already in the garden before Adam and Eve was placed there. The story was Inspired by God to be written, so that free will humans would learn to take heed, "lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so our minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ".

It's not complex at all. If god says not to do something, don't do it. Even if you are surrounded by other voices, "who profess to know God", that tell you it's OK, God was lying, "You shall not surely die".

Good reply, a very Good reply. not saying that you're right or wrong, but a question, "if God place limitations on even himself is that total FREEDOM? ...... so., would it not be limitations applied to the result of one's freedom? example, if 101G created/made an airplane to take people from one point on the earth to another", is that not GOOD?" ... yes, because it benefit or advance freedom. but .... just for argument sake, say Studyman modify the same airplane and strap a bomb on it so when it gets over a certain people who Studyman may not like and get along with, and droop the bomb on them from the airplane that was made/created Good......... is that "Good?"

so, 101G ask, is the limitations that should be applied be put on the creation itself, or on the creator, or the result from the creation?

101G

 

[jeremiah1five]

2 ERRORS. Sin has nothing to do with any rib/BONE or Adam's or any man. scripture, Romans 7:7 "What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet." Romans 7:8 "But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead." Romans 7:9 "For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died." Romans 7:10 "And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death." Romans 7:11 "For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me." Romans 7:12 "Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good." Romans 7:13 "Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful." Romans 7:14 "For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin." Romans 7:15 "For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I." Romans 7:16 "If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good." Romans 7:17 "Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me." Romans 7:18 "For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not." Romans 7:19 "For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do." Romans 7:20 "Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me." Romans 7:21 "I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me." Romans 7:22 "For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:"

Second Error, "Jesus was not born from man (Joseph.) He was born from woman." Birth has nothing to do with sin either, Listen and Learn, Romans 5:13 "(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law." Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come."

101G.

Thank you for proving my point.

 

[jeremiah1five]

God made man "GOOD" .... for God made MAN in his IMAGE, and he God made all things in his creation as he did all of creation, Good. so was the Making of man GOOD? Yes or no. if you say no then you say God then is evil. and has contaminated his creation with the same, because man "spirit" which comes from God, and the house/temple/Body that he man dwells in is of the earth, which God created, so again 101G asks is the spirt and or the earth contaminated with evil; from God? your answer please.

101G.

It is the new man who is the image of God, not the carnal man who is from below. The Lord from heaven. He is from above.

24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. Ephesians 4:24.

 

[jeremiah1five]

ANOTHER ERROR, because.... using you example, a cake can have perfect ingredients, but if the oven is not set to the right temperature, and the correct amount of time in the Oven, no matter how good the ingrediencies are the factors involves must be precise. so, your theory want hold.... try again.

but Missing the mark has nothing to do with the ingredients in the cake, only how the ingredients are applied, so again your theory fails.

101G.

There is nothing perfect in this world. You are deceived.