Did God Create Evil?

[jeremiah1five]

specifically indicate what exact thoughts are gentile.

a very specific list of 'gentile' thoughts would help, this way a response is viable.

Currently i do not know what you consider false gentile thoughts since you never stated what the false gentile thoughts are. the exact thoughts (bulleted pointed is okay!) that you see as heretical would help sort this. also note where you derive what the Root is, of the term itself gentile.

further, what is your exact definition of gentile since i only know of eden hebrew souls versus satan souls (evil realm souls of various types ...)

You are a non-Hebrew Gentile. You do not know Hebrew culture, religion, and life of the past. Therefore, when you attempt to read such things, you can only read them with a Gentile mindset absent the nuances and intricacies of Hebrew culture and religion. You cannot be a Jew to Jews because you're not a Jew and you only know free western world Gentile perspectives.
I know nothing of Aborigines and so all my reading of this hidden culture will only be with a Gentile, American mindset. It would be a great disgust for me if I read this people cannibalize people. But to them it is a natural, everyday thing and they are not disgusted but see these acts as normal for this culture.
Ya falla?

 

[101G]

the devil in the garden is a huge topic relating to the evil realm.

the situation of eden is what evil they did to us , His souls.

clarifying first that there is an evil realm and it hates Him and has created a sealed vision.

Eve, Eve, what are you talking about? 101G asked a simple question, now did God create EVIL?

as for any realms evil or nor God created it all...... do you agree? yes or no. warning, keep in mind,
Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.


101G

 

[e v e]

You are a non-Hebrew Gentile. You do not know Hebrew culture, religion, and life of the past. Therefore, when you attempt to read such things, you can only read them with a Gentile mindset absent the nuances and intricacies of Hebrew culture and religion. You cannot be a Jew to Jews because you're not a Jew and you only know free western world Gentile perspectives.
I know nothing of Aborigines and so all my reading of this hidden culture will only be with a Gentile, American mindset. It would be a great disgust for me if I read this people cannibalize people. But to them it is a natural, everyday thing and they are not disgusted but see these acts as normal for this culture.
Ya falla?

actually spain allowed my family to repatriate exactly for being Hebrew. lol.

documentation was required of course.

 

[e v e]

Eve, Eve, what are you talking about? 101G asked a simple question, now did God create EVIL?

as for any realms evil or nor God created it all...... do you agree? yes or no. warning, keep in mind,
Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.


101G

evil is a generality as a term .

context determines the answer .

Nothing God ever did or created is evil....

the quote is from esaus corrupt scroll

 

[e v e]

Eve, Eve, what are you talking about? 101G asked a simple question, now did God create EVIL?

as for any realms evil or nor God created it all...... do you agree? yes or no. warning, keep in mind,
Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.


101G

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What God (IEUE) says and does is not separate from His Nature...

ALL God does and says is good.

All His creation was Good and He said so.

Then came the fall, not His fault nor doing
nor his fault was the evil adam did to
cause us all to be here on this earth
not made by God, in this body not by God
for all these centuries separated from
eden -- His land for us -- and from Him..

Everything He does is to get His souls Home
(soon hopefully!!)
and everything He does is good.

Every evil is mystery babylon...

 

[e v e]

^^^ historically hot topic in theology. search divine command theory and, to compare, its detractors. cheers.

 

[101G]

evil is a generality as a term .

context determines the answer .

Nothing God ever did or created is evil....

the quote is from esaus corrupt scroll

well then what is the none esaus term for EVIL?

101G.

 

[101G]

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What God (IEUE) says and does is not separate from His Nature...

ALL God does and says is good.

All His creation was Good and He said so.

Then came the fall, not His fault nor doing
nor his fault was the evil adam did to
cause us all to be here on this earth
not made by God, in this body not by God
for all these centuries separated from
eden -- His land for us -- and from Him..

Everything He does is to get His souls Home
(soon hopefully!!)
and everything He does is good.

Every evil is mystery babylon...

Creation have nothing to do with character or characteristics. as a matter of fact, mystery Babylon is the characteristics of evil in, in, in, this creation.

but 101G will wait on your definition of "EVIL".
101G

 

[e v e]

Creation have nothing to do with character or characteristics. as a matter of fact, mystery Babylon is the characteristics of evil in, in, in, this creation.

but 101G will wait on your definition of "EVIL".
101G

I disagree. His creation's character had everything to do with His Nature, until Eden fell to the enemy who then made it ugly by ITS type of nature. God did not create or command evil. And since it was not God, then it is be expected that this earth and cosmos has evil characteristics.

You just made the point for me that God did not create the current earth.

 

[e v e]

Creation have nothing to do with character or characteristics. as a matter of fact, mystery Babylon is the characteristics of evil in, in, in, this creation.

but 101G will wait on your definition of "EVIL".
101G

mystery babylon is a vampiring usurper and everything it stole will be returned to God and His eden in the other reality. This place, per prophets, will be fit for rats and moles.

 

[101G]

I disagree. His creation's character had everything to do with His Nature, until Eden fell to the enemy who then made it ugly by ITS type of nature. God did not create or command evil. And since it was not God, then it is be expected that this earth and cosmos has evil characteristics.

You just made the point for me that God did not create the current earth.

no, you just made the point by saying, "God made everything Good", and now, "His creation's character had everything to do with His Nature, until Eden fell to the enemy who then made it ugly".

so, 101G's question, "HOW DID THE ENEMY GET INTO THE GARDEN?". ARE YOU SAYING GOD IS NOT OMIN PRESENT AND ALL KNOWING? IF SO, HOW DID THE ENEMY GET INTO THE GARDEN, AND WHERE DID THE ENEMY COME FROM, ... to get into the garden, BECAUSE GOD MADE EVERYTHING, so where did the enemy come from?. your answer please.

101G.

 

[101G]

mystery babylon is a vampiring usurper and everything it stole will be returned to God and His eden in the other reality. This place, per prophets, will be fit for rats and moles.

so where did Babylon the ... "vampire" come from? did not God created all things?

101G.

 

[Milo Flores]

I think we have all heard this one. That evil is the absence of good, along with darkness being the absence of light. This idea matches Genesis 1:31, where God declares everything as “very good.” Evil entered the world through human actions, influenced by deception, not as a direct creation of God.

Understanding these distinctions helps us grasp the complex issue of evil within God’s creation. It reminds us that evil’s presence doesn’t diminish God’s goodness.

The question of whether God created evil is a deeply complex one. The Bible offers insights into this issue it states that God created the world and all in it as “very good.” This implies evil was not part of His original plan.

Satan’s fall from grace is the first recorded instance of evil. Why did Satan fall from heaven? Satan fell because of pride. He desired to be God, not to be a servant of God. He made a lot of “I will …” statements in Isaiah 14:12–15.

Ezekiel 28:12–15 describes Satan as an exceedingly beautiful angel. Satan was likely the highest of all angels, the anointed cherub, the most beautiful of all of God’s creations, but he was not content in his position. Instead, Satan desired to be God, to essentially “kick God off His throne” and take over the rule of the universe.

Satan wanted to be God, and interestingly enough, that is essentially what Satan tempted Adam and Eve with in the Garden of Eden. How did Satan fall from heaven? Actually, a fall is not an accurate description. It would be far more accurate to say God cast Satan out of heaven. So Satan did not fall from heaven; more like Satan was pushed.

So my answer is Satan created evil by feeding his pride and getting Adan and Eve to share it.

In the face of evil, God’s love stands out. Christ’s sacrifice exemplifies divine love triumphing over evil. This act of love offers hope and redemption to those who choose it.

1) What is “evil” according to the Bible and sound philosophy​

• It is not a “thing” created, but a privation (privatio boni): the absence or distortion of a good that should be there. God’s creation is “very good” (Gen 1:31). Evil arises when a created will turns away from the Good.
• Therefore, God is not the author of moral evil nor does He tempt anyone (Jas 1:13).
• Helpful distinction:
  
  • Moral evil = sin (an act of a created will).
  • Physical evil = pain, disaster, “calamity.” God can govern calamities as judgment or discipline without being the author of sin (Is 45:7; Am 3:6).

Note on Is 45:7: the Hebrew ra‘ here means “calamity/disaster,” not “moral wickedness.” The verse contrasts light/darkness and peace/calamity.

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2) Did Satan “create evil”?​

• Saying “Satan created evil” is not precise. To create (bara’ in Hebrew) is an act proper to God. Creatures do not create; they corrupt or pervert what is good.
• The correct way: Satan “has been sinning from the beginning” among creatures (1 Jn 3:8; Jn 8:44). He originated sin in the angelic order through pride, then tempted humankind (Gen 3).
• Thus, the first “principle” of evil in creation is a created will that, instead of adhering to God, turned inward on itself (pride). Evil is a defect, not a new substance.

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3) Do Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 speak of Satan?​

• Responsible reading: historically they speak of the king of Babylon (Is 14:4) and the king of Tyre (Ez 28:12).
• Theological reading: the Church has seen in their pride, beauty, and downfall an archetype of angelic rebellion (a typological/analogical sense). This is legitimate as long as we don’t lose the primary context.

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4) “Fall” or “casting out” of Satan​

• Scripture uses both images:
  
  • “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven” (Lk 10:18).
  • “He was cast out… he was hurled down” (Rev 12:9).
• Saying Satan “didn’t fall, but was pushed” is rhetorical emphasis. Biblically, he both falls and is cast out—both signify judgment and defeat.

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5) Where does evil “come from”?​

• Evil has no positive efficient cause (it is not a “thing”).
• It has a deficient cause: a created will that deprives itself of its proper order (Aquinas, STh I, q.49).
• God permits evil (without causing it) and sovereignly orders it toward a greater good (Gen 50:20; Rom 8:28), culminating in the Cross (Acts 2:23; Col 2:15).

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6) Adam, Eve, and human responsibility​

• Sin entered the human world “through one man” (Rom 5:12). The serpent tempted, but Adam and Eve consented (Gen 3).
• Satan did not “create” evil in us; he entices. The guilt of human sin is ours (Jas 1:14–15).

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7) Christ and kenosis against pride​

• If the principle of creaturely evil is pride (“I will be like the Most High,” Is 14:14), the principle of salvation is kenosis:
  
  • “Though he was in the form of God… he emptied himself (ἐκένωσεν), taking the form of a servant… he humbled himself… to the point of death on a cross” (Phil 2:6–8).
• The humility of the Son disarms the creature’s pride. On the Cross, God does not cause evil, He suffers it and conquers it: “He disarmed the rulers and authorities… triumphing over them” (Col 2:15; Heb 2:14–15).

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8) Direct reply to the claims in the text​

• Correct: evil was not in God’s original design (Gen 1:31).
• Correct: evil entered through the free actions of creatures under deception.
• Needs precision: “Satan created evil” → No; he originated sin among creatures through pride and temptation. Evil is not a substance, but privation.
• Correct: Christ’s work manifests God’s love and defeats evil (Rom 5:8; Jn 16:33).

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9) Concise conclusion​

• God did not create moral evil; creatures produce it when they turn from the Good.
• Satan did not “create” evil, but originated sin among creatures by pride and temptation.
• Christ, through His kenosis and His Cross, defeats sin and the one who introduced it, opening the way to final restoration where evil will be eradicated (Rev 20:10; 21:4).

 

[TedT]

so where did Babylon the ... "vampire" come from? did not God created all things?

GOD did not create evil nor evil persons in sin. All evil was created by the free will of HIS creation when they rebelled against HIS goodness.

 

[TedT]

“He was cast out… he was hurled down” (Rev 12:9).

The imagery of this word flung contains some violence. I wonder why Satan also flung down some angels, Rev 12:4, in the same violent manner. These people must have been sinners or he would have no power over them but why would he fling them away just before his great battle against YHWH's holy angels? Obviously they would not fight for him...

I suggest that these fallen angels seduced by Satan but of no use to him in his war against GOD are the believing angels, chosen to be HIS elect, who rebelled against HIS call for the damnation of the demonic reprobate as unloving, not believing that their damnation was necessary.

They are the believers who are never condemned for their sins while the reprobate are condemned already, John 3:18. Both groups of were flung into the earth as the prison for sinners until the last sinful elect could be sanctified and made heaven ready.

 

[101G]

GOD did not create evil nor evil persons in sin. All evil was created by the free will of HIS creation when they rebelled against HIS goodness.

Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
see, you get sin and evil mixed up. understand the devil is not SIN, but EVUIL, which when listen to can cause one to sin. but Evil is in God use or economy. listen up, 2 Chronicles 18:18 "Again he said, Therefore hear the word of the LORD; I saw the LORD sitting upon his throne, and all the host of heaven standing on his right hand and on his left." 2 Chronicles 18:19 "And the LORD said, Who shall entice Ahab king of Israel, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one spake saying after this manner, and another saying after that manner." 2 Chronicles 18:20 "Then there came out a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will entice him. And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith?" 2 Chronicles 18:21 "And he said, I will go out, and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And the LORD said, Thou shalt entice him, and thou shalt also prevail: go out, and do even so." 2 Chronicles 18:22 "Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil against thee."

and did not God send evil angels into Egypt to destroy? Psalms 78:43 "How he had wrought his signs in Egypt, and his wonders in the field of Zoan:" Psalms 78:44 "And had turned their rivers into blood; and their floods, that they could not drink." Psalms 78:45 "He sent divers sorts of flies among them, which devoured them; and frogs, which destroyed them." Psalms 78:46 "He gave also their increase unto the caterpiller, and their labour unto the locust." Psalms 78:47 "He destroyed their vines with hail, and their sycomore trees with frost." Psalms 78:48 "He gave up their cattle also to the hail, and their flocks to hot thunderbolts." Psalms 78:49 "He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them."

and God sent an evil spirit to David also... just read.

see, evil is not sin, but a means.

101G.

 

[TedT]

Sin entered the human world “through one man” (Rom 5:12)

Ok, but this cannot be by their creation as sinners, already fallen and liable to the wages of sin, death.

Since our being conceived in Adam and born into mankind AS SINNERS is in accord with HIS plan for us, this cannot be our creation as GOD creates no evil, sin nor fallenness. Death proves sinfulness and infants die in the womb so their conception cannot have been their creation which Matt 13:36-39 supports.

 

[Milo Flores]

Yes, sin and death entered through the first Adam, but through Christ —the second Adam— righteousness and life are given (Rom 5:18–19; 1 Cor 15:45). Our sinful condition comes from Adam, not from God’s creative act.


This is part of the Father’s plan: that in Christ there would be a new creation, a reconstruction of all things (Acts 3:21). That is why Christ can say: “Here am I, and the children God has given me” (Heb 2:13). In Him, a new humanity is brought into being —holy, reconciled, and destined for the fullness of God’s Kingdom.

 

[Milo Flores]

Yes, sin and death entered through the first Adam, but through Christ —the second Adam— righteousness and life are given (Rom 5:18–19; 1 Cor 15:45). Our sinful condition comes from Adam, not from God’s creative act.


This is part of the Father’s plan: that in Christ there would be a new creation, a reconstruction of all things (Acts 3:21). That is why Christ can say: “Here am I, and the children God has given me” (Heb 2:13). In Him, a new humanity is brought into being —holy, reconciled, and destined for the fullness of God’s Kingdom.

I want to share my understanding —not as a dogma, but as a reflection. I always try not to go beyond what is written, and I respect the mystery of God.


I believe God never loses control. Sin and death entered through the first Adam, but through Christ —the second Adam— righteousness and life are given (Rom 5:18–19; 1 Cor 15:45). Our sinful condition comes from Adam, not from God’s creative act. God does not create evil.


Yet, in His sovereignty, God makes room for genuine freedom. I see this as a form of kenosis: He restrains Himself, even in His foreknowledge, so that our choices are real. This is not weakness but love. Christ Himself is “the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world” (Rev 13:8; 1 Pet 1:20). Redemption was always prepared, but history, choice, and love are not illusions.


To me it is like a chess master with infinite ELO. No matter what move humans make, trying to surprise Him, He always has the perfect response. He can “improvise” without ever losing control. In that way, His sovereignty and our liberty both stand true.


So I don’t claim to hold the final word. This is simply how I understand it: God’s self-restraint, His kenosis, gives us real freedom —and yet ensures that the final victory in Christ is certain.

 

[alexjennier]

Acts, intentions, or forces that are morally or spiritually corrupt, wicked, or harmful, and are in opposition to principles of goodness and righteousness. As a theological concept, evil refers to the presence or manifestation of moral or spiritual corruption, wickedness, or malevolence in opposition to God’s will and the principles of goodness, righteousness, and holiness as revealed in Scripture and Christian tradition.

Moral evil is not something God created when he made other things. It is not a substance at all. God created substances, including the world and the people in it. God intended that we could act, for he made us able to act. But he neither made our actions nor does he perform them. So, we cannot say that God intended there to be moral evil because we have it in our world. God intended to create and did create agents who can act; he did not make our acts "good or evil".