Did God Create Evil?

[e v e]

Correct, Evil is not "Sin". nor is Evil an imprisonment. just as the devil is not sin, but EVIL. let's see some good example, Psalms 78:42 "They remembered not his hand, nor the day when he delivered them from the enemy." Psalms 78:43 "How he had wrought his signs in Egypt, and his wonders in the field of Zoan:" Psalms 78:44 "And had turned their rivers into blood; and their floods, that they could not drink." Psalms 78:45 "He sent divers sorts of flies among them, which devoured them; and frogs, which destroyed them." Psalms 78:46 "He gave also their increase unto the caterpiller, and their labour unto the locust." Psalms 78:47 "He destroyed their vines with hail, and their sycomore trees with frost." Psalms 78:48 "He gave up their cattle also to the hail, and their flocks to hot thunderbolts." Psalms 78:49 "He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among."

God sent those EVIL Angels into Egypt. so, is God evil? no. Good is just the opposite of evil, to a means. both are in the economy of God to used as he see fit.

another example, lying is a sin, correct. for God hats sin... right. scripture, Proverbs 6:16 "These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:" Proverbs 6:17 "A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood," Proverbs 6:18 "An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief," Proverbs 6:19 "A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren."

a lying tongue, Psalms 101:7 "He that worketh deceit shall not dwell within my house: he that telleth lies shall not tarry in my sight." well then, why was God having a conversation with the devil in the book of Job? see, the devil is the father of lies, but he is not SIN, but evil. and if one liusten to him without all knowledge and power, he could cause ... YOU ... to sin.

101G.

please see my replies, just above here, to @TedT ... Sorry I did not reply I was slightly under the weather this week.
God did not send evil angels, as you can see in those replies... However, when God does some things, we might perceive what is Good as evil since we are in the fallen reality at the moment and here everything is backwards. So evil depends on who is carrying out an action, not an 'idea' we call 'evil' in itself as an abstraction. Everything God does is Good. Absolutely Good, not just relative to 'whatever' satan does.

 

[e v e]

I personally cannot wait for the sun to go dark. It means mystery-babylon went down.

 

[e v e]

The word "good" in the creation narrative means "good [enough]" or "to specification."
In other words, God is declaring the 'thing' He's creating is to His specification, according to the way He desired it to be.
The word has nothing to do with "perfection" except in the sense that the thing created is according to His specification, perfect as He desired it. There is no sense of morals or morality to this word. It is moral-exclusive.

what about that all His things have His type of nature, his signature, it doesn't mean every thing He creates, though perfect of its type would therefore be Him... but are imbued with His nature... whereas this current nature of cyclones, hurricanes, excessive seaons, death, illness, age, is evil, as it shows a fallen corrupt situation, visibly. The medievals did grapple with this saying excuses like, oh well, He created the 'best possible' pathetic anselm. That is ridiculous... He is God and His will, nothing else, determines what He creates.

Though I do think here we have a very sad idea of nature, since nature here kills, has no love etc...
and Good for me would imply He made it... and therefore no evil could come from His nature. (as in the nature around
us as it was in Eden, when we His souls, though of us sons and daughters who were there, before the fall.)

 

[Aeliana]

I think we have all heard this one. That evil is the absence of good, along with darkness being the absence of light. This idea matches Genesis 1:31, where God declares everything as “very good.” Evil entered the world through human actions, influenced by deception, not as a direct creation of God.

Understanding these distinctions helps us grasp the complex issue of evil within God’s creation. It reminds us that evil’s presence doesn’t diminish God’s goodness.

The question of whether God created evil is a deeply complex one. The Bible offers insights into this issue it states that God created the world and all in it as “very good.” This implies evil was not part of His original plan.

Satan’s fall from grace is the first recorded instance of evil. Why did Satan fall from heaven? Satan fell because of pride. He desired to be God, not to be a servant of God. He made a lot of “I will …” statements in Isaiah 14:12–15.

Ezekiel 28:12–15 describes Satan as an exceedingly beautiful angel. Satan was likely the highest of all angels, the anointed cherub, the most beautiful of all of God’s creations, but he was not content in his position. Instead, Satan desired to be God, to essentially “kick God off His throne” and take over the rule of the universe.

Satan wanted to be God, and interestingly enough, that is essentially what Satan tempted Adam and Eve with in the Garden of Eden. How did Satan fall from heaven? Actually, a fall is not an accurate description. It would be far more accurate to say God cast Satan out of heaven. So Satan did not fall from heaven; more like Satan was pushed.

So my answer is Satan created evil by feeding his pride and getting Adan and Eve to share it.

In the face of evil, God’s love stands out. Christ’s sacrifice exemplifies divine love triumphing over evil. This act of love offers hope and redemption to those who choose it.

Yes I agree, evil is the absence of good.

 

[jeremiah1five]

what about that all His things have His type of nature, his signature, it doesn't mean every thing He creates, though perfect of its type would therefore be Him... but are imbued with His nature... whereas this current nature of cyclones, hurricanes, excessive seaons, death, illness, age, is evil, as it shows a fallen corrupt situation, visibly. The medievals did grapple with this saying excuses like, oh well, He created the 'best possible' pathetic anselm. That is ridiculous... He is God and His will, nothing else, determines what He creates.

Though I do think here we have a very sad idea of nature, since nature here kills, has no love etc...
and Good for me would imply He made it... and therefore no evil could come from His nature. (as in the nature around
us as it was in Eden, when we His souls, though of us sons and daughters who were there, before the fall.)

Believe Scripture and leave all those false Gentile thoughts outside the door.

 

[e v e]

Yes I agree, evil is the absence of good.

evil is not the absence of Good...

yes, the pagan greeks believed that, since they were talking about their type of goods, not God's Good, and Augustine, a pagan himself in sheep's clothing, said that too. The greeks also thought of the Good in absolute terms, but the absence of it being related to matter and space and lessening amounts of 'good.' That was their pagan contruct, which the vatican glued to christianity sadly and augustine upheld.

 

[e v e]

Believe Scripture and leave all those false Gentile thoughts outside the door.

I only care for eden hebrew souls.
Only reference to any other was God's promise,
because of Jeremiah being freed from the well.
So we do have some very few cush ones.

take care.

 

[e v e]

almost every christian today is part of jacob, eden souls.
A very tiny remnant are out of Jacob going to rapture.

 

[e v e]

jacob will undergo tribulation but
will go home to eden paradise after their physical death.
the 144k sons and daughters, together with christ, will visit jacob
during tribulation, as the two witnesses, male and female.

 

[101G]

God did not send evil angels, as you can see in those replies... However, when God does some things, we might perceive what is Good as evil since we are in the fallen reality at the moment and here everything is backwards. So evil depends on who is carrying out an action, not an 'idea' we call 'evil' in itself as an abstraction. Everything God does is Good. Absolutely Good, not just relative to 'whatever' satan does.

GINOLJC, to all,
so then are you saying ... the mission that an angel is on can be good or evil? (to a point 101G could agree), but, was the devil mission in the garden, AND AFTERWARD, "EVIL?" let 101G know what your answer be.

101G.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I only care for eden hebrew souls.
Only reference to any other was God's promise,
because of Jeremiah being freed from the well.
So we do have some very few cush ones.

take care.

I can recognize mainline Gentile theology because I was under its influence, but your theology is right out there in left field that it leaves me scratching my head.
Good luck.

 

[e v e]

GINOLJC, to all,
so then are you saying ... the mission that an angel is on can be good or evil? (to a point 101G could agree), but, was the devil mission in the garden, AND AFTERWARD, "EVIL?" let 101G know what your answer be.

101G.

the devil was evil by its very nature.

 

[e v e]

I can recognize mainline Gentile theology because I was under its influence, but your theology is right out there in left field that it leaves me scratching my head.
Good luck.

ok take care then.

 

[101G]

the devil was evil by its very nature.

well then, was not God Satan .... CREATOR?.... Hmmmmm... Isaiah was correct, Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

101G.

 

[TedT]

the devil was evil by its very nature.

The gnostics believed there were two eternal, non-created, divine beings, one holy, one evil. This fits an evil by nature.

Christians tend to believe in one holy GOD, one creator who cannot and never will create evil so therefore the devil as a created being was created innocent who self created himself as an eternally evil being by his free will.

The only other alternative I can see is that the eternally evil creature was created by God with an evil nature, a non-Christian concept...

 

[e v e]

Believe Scripture and leave all those false Gentile thoughts outside the door.

specifically indicate what exact thoughts are gentile.

a very specific list of 'gentile' thoughts would help, this way a response is viable.

Currently i do not know what you consider false gentile thoughts since you never stated what the false gentile thoughts are. the exact thoughts (bulleted pointed is okay!) that you see as heretical would help sort this. also note where you derive what the Root is, of the term itself gentile.

further, what is your exact definition of gentile since i only know of eden hebrew souls versus satan souls (evil realm souls of various types ...)

 

[e v e]

The gnostics believed there were two eternal, non-created, divine beings, one holy, one evil. This fits an evil by nature.

Christians tend to believe in one holy GOD, one creator who cannot and never will create evil so therefore the devil as a created being was created innocent who self created himself as an eternally evil being by his free will.

The only other alternative I can see is that the eternally evil creature was created by God with an evil nature, a non-Christian concept...

first of all there's a lot of confusion about gnosticism which I believe has been confusion created intentionally.

I personally am not gnostic... after being accused of that i studied it to find out! and read its texts and saw where it is simply a mimic, a lie?", and not only that, a devious one, and if interested I could explain why!.... though it is devious Not probably for reasons you or anyone else imagine.

however I understand because I have read extensively most all medieval text that there is some sort of a concept that gnostics had a positive type of God opposed to a negative type of God. This is really a lie they believed. Like all humans they were tricked.

The truth is simpler... but hard to explain. i will try to, in a post soon.

Augustine followed that concept of two opposed "equal" forces for many years btw... and only accepted catholicism because his bishops overlaid Augustine's own cherished greek theology onto christianity, making christianity acceptable to him... where for him greek theology provided the intellectual blueprint. Truly horrid.

 

[e v e]

Nothing the vatican said is true.

Not its sacraments

not its councils and the results thereof,

not its approved by Augustine list of what books are inspired etc.

 

[e v e]

GINOLJC, to all,
so then are you saying ... the mission that an angel is on can be good or evil? (to a point 101G could agree), but, was the devil mission in the garden, AND AFTERWARD, "EVIL?" let 101G know what your answer be.

101G.

the devil in the garden is a huge topic relating to the evil realm.

the situation of eden is what evil they did to us , His souls.

clarifying first that there is an evil realm and it hates Him and has created a sealed vision.

 

[e v e]

all you need to do is observe centuries of vatican inquisition and torture and now the evangelical continuation of that....

ponder.

none of it connected to God.