Wrangler
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So, not even a dictionary. Gotcha!
I suppose you are confessing the Eisegesis Greek influence on interpreting Jewish sacred text.
Making words mean whatever you want is still no support for the trinity.
Did God ( Christ ) die ?
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I suppose you are confessing the Eisegesis Greek influence on interpreting Jewish sacred text.
Making words mean whatever you want is still no support for the trinity.
civic
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It was from the academic source for philosophy. Did you see the link ?
I also provided in a follow up post for the 3 types of death in scripture.
Wrangler
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The question is what dictionary are you relying on to claim what you so about death. Truth is, you are ignoring what the dictionary and Scripture says on the subject.
2 Cor 1:13 (VOICE) We are not writing to you in anything resembling codes or riddles
And so you cancel the word of God in order to hand down your own tradition. And this is only one example among many others.”
Mark 7:13 NLT
civic
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Then by your standards of secular dictionaries you must accept their definition of monotheism as well which included trinitarianism. You cannot have your cake and eat it too as the saying goes.
Dictionaries accept the trinity as fact. So why don't you ?
Wrangler
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Your claim is invalid. let’s see about that. From https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/monotheism
the belief that there is only one God
Notice how it does not say anything about a 3-in-1 God?
Again, I agree with the dictionary, not trinitarians twisting 1 = 3. Trinitarians are MINO’s - monotheists in name only.
civic
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Nice try but no cigarYour claim is invalid. let’s see about that. From https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/monotheism
the belief that there is only one God
Notice how it does not say anything about a 3-in-1 God?
Again, I agree with the dictionary, not trinitarians twisting 1 = 3. Trinitarians are MINO’s - monotheists in name only.
Monotheism vs. Polytheism: What's The Difference?
Restore faith in your word and religious knowledge by learning the specific difference between "monotheism" or "polytheism," and how to apply the terms accurately.
www.dictionary.com
Examples of monotheism and polytheism
Judaism and Islam are both well-known examples of monotheism. Many Christians believe in the three-part deity known as the Trinity, but Christian belief generally interprets this as one God, and Christianity is widely considered a monotheistic religion.
I rest my case.
Diserner
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12 And we the spirit of the world did not receive, but the Spirit that is of God, that we may know the things conferred by God on us,
13 which things also we speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Holy Spirit, with spiritual things spiritual things comparing,
14 and the natural man doth not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for to him they are foolishness, and he is not able to know them, because spiritually they are discerned;
15 and he who is spiritual, doth discern indeed all things, and he himself is by no one discerned;
16 for who did know the mind of the Lord that he shall instruct Him? and we -- we have the mind of Christ. (1 Cor. 2:12-16 YLT)
13 which things also we speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Holy Spirit, with spiritual things spiritual things comparing,
14 and the natural man doth not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for to him they are foolishness, and he is not able to know them, because spiritually they are discerned;
15 and he who is spiritual, doth discern indeed all things, and he himself is by no one discerned;
16 for who did know the mind of the Lord that he shall instruct Him? and we -- we have the mind of Christ. (1 Cor. 2:12-16 YLT)
GeneZ
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Jesus was not simply God in human form.
Jesus was God in union with a real human!
Jesus' humanity had a mind of his own!
And He went a little beyond them, and fell on His face and prayed, saying,
“My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as You will.” Matthew 26:39
If you find that perplexing? I agree.
GeneZ
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Your claim is invalid. let’s see about that. From https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/monotheism
the belief that there is only one God
Notice how it does not say anything about a 3-in-1 God?
Again, I agree with the dictionary, not trinitarians twisting 1 = 3. Trinitarians are MINO’s - monotheists in name only.
The Trinity is monotheism.
The Father is the Only God.
The Son is the same Only God being expressed in human terms.
The Holy Spirit is the same Only God being revealed in angelic expression.
There is only One God!
The Son consists of two natures.
The Holy Spirit consists of two natures.
All three reveal the One and the Same God in "different" languages, so to speak.
Its not for the simple minded.
Diserner
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But Jesus himself didn't?
GeneZ
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Please read...
And He went a little beyond them, and fell on His face and prayed, saying,
“My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as You will.” Matthew 26:39
Jesus out of love was by choice in constant submission to the Father.
He would have nothing to submit with if he had no mind of his own.
...yet not as I will, but as You will.”
.......
Diserner
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I don't think Jesus a was separate human attached to the Divine Son.
I think Jesus WAS the Divine Son.
GeneZ
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Don't confuse his temporary state of being as to qualify to die as man in our place, with how he was before needing to do so, and after he returned to heaven to resume being as God.
He is not "attached." He is fully immersed.
He is fully baptized into God. God grants him complete full access to anything and everything a human can possibly know about God.
In that manner, God takes what is normally unknowable about Himself to men.. And, interprets God to us in "Human think."
No one has ever seen God. The One and Only Son—the One who is at the Father’s side— He has revealed Him.
[He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen; He has interpreted Him and He has made Him known].
John 1:18
Diserner
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Or the point someone wants to run away just does not want to face a truth, lol.
A comment can be based in a claim that is not based in grace, that is just a fact.
Nothing was "imputed" on top of the plain meaning in a derogatory way.
GeneZ
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But... it was God who sovereignly had him say that!
That means? God uses Ad-hominems
civic
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lol thanks for the laugh
atpollard
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Matthew 12:33-37 [KJV]
Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by [his] fruit. O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by [his] fruit. O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
civic
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GeneZ
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I wondered that, too.
atpollard
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By quoting my post and triggering a notification, y’all dragged me back insisting on a comment:
So I offered a comment on ad-hominem and blasphemy:
Please direct both towards someone else.
So I offered a comment on ad-hominem and blasphemy:
Please direct both towards someone else.
