Did God ( Christ ) die ?

[GeneZ]

By quoting my post and triggering a notification, y’all dragged me back insisting on a comment:






So I offered a comment on ad-hominem and blasphemy:


Please direct both towards someone else.

Jesus called like it is....

If they had forum rules back then?

The Pharisees would have been screaming at Jesus ..... AD-HOMINEM!

There is a time to call it like it is.

 

[atpollard]

Jesus called like it is....

If they had forum rules back then?

The Pharisees would have been screaming at Jesus ..... AD-HOMINEM!

There is a time to call it like it is.

Since you are incapable of avoiding personal attacks or complying with a simple request to just leave me alone ... welcome to the Wonderful World of [IGNORE].

 

[civic]

Ad-hominem … the official signal that a conversation is over.

Shalom.

ditto that was my line on the old carm forums lol.

 

[sethproton]

No. And no. Scripture tells us God raised Jesus from the dead. Romans 10:9.

This means Jesus died in every meaning of the word. It also means God remained alive during the time that Jesus was dead.

consider that there is a spiritul place of eternal existence. Peoplr who die on earth go there and continue to exist and thing and feel emotion.
So Yes Christ our God died physically, but in that other realm He lives.

 

[sethproton]

consider that there is a spiritul place of eternal existence. Peoplr who die on earth go there and continue to exist and think and feel emotion and have some sort of sensory experience
So Yes Christ our God died physically, but in that other realm He lives.

 

[Aeliana]

@dizerner @armylngst

Did God die when Jesus died on the cross? The answer depends on how we understand the meaning of the word die. To die does not mean to go out of existence. Death is separation. Physical death is when the soul-spirit separates from the physical body. So, in that sense, yes, God died, because Jesus was God in human form, and Jesus’ soul-spirit separated from His body (John 19:30). However, if by “death” we mean “a cessation of existence,” then, no, God did not die. For God to “die” in that sense would mean that He ceased to exist, and neither the Father nor the Son nor the Holy Spirit will ever cease to exist. The Son, the second Person of the Trinity, left the body He temporarily inhabited on Earth, but His divine nature did not die, nor could it.

Jesus is truly God and truly man. His physical body did die; His heart stopped beating, and “he gave up his spirit” (Matthew 27:50). Just as our physical bodies will someday die, so did His. But as Jesus died physically, He remained alive spiritually. Jesus made good on His promise to the believing thief on the cross—He and the thief both went to paradise, not physically, but in spirit (Luke 23:43).

So, Jesus died physically on the cross, as was plain for all to see (John 19:34). But there is also the matter of spiritual death. When Jesus was hanging on the cross, He experienced death on our behalf. Even though He is God, He still had to suffer the agony of a temporary separation from the Father due to the sin He bore. After three hours of supernatural darkness, Jesus cried, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” (Mark 15:34). So, could it be said that Jesus also “died” spiritually? Again, it was only His human nature that was separated from God, not His divine nature. God did not “die.”

The question for all people to ask is “what will happen to my soul/spirit when it leaves my physical body?” This is the most crucial question in life. As we saw with Jesus, our spirits will leave our bodies and travel on to somewhere else. We will either follow Him to heaven to spend eternity with Him, or we will go to hell to spend eternity in “outer darkness” where there will be “weeping and gnashing of teeth” (Matthew 8:12). There is no other option. Jesus’ death on the cross paid the way for all who would ever believe in Him so that we can know for sure where our spirits will reside for eternity. His death provided us spiritual life, both here and in heaven. “And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you” (Romans 8:11). got ?

hope this helps !!!

So yes he died physically on the cross but not spiritually.

 

[Diserner]

So yes he died physically on the cross but not spiritually.

I'd have to strongly disagree.

The wages of sin is DEATH.

It does not say "one kind of death."

It does not say "physical death only."

Anything described by death—including the second death—is sin's wage.

 

[civic]

So yes he died physically on the cross but not spiritually.

Ditto

 

[GeneZ]

Ditto

So? When Jesus declared?...

IT IS FINISHED!

His declaration took place before physical death!
The Greek does not say... IT IS ABOUT TO BE FINISHED.

Does it bother you that the Word of God does not agree with your wishful way of thinking?

Its should...

Later, knowing that everything had now been finished, and so that Scripture would be fulfilled,
Jesus said, “I am thirsty.” A jar of wine vinegar was there, so they soaked a sponge in it, put the
sponge on a stalk of the hyssop plant, and lifted it to Jesus’ lips. When he had received the drink,
Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit." John 19:28-30​

Jesus knew that he no longer needed to remain physically alive because the sins of the world were paid for. “It is finished.”

So now? How have you and your small sect rationalized John 19:28-30?
How was salvation completed (it is finished) while he was yet physically alive?

 

[civic]

So? When Jesus declared?...

IT IS FINISHED!

His declaration took place before physical death!
The Greek does not say... IT IS ABOUT TO BE FINISHED.

Does it bother you that the Word of God does not agree with your wishful way of thinking?

Its should...

Later, knowing that everything had now been finished, and so that Scripture would be fulfilled,
Jesus said, “I am thirsty.” A jar of wine vinegar was there, so they soaked a sponge in it, put the
sponge on a stalk of the hyssop plant, and lifted it to Jesus’ lips. When he had received the drink,
Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit." John 19:28-30​

Jesus knew that he no longer needed to remain physically alive because the sins of the world were paid for. “It is finished.”

So now? How have you and your small sect rationalized John 19:28-30?
How was salvation completed (it is finished) while he was yet physically alive?

You don’t understand the meaning of death

 

[GeneZ]

You don’t understand the meaning of death

What I showed you was a simple thing to see.

You inability/unwillingness/ to give an answer has been noted.

And.. You do not know what I do understand.

How could you? You can not deal with the simple facts I showed you.

 

[Diserner]

You don’t understand the meaning of death

You don't understand the meaning of:

"IT IS FINISHED."

Or even:

"THE LAW BRINGS WRATH."

 

[civic]

What I showed you was a simple thing to see.

You inability/unwillingness/ to give an answer has been noted.

And.. You do not know what I do understand.

How could you? You can not deal with the simple facts I showed you.

Just your presuppositions is what I read.

 

[civic]

You don't understand the meaning of:

"IT IS FINISHED."

Or even:

"THE LAW BRINGS WRATH."

 

[Diserner]

Deserves a repost:

Again, it was only His human nature that was separated from God, not His divine nature. God did not “die.”

There is no Bible verse that says this. Notice there were no quotations from the Bible, just an unproven assertion based on human reasoning.


Jesus said:

"Behold, I was dead."

Jesus is God.

That's an equation, where if you believe both propositions, there is no way around the conclusion.


Jesus did not say:

"I was a little dead somewhere."

"Part of me was dead."

"My external associated non-personal human nature died."

Jesus said "I."

The same "I" in "I am the Light of the World," and "I am the First in the Last."

"I was dead."

That's straight Bible.

It takes human philosophy to make it say the opposite of what it says.


Now think of it this way:

If all God meant by "You shall surely die," is physical death, then we don't need Jesus to die for us.

Why?

Because we all physically die.

And then, when we physically die, we have paid the price of sin, and now we merit heaven afterwards, having paid sin's price.

No more Jesus necessary!

"I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain." (Gal. 2:21 NKJ)

Now explain to me what "Christ died in vain" even means?

It means we have removed the purpose of Christ dying.


And why is there in Scripture a "second death"?

Did God say to Adam and Eve, "In the day you eat of it, you will die twice?"

What is the purpose of even having a second death?

That death is described as real death—the end result of sin—the wrath of God, experiencing God negatively.

Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. (Rev. 20:14 NKJ)

"Shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death." (Rev. 21:8 NKJ)


Now I ask you this, straightforwardly and honestly:

Did Jesus somehow evade the second death when he died for us?

Did Jesus only die the first death, and that's it, nothing more?!

 

[GeneZ]

You don't understand the meaning of:

"IT IS FINISHED."

Or even:

"THE LAW BRINGS WRATH."

Its like watching Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles going wallpaper shopping...

 

[GeneZ]

You are getting to the point where you are soon becoming not worth trying to reason with....

I used to think it was an act. Trying to stir up more posts by getting reactions.

Now I am not so sure about that...

 

[Diserner]

Trying to stir up more posts by getting reactions.

24 And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil,

25 correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, (2 Tim. 2:24-25 ESV)

 

[GeneZ]

25 correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, (2 Tim. 2:24-25 ESV)

Its gentleness that has allowed some to keep pushing like they do. Gentleness is good for those who are sincerely seeking correction if they be found to be wrong. Not for those who play sly like the kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar making excuse and diverting away.

Paul revealed another side of dealing with this problem when gentleness is not the answer. Gentleness that only feeds the problem like judges letting criminals back in the street who do not repent after being shown socially induced kindness....

We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, ​

and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ." 2 Corinthians 10:5​

Those conditioned to always be gentle nice type Christians are not equipped for such a task... Actually, they do not understand it when they see it done. They sometimes get in the way, and as a result and give shelter to those doing evil in the name of doing good.

 

[GeneZ]

Just your presuppositions is what I read.

Back in the 90's I had contact with a woman professor who was teaching her students a course on how to attack held belief systems.
I inquired about it. She never got around to show me an actual example of how its done... It was an organized system of dismantling and then not allowing for reason to prevail ...
Kind of like what you do when you are shown how the Word contradicts what you claim the truth is.

I also knew someone who dabbled in witchcraft. He said they have their ways in presenting themselves in one way, and not be that way at all.

That's why I stick to what the Word says..... As it says it.
Not leading someone into a conclusion by making an emotional appeal.

And, then there are always those who like getting their way who use a form of mental Wite Out. Acting as if you did not say something when a point was made. Then acting ever so reasonable while setting up a diversion as a wall of denial, intending to make what was said to be quickly forgotten.