civic
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Amen !
Did God ( Christ ) die ?
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Frank Russell
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The more mature someone becomes in Christ is in character with love, stoicism is another religion.
civic
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ditto
Says who? Stoicism is an ancient Greek philosophy that existed way before Christianity was birthed.
Although Stoics talked about such things as wisdom, courage, temperance or moderation, and justice, they basically espoused self control. Self control coupled with ideologies make for a very bad combination. Revolutions are the byproduct of such a combination.
Ancient Greece had many philosophies. So they all seem to balance each other out.
101G
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stoicism: the endurance of pain or hardship without the display of feelings and without complaint.
and yes, Christ ...... THE PERSON, note the PERSON, was before any ancient Greek philosophy. and at Antioch many was first called Christian, but the WAY was here before then...... (Smile). so, re-load and try again.
101G.
Before the advent of Christianity, Greeks relied on a balance of philosophies in preparation for the dawn of Christianity. For example, they had developed a rudimentary Logos understanding before the True Logos appeared on Earth. That set the stage for the spread of Christianity amongst Gentiles. A brilliant achievement by Greeks.
Frank Russell
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Philippians Chapter 4
4 Rejoice in the Lord always. Again I will say, rejoice!
5 Let your gentleness be known to all men. The Lord is at hand.
6 Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; 7 and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
8 Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy—meditate on these things. 9 The things which you learned and received and heard and saw in me, these do, and the God of peace will be with you.
Stoicism = the endurance of pain or hardship without the display of feelings and without complaint.
Christianity = Praying instead of reflex anxiety, experiencing a peace you cannot understand.
Stoicism sounds like one of those things you go for if you haven't had the spiritual transformation. (born again)
And if you could realise Christ is unique and stop imposing your own understanding of what God can and cannot do, you might learn something.
You can't discern between a soul (this is what God created in Gen.1:27, two souls, male and female) and when that soul is breathed into a body to become a living soul (Gen.2:7 a soul alive in space and time as distinct from a soul that is separate from time and space like we become after our bodies die). When you can see that, then maybe you can understand how the Soul of God can be uniquely begotten in eternity in union with Himself to be the unique person of the Trinity we know as the Son of God. The only perfect soul who is in union with God and I might add a unique union for we are in union with Christ at the present but in the Resurrection we will come out from Him to be revealed as to what we became in this life but you can never take the Soul of God out of the Son. He is forever the person of God and man.
To become as a man, ( or a living soul as the Bible likes to put it), Christ needed a body but the person of the Lord Jesus (the unique person of Deity and Soul in union) was always existing. It is this union of God and man that makes His person distinct from the Father and Spirit.
His soul is fully human because it is from our soul our humanity is derived, not our bodies. Another thing you need to understand.
So take your fingers out of your ears, uncover your eyes and close your mouth and maybe you will see the light.
civic
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100% pure speculation above void of scripture. Colossians 2:8 comes to mind immediately.And if you could realise Christ is unique and stop imposing your own understanding of what God can and cannot do, you might learn something.
His soul is fully human because it is from our soul our humanity is derived, not our bodies. Another thing you need to understand.
So take your fingers out of your ears, uncover your eyes and close your mouth and maybe you will see the light.
Hmmm I wonder why God brought that scripture to my mind immediately while reading your post . I just love how the Holy Spirit works
hope this helps. !!!
You still do not understand that the Word of God did limit/humble himself to being a mere human.
Why is that important to us? That's because only by being 100% human (in addition to being 100% Divine) can Jesus save us. If He’s not truly human, then He can’t mediate for us, and He can’t die for us either. Also, if Jesus is not truly human then he can’t be the last Adam, sent to succeed where the first Adam failed. And so on. But thankfully, Jesus is truly God and truly man.
A soul was not breathed into Adam's body. God's breath of life was breathed into Adam's body and only then did Adam become a living soul.
(Gen 2:7) And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Which Bible version are you reading? The ASE (Apollinarian Standard Edition)?
Your attempt to redefine the standard definition that all souls have a definition creation point and have not always existed is denied.
Adam became a living soul only after God breathed life into his body. That is true for everyone at conception and that is true for Christ at his Incarnation.
I responded directly to your assertions so my ears and eyes are uncovered.So take your fingers out of your ears, uncover your eyes and close your mouth and maybe you will see the light.
When will you start reading what the Bible actually says and stop violating standard definitions?
civic
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All we can do is pray for the Lord to open the heart, mind, soul to understand the truth .
I do understand. What you don't understand is He could do that because His humanity (soul) already existed being in union with Deity.
Human life (soul) was breathed into Adam. What sort of life do you think we have if it is not human? You think God breathed air into Adam? Sheesh! Do you think anything through?
Wrong. Tell me one Bible version that says that and it cannot be the ASE (Apollinarian Standard Edition).
Now you're being silly.
Who is God's Breath of Life other than the Holy Spirit? Why couldn't the Holy Spirit transform Adam into a living soul? Why would you limit God to just breathing air?
Frank Russell
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Actually, the word for soul that was breathed into adam is used for the animal souls too.
Johann
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The Meaning of the Hebrew Word Nephesh
As we notice the other uses of nephesh, the picture becomes a little clearer. In the Bible, nephesh is also translated into English as: living being, life, creature, mind, desires, heart, appetite, persons.
What does that tell us? We get the sense that nephesh is the inner, living being of a man. And it speaks of the very essence of a person. This understanding comes into focus when we examine Deuteronomy 6:5, the first and chief commandment given to the children of Israel:
You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul (nephesh) and with all your might.
The New Testament reiterates this commandment:
Love the Lord your God with every passion of your heart, with all the energy of your being, and with every thought that is within you. (Matthew 23:27, TPT)
This is a love that takes over everything! It is a love expressed with “the whole of the affections of the heart, with great fervency and ardour of spirit, in the sincerity of the soul, and with all the strength of grace a man has, with such love that is as strong as death.” (Exposition of the Entire Bible by John Gill)
Nephesh that Brings Revelation
In Psalm 19, David wrote: “How clearly the sky reveals God’s glory… no speech or words are used, no sound is heard; Yet their message goes out to all the world and is heard to the ends of the earth”.
Have you ever considered that, just like the sky, your life should send this same message to the world? Your life—your words and your actions—are actually supposed to reveal God to the people around you!
This means we should love God with all our life and for all our life. And when we do – when we love God with all of who we are and with everything we’ve got – we bear witness to others!
It means to love Him in everything we do, in every word we speak, in every minute of every day. As pastor Craig Groeschel said, “God doesn’t exist to serve us. We exist to serve Him.”
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The Soul of a Living Being
Nefesh also reveals the immeasurable value and significance God places on human life – on all human life. He cherishes every single life; young and old, married and single, male and female, Jew and gentile, from every nation. God values our souls so highly He purchased us with His Son Jesus.
“No one can redeem the life of another or give to God a ransom for them [the ransom for a nephesh is costly, no payment is ever enough] so that they should live on forever and not see decay…” (Psalm 49: 7-8)
“But God will redeem my soul (nephesh) from the power of the grave; for He shall receive me.”(Psalm 49: 15)
These verses speak to the substance and worth of human life. As believers, the value we place on life should reflect the high esteem God has for life. The way we interact with, speak to and relate to one another (and treat ourselves) should be in light of our understanding of nephesh.
The Meaning of Nephesh: Hebrew Word that Grips the Soul
English Bibles translate nephesh to soul, living being, life, creature, heart and more. What does that tell us about this Hebrew word?
