Did God ( Christ ) die ?

[Frank Russell]

Everyone of us has a Judas inside us when the pressure is on, only the grace of God can carry us.

In the end it's all speculation, either assertion cannot be tested.

 

[Diserner]

In the end it's all speculation, either assertion cannot be tested.

No, it's not "speculation."

We have the Word of God.

You're so used to speculating with ridiculous things outside the Bible you don't even understand some of us respect it.

The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; (Jer. 17:9 NKJ)

 

[Frank Russell]

No, it's not "speculation."

We have the Word of God.

You're so used to speculating with ridiculous things outside the Bible you don't even understand some of us respect it.

The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; (Jer. 17:9 NKJ)

Indeed, we have the bible. Here is what Jesus had to say about it:

Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.” (John 18:36)

In the scripture, there is basis for both points. However, unless we go back in time and test it out, we can never know. Thus Speculation.

 

[GeneZ]

It's possible ALL here would be first in line to betray him.

And they were exceedingly sorrowful, and each of them began to say to Him, "Lord, is it I?" (Matt. 26:22 NKJ)

But that would not apply to those who do not have a sin nature...

 

[GeneZ]

Indeed, we have the bible. Here is what Jesus had to say about it:

Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.” (John 18:36)

In the scripture, there is basis for both points. However, unless we go back in time and test it out, we can never know. Thus Speculation.

His servants were angels ... in case you did not know. Not his human followers.

Jesus knew that his disciples were useless at that point in their lives...

“You will all fall away,” Jesus told them, “for it is written:
“’I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered.’" Mark 14:27​

 

[Frank Russell]

His servants were angels ... in case you did not know. Not his human followers.

Jesus knew that his disciples were useless at that point in their lives...

“You will all fall away,” Jesus told them, “for it is written:
“’I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered.’" Mark 14:27​

Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels? (Matthew 26:53)

Apparently those servants can only be called on demand and do not act on their own.

 

[synergy]

So you don't have eternal life? Can I tell you about the Gospel of Jesus Christ then?

Deny all you like. Christ (in His humanity) has always had eternal life. He did not receive eternal life at a point in time like we have.

Once again it is your inability to comprehend that His humanity is joined in one person with Deity. He is eternal. His Deity is fully God and His humanity is fully human. He is eternal because he is God. He could die for us because He is human. He did not start being human at a point in time. He took on flesh, a body you prepared for me. His humanity already existed in the one person of the Lord Jesus Christ. He did not change being the person He always was by becoming something He wasn't before.

You still can't name one human who has always existed since eternity past like you claim Christ's humanity did. I'll give you another chance to stop embarraassing yourself.

Also, any attempt to redefine what constitutes humanity will continue to be denied.

 

[synergy]

I am going to write a science fiction book... about these three guys who had themselves convinced collectively they were a genius.

It will be called... "The First Human Trinity."

You even admit that what you write above is part of a science fiction book.

You have a fertile fictional imagination, that's for sure.

Sorry, you set yourself up for embarrassment so easily.

 

[civic]

You even admit that what you write above is part of a science fiction book.

You have a fertile fictional imagination, that's for sure.

Sorry, you set yourself up for embarrassment so easily.

Oops

 

[GeneZ]

You still can't name one human who has always existed since eternity past like you claim Christ's humanity did. I'll give you another chance to stop embarraassing yourself.

Also, any attempt to redefine what constitutes humanity will continue to be denied.

Is a Christian who's body has died?

Who's soul is awaiting the Resurrection?

Is that soul humanity?

If not?

What is that soul classified as while he/she waits?

 

[GeneZ]

You even admit that what you write above is part of a science fiction book.

You have a fertile fictional imagination, that's for sure.

Sorry, you set yourself up for embarrassment so easily.

I am not the one who will be embarrassed.

Study and be eager and do your utmost to present yourself to God approved (tested by trial), ​

a workman who has no cause to be ashamed, correctly analyzing and accurately dividing ​

[rightly handling and skillfully teaching] the Word of Truth." 2 Timothy 2:15 Amplified trans​

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I have seen it before....

 

[synergy]

Is a Christian who's body has died?

Who's soul is awaiting the Resurrection?

Is that soul humanity?

If not?

What is that soul classified as while he/she waits?

You also cannot name one human who has always existed since eternity past like Sawdust claims Christ's humanity did.

Mormons believe in the preexistance of spirits. Are you a Mormon?

 

[GeneZ]

You also cannot name one human who has always existed since eternity past like Sawdust claims Christ's humanity did.

Mormons believe in the preexistance of spirits. Are you a Mormon?

What do have? Edited for personal insulting another member

You can not answer my question.

Try again?


Is a Christian who's body has died?

Who's soul is awaiting the Resurrection?

Is that soul humanity?

If not?

What is that soul classified as while he/she waits?

 

[Diserner]

So, in summary:

Yes, Christ who is God died.

- end -

 

[synergy]

What do have? Edited for personal insulting another member

You can not answer my question.

Try again?


Is a Christian who's body has died?

Who's soul is awaiting the Resurrection?

Is that soul humanity?

If not?

What is that soul classified as while he/she waits?

The topic is eternal humanity both eternal past and eternal future that Sawdust is claiming. I asked him for one human like that and all I hear is crickets. You instead of answering my question instead resorted to rabbit holes questions, which is your standard practice. Answer my question first and I'll be more than happy to answer yours.

 

[GeneZ]

You also cannot name one human who has always existed since eternity past like Sawdust claims Christ's humanity did.

Read your Bible in these places?

'You will eat the old supply and clear out the old because of the new. Moreover,
I will make My dwelling among you, and my soul will not reject you.' I will also
walk among you and be your God, and you shall be My people." Lev 26:10-12​

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And they began to remove the foreign gods from their midst and to serve Jehovah,
so that his soul became impatient because of the trouble of Israel. Judges 10:16​

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Jehovah himself examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one, and anyone
loving violence his soul certainly hates." Ps 11:5​

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“Bring no more futile sacrifices; Incense is an abomination to Me. The New Moons,
the Sabbaths, and the calling of assemblies— I cannot endure iniquity and the sacred
meeting. Your New Moons and your appointed feasts my soul hates; They are a
trouble to Me, I am weary of bearing them.. Isa 1:13-14​

So? Do you believe the Bible is the Word of God?

I don't think so,....

Jesus was in the OT the pre-incarnate Lord God of Israel!

grace and peace ...................

 

[synergy]

Read your Bible in these places?

'You will eat the old supply and clear out the old because of the new. Moreover, ​

I will make My dwelling among you, and my soul will not reject you.' I will also ​

walk among you and be your God, and you shall be My people." Lev 26:10-12​

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And they began to remove the foreign gods from their midst and to serve Jehovah, ​

so that his soul became impatient because of the trouble of Israel. Judges 10:16​

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Jehovah himself examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one, and anyone ​

loving violence his soul certainly hates." Ps 11:5​

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“Bring no more futile sacrifices; Incense is an abomination to Me. The New Moons, ​

the Sabbaths, and the calling of assemblies— I cannot endure iniquity and the sacred ​

meeting. Your New Moons and your appointed feasts my soul hates; They are a ​

trouble to Me, I am weary of bearing them.. Isa 1:13-14​

So? Do you believe the Bible is the Word of God?

I don't think so,....

Jesus was in the OT the pre-incarnate Lord God of Israel!

grace and peace ...................

I didn't say to tell me one Divine-Human, I asked for a simple human, like you or me. Do you know of anyone who is eternal both past and future?

Besides, the verses you quoted are Anthropomorphisms.

 

[GeneZ]

The topic is eternal humanity both eternal past and eternal future that Sawdust is claiming. I asked him for one human like that and all I hear is crickets. You instead of answering my question instead resorted to rabbit holes questions, which is your standard practice. Answer my question first and I'll be more than happy to answer yours.

And, to cover the topic normally we need to define terms that we can agree on.


Try again? Edit by administrator Please stop provoking arguments.

Be a man and give a straight answer!


Is a Christian who's body has died?

Who's soul is awaiting the Resurrection?

Is that soul humanity?

If not?

What is that soul classified as while he/she waits?

 

[synergy]

And, to cover the topic normally we need to define terms that we can agree on.

Be a man and give a straight answer!

"Be a man" by you running away from answering my questions? Is that what being a man means to you?

 

[GeneZ]

"Be a man" by you running away from answering my questions? Is that what being a man means to you?

Stop it. It becomes like a form of insanity when you accuse another of the very thing you are doing.