Did God ( Christ ) die ?

[Frank Russell]

The Meaning of the Hebrew Word Nephesh
As we notice the other uses of nephesh, the picture becomes a little clearer. In the Bible, nephesh is also translated into English as: living being, life, creature, mind, desires, heart, appetite, persons.

What does that tell us? We get the sense that nephesh is the inner, living being of a man. And it speaks of the very essence of a person. This understanding comes into focus when we examine Deuteronomy 6:5, the first and chief commandment given to the children of Israel:

You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul (nephesh) and with all your might.

The New Testament reiterates this commandment:

Love the Lord your God with every passion of your heart, with all the energy of your being, and with every thought that is within you. (Matthew 23:27, TPT)

This is a love that takes over everything! It is a love expressed with “the whole of the affections of the heart, with great fervency and ardour of spirit, in the sincerity of the soul, and with all the strength of grace a man has, with such love that is as strong as death.” (Exposition of the Entire Bible by John Gill)

Nephesh that Brings Revelation
In Psalm 19, David wrote: “How clearly the sky reveals God’s glory… no speech or words are used, no sound is heard; Yet their message goes out to all the world and is heard to the ends of the earth”.

Have you ever considered that, just like the sky, your life should send this same message to the world? Your life—your words and your actions—are actually supposed to reveal God to the people around you!

This means we should love God with all our life and for all our life. And when we do – when we love God with all of who we are and with everything we’ve got – we bear witness to others!

It means to love Him in everything we do, in every word we speak, in every minute of every day. As pastor Craig Groeschel said, “God doesn’t exist to serve us. We exist to serve Him.”

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The Soul of a Living Being
Nefesh also reveals the immeasurable value and significance God places on human life – on all human life. He cherishes every single life; young and old, married and single, male and female, Jew and gentile, from every nation. God values our souls so highly He purchased us with His Son Jesus.

“No one can redeem the life of another or give to God a ransom for them [the ransom for a nephesh is costly, no payment is ever enough] so that they should live on forever and not see decay…” (Psalm 49: 7-8)

“But God will redeem my soul (nephesh) from the power of the grave; for He shall receive me.”(Psalm 49: 15)

These verses speak to the substance and worth of human life. As believers, the value we place on life should reflect the high esteem God has for life. The way we interact with, speak to and relate to one another (and treat ourselves) should be in light of our understanding of nephesh.

The Meaning of Nephesh: Hebrew Word that Grips the Soul

English Bibles translate nephesh to soul, living being, life, creature, heart and more. What does that tell us about this Hebrew word?

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For what happens to the sons of men also happens to animals; one thing befalls them: as one dies, so dies the other. Surely, they all have one breath; (not Nephesh, but Ruwach) man has no advantage over animals, for all is vanity. (Ecclesiastes 3:19)

Apparently, same breath of life in both humans and animals.

 

[armylngst]

Sorry, I didn't mean to confuse anyone. I know that death and hades being thrown in the lake of fire is the last thing that happens regarding this earth.

All you said is true. I'll just add two more things. I'll just print the scriptures:

1 John 3:

5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin.

8 For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

This is correct. For the believer in Christ, there life is wound up in Him. Death no longer has administration over them. However, for the non-believer, death has full administration over them until death is finally defeated/destroyed at the end.

 

[sawdust]

Wrong. Tell me one Bible version that says that and it cannot be the ASE (Apollinarian Standard Edition).

Now you're being silly.

Who is God's Breath of Life other than the Holy Spirit? Why couldn't the Holy Spirit transform Adam into a living soul? Why would you limit God to just breathing air?

Because the Holy Spirit wasn't given to indwell anyone until Pentecost.

I already gave you the verses, several times in fact. It is actually in the plural "breath of lives", so no, that does not describe the Holy Spirit.

What lives do you think Adam was made up of? He only had spiritual, human and physical life.

 

[sawdust]

Thanks.

For what happens to the sons of men also happens to animals; one thing befalls them: as one dies, so dies the other. Surely, they all have one breath; (not Nephesh, but Ruwach) man has no advantage over animals, for all is vanity. (Ecclesiastes 3:19)

Apparently, same breath of life in both humans and animals.

Yes but the breath in man (soul) is made in the image of God. That is not so for animals. Ruach can literally mean breath as in the air in your lungs. The Ecc. verse you quote is referring to physical death as animals don't have a spiritual life so it is literal breath.

 

[Frank Russell]

Yes but the breath in man (soul) is made in the image of God. That is not so for animals. Ruach can literally mean breath as in the air in your lungs. The Ecc. verse you quote is referring to physical death as animals don't have a spiritual life so it is literal breath.

I don't see an issue with your phraseology, since the soul inside either was breathed inside the human, and the animal had a nephesh too.

I think it's just a matter of personal preference in interpreting the same data.

 

[civic]

I don't see an issue with your phraseology, since the soul inside either was breathed inside the human, and the animal had a nephesh too.

I think it's just a matter of personal preference in interpreting the same data.

He and @GeneZ teach Jesus had a human soul before the Incarnation. Only the Son in the Trinity ( before creation ) has a soul and the Father and Holy Spirit do not have a soul. It’s a disunity not a Tri- Unity, Trinity

 

[synergy]

Because the Holy Spirit wasn't given to indwell anyone until Pentecost.

Who said that Gen 2:7 was a Pentecostal event? Not me. I said that the Holy Spirit was breathed on Adam and that transformed him into a living soul. I'm not talking about Pentecost here. In fact there are many non-Pentecost occasions where the Holy Spirit was breathed on people. See John 20:22.

(John 20:22) And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.

I already gave you the verses, several times in fact.

I asked for one Bible version that says what you say about Gen 2:7 and you came up empty handed again. I'm not surprised at all.

It is actually in the plural "breath of lives", so no, that does not describe the Holy Spirit.

What lives do you think Adam was made up of? He only had spiritual, human and physical life.

Where do you see "breath of lives" in Gen 2:7? Again, which Bible version are you using?

(Gen 2:7) And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

 

[sawdust]

He and @GeneZ teach Jesus had a human soul before the Incarnation. Only the Son in the Trinity ( before creation ) has a soul and the Father and Holy Spirit do not have a soul. It’s a disunity not a Tri- Unity, Trinity

But He can be fully human after the Incarnation and not mess up the Trinity.

 

[sawdust]

Who said that Gen 2:7 was a Pentecostal event? Not me. I said that the Holy Spirit was breathed on Adam and that transformed him into a living soul. I'm not talking about Pentecost here. In fact there are many non-Pentecost occasions where the Holy Spirit was breathed on people. See John 20:22.

(John 20:22) And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.

I asked for one Bible version that says what you say about Gen 2:7 and you came up empty handed again. I'm not surprised at all.

Where do you see "breath of lives" in Gen 2:7? Again, which Bible version are you using?

(Gen 2:7) And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

God breathed into Adam not on. Go look at the Hebrew if you want to see it says "breath of lives".

 

[sawdust]

I don't see an issue with your phraseology, since the soul inside either was breathed inside the human, and the animal had a nephesh too.

I think it's just a matter of personal preference in interpreting the same data.

The interpretation of scripture is never a matter of personal preference. Different Hebrew words are used when speaking of man's creation. Our interpretation might be wrong but God's truth is specific. It's a matter of continuing to study, relying on His Spirit to be enlightened.

 

[civic]

But He can be fully human after the Incarnation and not mess up the Trinity.

Absolutely since He is a Divine Person

 

[sawdust]

Absolutely since He is a Divine Person

Strewth!

 

[synergy]

God breathed into Adam not on.

No problem with that. Adam was not born with a sin nature nor did he have an occasion to sin so the Holy Spirit could freely commune with Adam. Once Adam sinned then the Cross was necessary to break the sin barrier between God and man. And only then could Pentecost happen.

Go look at the Hebrew if you want to see it says "breath of lives".

Even so, that takes away nothing from the Holy Spirit being the breath of lives.

 

[sawdust]

No problem with that. Adam was not born with a sin nature nor did he have an occasion to sin so the Holy Spirit could freely commune with Adam. Once Adam sinned then the Cross was necessary to break the sin barrier between God and man. And only then could Pentecost happen.

Even so, that takes away nothing from the Holy Spirit being the breath of lives.

Has nothing to do with relationships. It is about how Adam was made.

Go do a word search. You will soon see the breath of lives cannot be the Holy Spirit not unless you want to try and tell us he dwells in rabbits and bears and horses etc. You an Animist? You sound like it.

 

[synergy]

Has nothing to do with relationships. It is about how Adam was made.

Who said I was talking about relationships? Those are ontological facts I presented. The sin barrier is ontological.

Go do a word search. You will soon see the breath of lives cannot be the Holy Spirit not unless you want to try and tell us he dwells in rabbits and bears and horses etc. You an Animist? You sound like it.

Sorry to rain on your parade but I looked up Gen 2:7 in the Septuagint (LXX) and "life" (ζωῆς) is singular. It is a genative singular feminine noun. If you want to present a case from the Masoretic Text then by all means do so. Don't expect others to do that work for you.

Gen 2:7 καὶ ἔπλασεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν ἄνθρωπον χοῦν ἀπὸ τῆς γῆς καὶ ἐνεφύσησεν εἰς τὸ πρόσωπον αὐτοῦ πνοὴν ζωῆς, καὶ ἐγένετο ὁ ἄνθρωπος εἰς ψυχὴν ζῶσαν.

Conclusion: Your Apollinarian erroneous view of Christ has no support whatsoever either in the NT or in the OT.

 

[Frank Russell]

The interpretation of scripture is never a matter of personal preference. Different Hebrew words are used when speaking of man's creation. Our interpretation might be wrong but God's truth is specific. It's a matter of continuing to study, relying on His Spirit to be enlightened.

When people read words in human languages, the carnal brain is activated, this activation results in theology being a matter of personal preference. God's Truth remains God's truth.

 

[Frank Russell]

He and @GeneZ teach Jesus had a human soul before the Incarnation. Only the Son in the Trinity ( before creation ) has a soul and the Father and Holy Spirit do not have a soul. It’s a disunity not a Tri- Unity, Trinity

Apparently, understanding that God is a trinity took at least a century for the church to figure out. So if someone takes a decade or two being clueless about it, it's not a big deal.

I rely on applying a spiritual application of the trinity in daily life, this is because it has been revealed to me. If it matters to God that they know it, He will make it clear to them.

 

[sawdust]

Who said I was talking about relationships?

You did.

Adam was not born with a sin nature nor did he have an occasion to sin so the Holy Spirit could freely commune with Adam.

Taken from this site: https://biblehub.com/text/genesis/2-7.htm

hay-yim - noun masculine plural.

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חַיִּ֑ים ḥay-yîm;

of life

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[synergy]

You did.

Taken from this site: https://biblehub.com/text/genesis/2-7.htm

hay-yim - noun masculine plural.

2416 [e]

חַיִּ֑ים ḥay-yîm;

of life

N-mp

Plural or not, "breath of life" still does not even indicate a "soul" as you first claimed.

Therefore, your Apollinarian erroneous view of Christ has no support whatsoever either in the MT or the LXX or in any language Hebrew, Greek, or English.

 

[sawdust]

Plural or not, "breath of life" still does not even indicate a "soul" as you first claimed.

Therefore, your Apollinarian erroneous view of Christ has no support whatsoever either in the MT or the LXX or in any language Hebrew, Greek, or English.

And it most definitely doesn't indicate the Holy Spirit but I'm sure you will stick with your story.

One has to ask, what life did Adam have? If it was not the Holy Spirit's life in Adam and it was not eternal life, I wonder? Could it have been human (soul) life he had that caused him to become a living soul? Perish the thought I guess.

And my views are not Apollinarian, that is simply your inability to comprehend what I have been saying.