civic
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well you have the Son having something the Father and Holy Spirit do not have. That by definition is not the Trinity. And this is before anything was created.
Did God ( Christ ) die ?
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At it's core? Consciousness. It's function? To make aware. But that will not help you understand God.define the soul and its function.
So you think the Father and Spirit are also Deity and humanity in one person?
GeneZ
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There you go labelling when you have nothing substantive to offer.
What you just did explains NOTHING. And, offers NOTHING.
civic
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we are talking before creation, before humanity
GeneZ
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According to Civic, who only can offer broad stroked, unexplained rebuffs.
civic
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I can write a book on it and if all my threads on the topic were combined it could be a book and the Trinitaian pastors I know would endorse it like they do with my paper on PSA. We have a few pastors on this forum who are in agreement with me. You are the one with the non trinitarian beliefs, not me.
hope this helps !!!
You are talking that way. As far as I am concerned there is no "before humanity". He has always been the same person, Deity and humanity united in one person. There is the time when He became as a man only, taking on flesh and veiling His Deity, but He has always been the same person and always will be.
civic
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That is not trinitarian. There was no human prior to creation. The Son was fully God until the Incarnation 2000 years ago when He became human with a human soul.
So much for being made in His image then. <shrug>
Reminds me of a visual joke we had in the building industry. What the architect imagined, what the engineer designed and what the builder made were all different from one another. You had to see the pictures to fully appreciate it.
GeneZ
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His Soul had to be there before Creation.
Because.. all things created were created through Him... And, for Him.
For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible,
whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through
him and for him." Col 1:16
Since all things created originated through God and Soul in union?
All things that have been created through His soul in the process?
We as souls?
Can relate to!
All creation is a soul's world....
GeneZ
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This thread is not closing any time soon.
Well then...
You can continue it when the others get raptured.
To be human means that you began to exist from a certain point in time.
Your statement "God the Son has always been ... humanity..." means that there was no starting point to His humanity.
Here's another case where you make Christ's humanity different than our own. Why is that a problem? That's because if Jesus is not human in every way that we are then we are not saved.
civic
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Yes he has humans being eternal and not created
GeneZ
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I have actually met someone who could not admit he was wrong.
It baffled me when I saw it and made me wonder what was wrong...
The man's wife later needed to apologize for her husband, and told me what his problem was.
So, don't take it personally.
We just might be dealing with that kind of mind set.
It exists....
GeneZ
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The both spew out contradictions that they expect everyone to adopt. This is wild!
I refuse to adopt contradictions that you expect everyone to adopt without question. You might have assiciates that accept contradictions. I don't accept contradictions. Sorry.
civic
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Oxymoron a human that has not created and is eternal and only one of the Trinity having a soul. Yikes
