GeneZ
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Of course it does...Pre existing uncreated humans - this sounds like the sci-fi channel
I bet heaven sounds like science fiction to you too.
Did God ( Christ ) die ?
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I bet heaven sounds like science fiction to you too.
Not me. What topic about covens would you like to discuss?
civic
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I never invited any here but maybe you know some in your neck of the woods.
Keep on brewing up more sci-fi episodes and you just might have a Netflix sci-fi hit series in the end.
GeneZ
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Not about covens in general...
But to dialogue with someone who is in a coven.
Seen them in Bible college and met some on the outside.
Thought it might lead to an interesting discussion.
Would not want to go to one of their forums, because I believe they will tend to gang up and mock when that happens
when you tell them you are a Christian.
You'd be surprised how some of them are quite knowledgeable of the Bible itself.
grace and peace ..................
GeneZ
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GeneZ
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Not looking for it.
Those who come from a Christian background know the talk....
I have had contact with a very few like that.
But that's beside the point... it was just a suggestion.
If you are a human being and nothing more. He is a divine person. You said so yourself.
That's right.
Huh? He is God. He is eternal. You think His humanity must be created like ours to be the same? Humanity is humanity no matter how you slice it.
Since when are human beings God?
Obadiah
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I never knew or even suspected
Thank you for confirming that you recognize the massive difference between our humanity and the "humanity" that you ascribe to Christ.
Now why do I point this out? That's because only by being 100% human, in addition to being 100% Divine, can Jesus save us. If He’s not truly human, then He can’t mediate for us, and He can’t die for us either. Also, if Jesus is not truly human then he can’t be the last Adam, sent to succeed where the first Adam failed. And so on. But thankfully, Jesus is truly God and truly man.
GeneZ
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I stumbled upon it a few times in the past... I was not looking.
It just got exposed, and at the time I just kept quiet.
Obadiah
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Thanks for the heads up on
GeneZ
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Now back to the subject.....
The humanity of Christ.
It seems some here believe He always remained functioning as God and never limited himself to functioning
on the level of power and ability of being only as a man.
If that were so? Why even be benefited by receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit?
Why have the Holy Spirit in that case? Does God need God if He is already functioning as God?
No, but a soul as a man needs such help in God's plan.
And, why did he dismiss His human spirit and send it to the Father just before His physical death?
For if He was always functioning as God? No need for any human spirit. He would have no need to grow
in knowledge and wisdom for anything.
Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit."
When he had said this, he breathed his last." Luke 23:46
Adding the baptism of the Holy Spirit?
If He were functioning as God?
That should have had a neutral effect.
When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too. And as he was praying,
heaven was opened and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And
a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.” Luke 3:21-22
And, why a human spirit?
For its a soul that needs a human spirit, not the one functioning with the omniscience of God.
Having a human spirit so he could learn Bible doctrine? That would also have been a waste of time,
since He would already possess omniscience as God, and be in no need to learn anything...
Let's see what that does to help better understand the position I have been taking.
Commence firing!
The humanity of Christ.
It seems some here believe He always remained functioning as God and never limited himself to functioning
on the level of power and ability of being only as a man.
If that were so? Why even be benefited by receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit?
Why have the Holy Spirit in that case? Does God need God if He is already functioning as God?
No, but a soul as a man needs such help in God's plan.
And, why did he dismiss His human spirit and send it to the Father just before His physical death?
For if He was always functioning as God? No need for any human spirit. He would have no need to grow
in knowledge and wisdom for anything.
Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit."
When he had said this, he breathed his last." Luke 23:46
Adding the baptism of the Holy Spirit?
If He were functioning as God?
That should have had a neutral effect.
When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too. And as he was praying,
heaven was opened and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And
a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.” Luke 3:21-22
And, why a human spirit?
For its a soul that needs a human spirit, not the one functioning with the omniscience of God.
Having a human spirit so he could learn Bible doctrine? That would also have been a waste of time,
since He would already possess omniscience as God, and be in no need to learn anything...
Let's see what that does to help better understand the position I have been taking.
Commence firing!
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LOL I said the exact opposite mate. Humanity is humanity. Jesus Christ is not some other type of humanity which is not humanity. This is why when veiling His Deity, taking on flesh and effectively constraining Himself to ONLY His humanity, He was exactly like us but without sin.
I have encountered it once and once was enough. I was still a reasonably new Christian at the time so wasn't sure what I was encountering exactly, I only knew she was off even though she said all the "right" things. The Lord is faithful though.
GeneZ
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He gets confused. Because he sees the current state and status of Jesus Christ, and can not see that according to Philippians 2:6-8, that Jesus for a limited amount of time, limited Himself in manifesting no more power than a man who fully loves God.
Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
~But He Himself (Christ)
deprived Himself of the proper function of deity
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
Philippians 2:6-8
When we see the verses proclaiming Jesus to be God?
Sometimes we fail to recall what He temporarily needed to make Himself to become in order to die in our place on the Cross.
Some also get very upset, and even hyper sentimental in regards of the Love of the Father for the Son, when it was required
for the punishment that should have been rightfully ours, to be transferred to Jesus who was unlike us sinless, but He being the only
one possibly able to survive the effects of the punishment.
That is why the Cross was a win-win for God.
God wins back souls that were lost. And, Jesus was able to survive the punishment which was required to be
satisfied by the justice of God for our sins.
Some do not like that factor..
But it was what was needed by God to take back mankind to where God always intended for man to be.
grace and peace ........
