Did God ( Christ ) die ?

[Bob Carabbio]

@dizerner @armylngst

Did God die when Jesus died on the cross? The answer depends on how we understand the meaning of the word die. To die does not mean to go out of existence. Death is separation. Physical death is when the soul-spirit separates from the physical body. So, in that sense, yes, God died, because Jesus was God in human form, and Jesus’ soul-spirit separated from His body (John 19:30). However, if by “death” we mean “a cessation of existence,” then, no, God did not die. For God to “die” in that sense would mean that He ceased to exist, and neither the Father nor the Son nor the Holy Spirit will ever cease to exist. The Son, the second Person of the Trinity, left the body He temporarily inhabited on Earth, but His divine nature did not die, nor could it.

Jesus is truly God and truly man. His physical body did die; His heart stopped beating, and “he gave up his spirit” (Matthew 27:50). Just as our physical bodies will someday die, so did His. But as Jesus died physically, He remained alive spiritually. Jesus made good on His promise to the believing thief on the cross—He and the thief both went to paradise, not physically, but in spirit (Luke 23:43).

So, Jesus died physically on the cross, as was plain for all to see (John 19:34). But there is also the matter of spiritual death. When Jesus was hanging on the cross, He experienced death on our behalf. Even though He is God, He still had to suffer the agony of a temporary separation from the Father due to the sin He bore. After three hours of supernatural darkness, Jesus cried, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” (Mark 15:34). So, could it be said that Jesus also “died” spiritually? Again, it was only His human nature that was separated from God, not His divine nature. God did not “die.”

The question for all people to ask is “what will happen to my soul/spirit when it leaves my physical body?” This is the most crucial question in life. As we saw with Jesus, our spirits will leave our bodies and travel on to somewhere else. We will either follow Him to heaven to spend eternity with Him, or we will go to hell to spend eternity in “outer darkness” where there will be “weeping and gnashing of teeth” (Matthew 8:12). There is no other option. Jesus’ death on the cross paid the way for all who would ever believe in Him so that we can know for sure where our spirits will reside for eternity. His death provided us spiritual life, both here and in heaven. “And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you” (Romans 8:11). got ?

hope this helps !!!

Yup - that about covers it!!!

 

[praise_yeshua]

Even Peter said that in 2 Peter 3 and was rebuked by him for his hypocrisy

Yep.

 

[sawdust]

So God created a "corruption" in "soul"?

I have absolutely no idea why you make that response based on what I said.

 

[sawdust]

I can agree with some of what you've said. Yet, I don't see a strong connection here. We can disagree...

I am not saying angels are without doubt created in the image of God. I am pointing out no-one can say categorically they are not which is what @civic tried to tell us. There is evidence in scripture to suggest they might be.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I have absolutely no idea why you make that response based on what I said.

So you do not believe the soul of man carries a sin nature?

 

[sawdust]

You still don't understand Anthropomorphisms, I see.

And you still don't understand that the Eternal Uncreated Word is Deity and humanity in One person and didn't get His humanity from Mary, I see.

So be it.

Have a nice Day

 

[synergy]

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So you concede that you do not understand Anthropomorphisms? You offered no counterargument.

you still don't understand that the Eternal Uncreated Word is Deity and humanity in One person and didn't get His humanity from Mary, I see.

Explain what you mean by that. All human souls come from God and our genetic makeup comes from our Parents.

 

[sawdust]

So you do not believe the soul of man carries a sin nature?

No, I do not and it's sad to see you still don't understand that after all I have said. Although, in fairness, my discussion on this topic may not have been with you directly.

The soul is created in the image and likeness of God. (Gen1:27) Male and female He created them. The word used for create in that verse is "bara" and is only ever associated with what God can do, usually in association with "out from nothing" but not always. Only God can create the human soul. (which is why only He can destroy it Matt.10:28)

The body is created in the image of Adam. (Gen5:3) Flesh gives birth to flesh (Jn.3:6) It is how we inherit the corruption (another law) in our flesh. (Rom.7:23) It has biological life (in and of itself), not human life. It is that corruption in the flesh we call the "sin nature". Although it is a misnomer as it isn't really a "nature" as we understand the word. The nature comes when the soul (mind) is set on the flesh (body's self serving impulses) that we get a "sin nature" in a truer sense of the word.

Our humanity (human life) is in our soul. The essence of human life is consciousness (of self and others), mentality (thinking in all it's forms), emotion, volition and conscience. It is what makes us, us. It gives us personality and enables us to develop character.

I believe God creates and imputes the soul to the body at birth so we too become "living souls" when we take our first breath outside the womb.

 

[sawdust]

So you concede that you do not understand Anthropomorphisms? You offered no counterargument.

Explain what you mean by that. All human souls come from God and our genetic makeup comes from our Parents.

You think God pretended to be human. I think God the Son has always been Deity and humanity in one person and therefore any anthropomorphism (so called) is a legitimate expression of His person.

See post #588

 

[civic]

No, I do not and it's sad to see you still don't understand that after all I have said. Although, in fairness, my discussion on this topic may not have been with you directly.

The soul is created in the image and likeness of God. (Gen1:27) Male and female He created them. The word used for create in that verse is "bara" and is only ever associated with what God can do, usually in association with "out from nothing" but not always. Only God can create the human soul. (which is why only He can destroy it Matt.10:28)

The body is created in the image of Adam. (Gen5:3) Flesh gives birth to flesh (Jn.3:6) It is how we inherit the corruption (another law) in our flesh. (Rom.7:23) It has biological life (in and of itself), not human life. It is that corruption in the flesh we call the "sin nature". Although it is a misnomer as it isn't really a "nature" as we understand the word. The nature comes when the soul (mind) is set on the flesh (body's self serving impulses) that we get a "sin nature" in a truer sense of the word.

Our humanity (human life) is in our soul. The essence of human life is consciousness (of self and others), mentality (thinking in all it's forms), emotion, volition and conscience. It is what makes us, us. It gives us personality and enables us to develop character.

I believe God creates and imputes the soul to the body at birth so we too become "living souls" when we take our first breath outside the womb.

And only the Son has a soul and the Father and Holy Spirit are soulless correct ?

So man is only created in the image of the Son who has an eternal soul but not the Father and Holy Spirit who are without souls.

Talk about confusing this is worse than modalism

 

[sawdust]

And only the Son has a soul and the Father and Holy Spirit are soulless correct ?

So man is only created in the image of the Son who has an eternal soul but not the Father and Holy Spirit who are without souls.

Talk about confusing this is worse than modalism

Is the Son God? If yes, then God has a soul and man is made in God's image.

I'm not confused. There is only One God. Your insistence that only soul can have personhood is the problem. God is Spirit.

 

[GeneZ]

I'll take my chances on missing out on all your Appollinarian and Nestorian understanding of scripture. Thank you very much.

Go ahead,,, hide behind what you misapply of what I stated ....
And, hide away from what you do not understand.

An interesting point is needed to be stated..

If someone said what you distort and claim I am saying?

I would reject it too!



You are not rejecting me.

You are rejecting your own distortion ...

Fine.

 

[Johann]

Go ahead,,, hide behind what you misapply of what I stated ....
And, hide away from what you do not understand.

An interesting point is needed to be stated..

If someone said what you distort and claim I am saying?

I would reject it too!



You are not rejecting me.

You are rejecting your own distortion ...

Fine.

They might as well close this thread brother-and the synergists.
J.

 

[GeneZ]

And only the Son has a soul and the Father and Holy Spirit are soulless correct ?

Why should they need a soul when their Deity is one with the Son who's soul is in union with God?

We need Him to have a soul in union with God, so that He can translate and interpret God for us.
Interpret in a manner which would be relatable and understandable to our souls.

We could not see God otherwise.

No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God ​

and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. John 1:18​

By His means of having a soul, He is able to properly interpret God by means of His soul for us,
so that we can know God as His soul is uniquely able to know God.

Other wise? No soul? "No one has ever seen God."

Its a good truth to know...

 

[GeneZ]

They might as well close this thread brother-and the synergists.
J.

His understanding I am not after.
He can remain unconvinced.

Others who are willing to endure the thread may gain more understanding than they had before.

That is the only reason I continue....

 

[civic]

Is the Son God? If yes, then God has a soul and man is made in God's image.

I'm not confused. There is only One God. Your insistence that only soul can have personhood is the problem. God is Spirit.

so you are a unitarian since only the Son and not the Father or Holy Spirit do not have a soul and are equal with the Son.

 

[civic]

His understanding I am not after.
He can remain unconvinced.

Others who are willing to endure the thread may gain more understanding than they had before.

That is the only reason I continue....

This thread is not closing any time soon.

 

[civic]

Why should they need a soul when their Deity is one with the Son who's soul is in union with God?

We need Him to have a soul in union with God, so that He can translate and interpret God for us.
Interpret in a manner which would be relatable and understandable to our souls.

We could not see God otherwise.

No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God ​

and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. John 1:18​

By His means of having a soul, He is able to properly interpret God by means of His soul for us,
so that we can know God as His soul is uniquely able to know God.

Other wise? No soul? "No one has ever seen God."

Its a good truth to know...

define the soul and its function.

 

[civic]

Go ahead,,, hide behind what you misapply of what I stated ....
And, hide away from what you do not understand.

An interesting point is needed to be stated..

If someone said what you distort and claim I am saying?

I would reject it too!



You are not rejecting me.

You are rejecting your own distortion ...

Fine.

No your view of the Trinity is being rejected along with your Christology.

 

[sawdust]

so you are a unitarian since only the Son and not the Father or Holy Spirit do not have a soul and are equal with the Son.

No.