Did God ( Christ ) die ?

[GeneZ]

He speaks as if there are three Gods.

Now.... " edited call members by their names and do not mock them " ... be nice!

 

[GeneZ]

now that’s hilarious since you don’t know the difference between Modalism and Trinitarianism.

What do you get when Christians revert back to their primal sin natures ruling their actions and thoughts?

Please keep a diary. I would like to know in a couple of weeks.. Thank you.

 

[civic]

What an unbelievably hilarious comment. God is One. His Soul is in the Word.

No scripture for that so its by default unbiblical.

 

[civic]

What do you get when Christians revert back to their primal sin natures ruling their actions and thoughts?

Please keep a diary. I would like to know in a couple of weeks.. Thank you.

first of all there is no sin nature thats the pagan idea that came from augustine. Its not in the bible it came when augustine married his pagan idea to christianinty in the 4th - 5th century. You should learn your church history or take a class on it at your local college or online.

I know my church history and how, when and why certain doctrines were formed, why the creeds were written and who they were refuting with their heretical teachings that crept into the church. The same with the N.T. and the gnostics which Paul and John refute in their epistles.

hope this helps !!!

 

[civic]

Do you realize? That God wants us to think and figure things out by what he does tell us?

You keep insisting that he grab your brain cells to make you have a thought if he wants you to understand what something clearly indicates to those able to think analytically .

Unless its spelled out explicitly for you? Not requiring problem solving? If it was good enough for your great grandfather? And, for you grandfather? And for your momma? Its good enough for you.

Give me that old time orthodoxy!
Give me that old time orthodoxy!
If it was good enough for them?
Its good enough for me!

If it were not for the "accepted orthodoxy" of their day?

The theory of evolution would never have gained a foothold in society! The fundamentalists refused to accept the GAP understanding of Genesis 1:2, which would have shot the Darwinians in their knee caps if enough Christians back then used their God given spiritual brains to see through the fallacies of the accepted "traditional orthodoxy" of their day. The liberals saw through it and took them captive!

Today it is a closed minded refusal to find the needed answers before the questions come.

Questions that will get smiley faced "orthodox" believers into a trap and make them lose any credibility in the face of evil power grabbers.
Such "orthodoxy claimers" will be what will have our freedoms trampled over even more by men if real answers (which are available today
like the GAP understanding of the creation was available to the closed minded fundies back then). In the mean while truth that would refute
evil is being attempted to be suppressed by playing stupid debaters technique games and dodging real questions to keep their error on track.

That is why the unholy trio here can be used for becoming a further threat to the erosion of our freedoms in years to come.

Its not to be taken lightly. Rigid pseudo orthodoxy needs to be exposed by observing their pattern and refuting it.
Their playing dumb only carries those who play it only so far until the real threat materializes. One that will show no mercy when it grabs for more power to feed its tyranny machine.

If the GAP in creation were understood by more Christians and used as a defense in the Scopes trial Evolutionist would not have its hold on secular science that dominates our media today.

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“You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? ​

It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot by men." Matthew 5:13-14​

Our freedoms get trampled on by men when Christians become rigid (no salt) and refuse to keep growing and maturing in understanding with wisdom to be applying the Word of God to counter the evils in our day...

God does not see the stubbornly dogmatic believer who demands no growth beyond what has been already established,
as being faithful. Instead?:

The Lord sees them worthy to be thrown out and trampled underfoot by the merciless that are just itching to rule over us.

“You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? ​

It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot by men." Matthew 5:13-14​

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you should take your own advice sometime. just an observation.

and there is no "gap" in Genesis 1-2.

you might as well be an evolutionist if you believe that its the doorway to atheism/agnosticism.

 

[synergy]

Lev.26:11&12
11 I will set My tabernacle among you, and My soul shall not abhor you.

You still don't understand Anthropomorphisms, I see. Because of that then you would have to say that God has human hands when the Bible depicts Him as having hands.

For the audience's information, God is oftentimes referred to as having a hand or a face. This is applying human qualities to God in a figure of speech known as anthropomorphism.

Besides, you're still stuck in the heresy of Apollinarianism.

 

[civic]

God is describe as a bird, eagle, lamb, lion, has wings, feathers. Take it literally and you have a mythical greek/pagan image of God.

Some of these Trins have come up with some new things I have never heard of until lately.

And it says there is nothing new under the sun.

 

[synergy]

The Bereans were more noble than most because it wasn't a matter of "whatever" they believed, they believed exactly what Paul told them and sought to prove him TRUE with scripture not constantly trying to prove him wrong. We bring scripture and you ignore it or misunderstand it. We try to clarify and explain and we are told to prove it with scripture.

Spirit gives birth to spirit (Jn3:6) and you think the Holy Spirit gives birth to Himself.

When someone is tested with scripture, there is a chance that he is proven false. Paul was proven right time after time so that's how the Bereans ended up trusting Paul. Your Apollonarian thinking, on the other hand, is based on your lack of understanding of what Anthropomorphism means.

There is another law at work in our body (Rom.7:23) and you think it applies to human nature.

Those are passions and it's up to the individual person to not fall into sinful passions.
Human nature does not sin. People sin.

It's not our body that is created in God's image. (Gen.1:27)

I don't see that verse saying anything like "except for his body". Do you?
It's our whole being that is created in God's image.

Christ is the same today, yesterday and forever (Heb.13:8) but you say He acquired a humanity created at a point in time and became something He was not before.

I keep repeating Jesus has been, is, and always will be the Uncreated Word of God over and over again.

There are too many verses to list that say we are souls but you make our spirits as what defines us.

And each Anthropomorphic verse you quote verifies that you still do not understand what anthropomorphism means and verifies your Apollonarianism.

You refuse to see the anomalies in your own thinking then turn around and accuse us of being wrong based on your ignorance/misunderstanding of what we are saying.

Where are the anomalies in what I wrote above, or anywhere else for that matter?

There is nothing noble about constantly trying to prove people wrong. I don't care how long you have studied the Trinity or Christology, there is always more to learn, more to understand, more detail to clarify. Iron only sharpens iron when one is willing to humble themself and admit there might be something I don't know.

Whatever the Bereans may have believed when Paul began teaching? They set it aside so they could give full attention to believing what he said and then took that belief to the scriptures to see if it held up. They did not compare his teaching to their belief. That is what being noble like the Bereans means.

The Bereans did not set aside their belief in the Bible. They verified what Paul said against the Bible. There was no automatic pass for whatever Paul said. Paul's statements were verified against the Bible and only then was he believed. Your beliefs are by definition Apollonarian. Sorry.

 

[civic]

When someone is tested with scripture, there is a chance that he is proven false. Paul was proven right time after time so that's how the Bereans ended up trusting Paul. Your Apollonarian thinking, on the other hand, is based on your lack of understanding of what Anthropomorphism means.

Those are passions and it's up to the individual person to not fall into sinful passions.
Human nature does not sin. People sin.

I don't see that verse saying anything like "except for his body". Do you?
It's our whole being that is created in God's image.

I keep repeating Jesus has been, is, and always will be the Uncreated Word of God over and over again.

And each Anthropomorphic verse you quote verifies that you still do not understand what anthropomorphism means and verifies your Apollonarianism.

Where are the anomalies in what I wrote above?

The Bereans did not set aside their belief in the Bible. They verified what Paul said against the Bible. There was no automatic pass for whatever Paul said. Paul's statements were verified against the Bible and only then was he believed. Your beliefs are by definition Apollonarian. Sorry.

And the so-called " WE " are only 2 self proclaimed trinitarians on the forum- no one else has bought into those beliefs. I have never met any trinitarian with those beliefs. This is a first and I have known 1000's of Trinitarians.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I think there is enough evidence to suggest angels are created in the image and likeness of God. They are spirits, God is Spirit.

There is the Angel of the Lord who is God yet described as an angel. They can't be redeemed for the same reason those who end up in the lake of fire can't be redeemed. They stubbornly refused to accept The Lord Jesus as LORD. Christ can't die for them because they are spirits and don't die like we do but this is not to say there was not a period of grace for them (The Lord is gracious and merciful). As a parent, I know we allow our children to make mistakes as they learn but there comes a time when accountability must step up to the plate.

The devils believing God exists doesn't mean they trust His word to be true. They don't believe Him in that sense and have been judged for it. They were judged before man was created hence the creation of the lake of fire (Matt.25:41). Their sentence has been suspended based on appeal. The Lord God is allowing Satan to make his case (did God really say? Gen.3:1). It is why we see in Revelation he comes with great wrath because he knows his time is short (Rev.12:12). Satan is trying to create the "Utopia" that only God's kingdom can create. You only need be one degree off course at the start to end up on the rocks over time.

I can agree with some of what you've said. Yet, I don't see a strong connection here. We can disagree...

 

[praise_yeshua]

I have one God as three distinct persons. God is Spirit. You are letting language define and confine what personhood must be. He does not have to be a soul to be a person, that would be us, we are souls. God (as God/Deity alone) is Spirit, completely undefinable and beyond comprehension. If not for the Word, who is God as Deity and humanity in perfect union, no-one would know God.

So God created a "corruption" in "soul"?

 

[praise_yeshua]

God is describe as a bird, eagle, lamb, lion, has wings, feathers. Take it literally and you have a mythical greek/pagan image of God.

Some of these Trins have come up with some new things I have never heard of until lately.

And it says there is nothing new under the sun.

That Sun has been there a long time...

 

[praise_yeshua]

When someone is tested with scripture, there is a chance that he is proven false. Paul was proven right time after time so that's how the Bereans ended up trusting Paul. Your Apollonarian thinking, on the other hand, is based on your lack of understanding of what Anthropomorphism means.

Those are passions and it's up to the individual person to not fall into sinful passions.
Human nature does not sin. People sin.

I don't see that verse saying anything like "except for his body". Do you?
It's our whole being that is created in God's image.

I keep repeating Jesus has been, is, and always will be the Uncreated Word of God over and over again.

And each Anthropomorphic verse you quote verifies that you still do not understand what anthropomorphism means and verifies your Apollonarianism.

Where are the anomalies in what I wrote above, or anywhere else for that matter?

The Bereans did not set aside their belief in the Bible. They verified what Paul said against the Bible. There was no automatic pass for whatever Paul said. Paul's statements were verified against the Bible and only then was he believed. Your beliefs are by definition Apollonarian. Sorry.

The Immutability of Christ is an essential doctrine of the faith. However, many people do not understand what they read nor spend any time studying to understand this essential doctrine.

"Immutability" is an issue of Character. Many things about God change. The Incarnation changed the form and experience of God but it did not change His Character. Which is one of the reasons we rightfully recognize that Christ is a Divine Person. Not a human person.

God has need of nothing..... He is Eternally distinct in Character and complete. Lacking nothing.

However, man has changed.... and God has changed how He deals with man. In these last days God has....


Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son

I preached a sermon on this around 35 years ago. It is sad to see so many errors in dealing with the Character of God.

 

[civic]

The Immutability of Christ is an essential doctrine of the faith. However, many people do not understand what they read nor spend any time studying to understand this essential doctrine.

"Immutability" is an issue of Character. Many things about God change. The Incarnation changed the form and experience of God but it did not change His Character. Which is one of the reasons we rightfully recognize that Christ is a Divine Person. Not a human person.

God has need of nothing..... He is Eternally distinct in Character and complete. Lacking nothing.

However, man has changed.... and God has changed how He deals with man. In these last days God has....


Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son

I preached a sermon on this around 35 years ago. It is sad to see so many errors in dealing with the Character of God.

You said a mouthful for those with eyes to see, ears to hear and and the soul/mind/spirit/heart to understand.

 

[GeneZ]

No scripture for that so its by default unbiblical.

Unbiblical?
Because of your lack of understanding in the face of the evidence the Word does provide?

Sad to say, you are quick to assume you alone hold the key to understanding...
That you have nothing to learn from another unless they meet your standard,
no matter how right they are.

Insight can not be be brought to the level you require for it to declare it Biblical.
If it could? It would be spelled out in black and white, and would no longer require insight.

"And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more ​

and more in knowledge and depth of insight." Philippians 1:9​

Insight is an essential part of living God's Word with accuracy and life.


The lack of insight is why people believe they can lose their salvation.
Why some believe you must be water baptized to be saved.
Why some believe the Catholic church is the real mother church.
Why some believe Peter was the first pope.
Etcetera...

2 Timothy 2:7

"Reflect on what I am saying, for the Lord will give you insight into all this."​

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But, with you? If you do not get it? "Its unbiblical."

I wish you were not stuck on that boat.

For you are missing out on so much understanding.
A deficiency which is being exposed to you now.


good day....

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[praise_yeshua]

Unbiblical?
Because of your lack of understanding in the face of the evidence the Word does provide?

Sad to say, you are quick to assume you alone hold the key to understanding...
That you have nothing to learn from another unless they meet your standard,
no matter how right they are.

Insight can not be be brought to the level you require for it to declare it Biblical.
If it could? It would be spelled out in black and white, and would no longer require insight.

"And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more ​

and more in knowledge and depth of insight." Philippians 1:9​

Insight is an essential part of living God's Word with accuracy and life.


The lack of insight is why people believe they can lose their salvation.
Why some believe you must be water baptized to be saved.
Why some believe the Catholic church is the real mother church.
Why some believe Peter was the first pope.
Etcetera...

2 Timothy 2:7

"Reflect on what I am saying, for the Lord will give you insight into all this."​

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But, with you? If you do not get it? "Its unbiblical."

I wish you were not stuck on that boat.

For you are missing out on so much understanding.
A deficiency which is being exposed to you now.


good day....

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It is really extraordinary silly how you pretend to be something you're not. You're just a man. I'm just a man. Appealing to the words of another doesn't magically turn you into Paul.

Which I have repeated tried to get you to realize that you have no authority to demand adherence to what you're saying.

 

[GeneZ]

It is really extraordinary silly how you pretend to be something you're not. You're just a man. I'm just a man. Appealing to the words of another doesn't magically turn you into Paul.

Which I have repeated tried to get you to realize that you have no authority to demand adherence to what you're saying.

Thanks for your fantasy perspective about me.

You are just a man. So? Was not Paul just a man too?

What is your point?

I do not demand adherence as you assume I do.
I did not grow up under legalism like many do in churches.
I grew up sitting in a synagogue...
This adherence and obedience thing to me was primitive and for non thinkers.

When I came into Christianity and began studying the Bible?
I used to wonder how so many could be so obedient to what is not what the Bible teaches.
They are the ones who fell victim to the adherence you seem to think I am demanding.

My attitude is "take it or leave it." You either believe it,. or you don't.

But I will not allow someone to distort what I say as their means for "leaving" it.
Which is what some here habitually do.

My attitude?

Get what I am actually saying ... without distorting what I am saying.

Then? Take it or leave it.

 

[synergy]

For you are missing out on so much understanding.

I'll take my chances on missing out on all your Appollinarian and Nestorian understanding of scripture. Thank you very much.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Thanks for your fantasy perspective about me.

You are just a man. So? Was not Paul just a man too?

No. He had a RANK relative to position in the Body of Christ.... You nor I have. The fact you're not recognizing this speaks for itself.

What is your point?

I do not demand adherence as you assume I do.
I did not grow up under legalism like many do in churches.
I grew up sitting in a synagogue...
This adherence and obedience thing to me was primitive and for non thinkers.

When I came into Christianity and began studying the Bible?
I used to wonder how so many could be so obedient to what is not what the Bible teaches.
They are the ones who fell victim to the adherence you seem to think I am demanding.

My attitude is "take it or leave it." You either believe it,. or you don't.

But I will not allow someone to distort what I say as their means for "leaving" it.
Which is what some here habitually do.

My attitude?

Get what I am actually saying ... without distorting what I am saying.

Then? Take it or leave it.

You used an argument relative to authority. Paul had authority over Timothy and Titus.

 

[civic]

No. He had a RANK relative to position in the Body of Christ.... You nor I have. The fact you're not recognizing this speaks for itself.




You used an argument relative to authority. Paul had authority over Timothy and Titus.

Even Peter said that in 2 Peter 3 and was rebuked by him for his hypocrisy