Did God ( Christ ) die ?

101G said:
Hebrews 2:10 "For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings." Hebrews 2:11 "For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,"

101G
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That would at least require more similarities between man and God and not necessarily angels. I do remember the Scripture that speaks of the angels marvel at man's relationship with God.
 
1 John 3:2 "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."

101G.
 
civic said:
Poor hermeneutics and circular reasoning. The fact is only man was created in Gods image which is why they can be redeemed after the fall/ sin and the angels cannot since they were not created in the image of God.

hope this helps !!!
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We all have to agree with the way you understand scripture and your logic or we're wrong. Sure, whatever you think mate. See you on the Day. :)

Have a good one. :)
 
praise_yeshua said:
Yeah. Same ole same ole.....
Will you take pleasure in the judgement of another? I remember calling you on this before...

Are you really that power hungry?

I do believe your theology requires such. You even make God out to be the same.

Do you believe God is power hungry?
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Not taking pleasure.. Matter of fact. I find it disheartening.

I wish you the very best you can be!
 
praise_yeshua said:
Yeah. Same ole same ole.....
Will you take pleasure in the judgement of another? I remember calling you on this before...

Are you really that power hungry?

I do believe your theology requires such. You even make God out to be the same.

Do you believe God is power hungry?
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Hungry?

God wants us to feed on Him through His Word...
By being taught soundly Bible doctrine to think and work out our own salvation with.

If that happens?
We will not hunger, nor thirst.

Power hungry? I have the power not to be hungry for power.

Grace and truth and His peace wants to teach us all that truth...
 
GeneZ said:
Hungry?

God wants us to feed on Him through His Word...
By being taught soundly Bible doctrine to think and work out our own salvation with.

If that happens?
We will not hunger, nor thirst.

Power hungry? I have the power not to be hungry for power.

Grace and truth and His peace wants to teach us all that truth...
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1Pe 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
 
praise_yeshua said:
Do tell what "suffer loss" means to you. Maybe that will settle our dispute in this.
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Right here....

The following passage tells us that no believer can lose his salvation no matter how much he neglected to accept truth after he is saved.
Yet, it teaches that phenomenal awe inspiring blessings of our eternal rewards (which God has already awaiting specifically for you) can be lost.

You can not lose your salvation. But we can lose out on hearing... "well done good and faithful servant."

For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. ​
If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, ​
their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be ​
revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. If what has ​
been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. If it is burned up, the builder will ​
suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames."​
​
1 Corinthians 3:11-15​



Every believer should read that passage till he plainly sees that eternal rewards can be lost by believers.
But ! Never have their salvation lost!

grace and peace!
 
praise_yeshua said:
They really believe this junk?

I missed that part. Sorry.
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Well, on the particular issue angels can't be redeemed because they are not made in the image of God? Guess he forget about the redemption of the deserts and lions and vipers. The creation itself is to be redeemed so unless he thinks all creation is made in the image of God? I reckon he's simply not thinking. But I'm sure he will come up with some other excuse as why angels can't be made in the image of God. ;)

Strange how he's willing to say there is no direct evidence yet categorically denies even the possibility when scripture implies the opposite. To each his own I guess. :)
 
sawdust said:
Guess he forget about the redemption of the deserts and lions and vipers.
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talking about these vipers? Matthew 3:7 "But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?"

or these of Judah, the Jews, Genesis 49:9 "Judah is a lion's whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up?"

it's amazing how many missed a metaphor for real.

101G.
 
praise_yeshua said:
1Pe 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
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But its not an automated process that takes place by default on the merits of being born again. It requires one be willing to suffer when need be after one is born again to gain Christ to know Him.

We have been immersed into a spiritual battle that many fail to become properly trained for fighting. Why? They want to fight it in a way they see as good as to show God he should be proud of the great job they are doing, according to how they would want to see a believer be if they were God.

Instead of being transformed into His image by grace and truth by sound doctrine. By accurate teaching. They have transformed God (by distortions of Scripture) in their minds, into a god of their own liking. Into a god, that as they are as a believer, their god would be proud of how they keep remaining faithful to Him.

Satan and his demons are merciless and are envious of Christians whom they know are destined for great things. They do not care! They will lie in ways that they sense will appeal to Christians who refuse to suffer under pressure which is needed for God's grace to work in divine power to overcome the pressure they are helpless in their own power to overcome. Many will want quick relief and seek safety in numbers, and will bond with a church of like minded believers sharing in common trends in their sin natures.

Here is what Paul told Timothy we will find to be the rule rather than the exception....


For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. ​
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great ​
number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear." 2 Timothy 4:3​

We today are living proof that Paul knew what he was talking about.....

That is why Jesus warned that the way to destruction for believers will be found on the "broad and wide" road...
That many will take it.... And, that only a few will make it, through to finding the life more abundantly that
Jesus told us would be under pressure and narrow. The very kind of Life to be lived in happiness.
A life that He came to earth to give believers....

I don't wish to argue.

I simply say. "Take it, or leave it."

Because its truth.
 
GeneZ said:
But its not an automated process that takes place by default on the merits of being born again. It requires one be willing to suffer when need be after one is born again to gain Christ to know Him.

We have been immersed into a spiritual battle that many fail to become properly trained for fighting. Why? They want to fight it in a way they see as good as to show God he should be proud of the great job they are doing, according to how they would want to see a believer be if they were God.

Instead of being transformed into His image by grace and truth by sound doctrine. By accurate teaching. They have transformed God (by distortions of Scripture) in their minds, into a god of their own liking. Into a god, that as they are as a believer, their god would be proud of how they keep remaining faithful to Him.

Satan and his demons are merciless and are envious of Christians whom they know are destined for great things. They do not care! They will lie in ways that they sense will appeal to Christians who refuse to suffer under pressure which is needed for God's grace to work in divine power to overcome the pressure they are helpless in their own power to overcome. Many will want quick relief and seek safety in numbers, and will bond with a church of like minded believers sharing in common trends in their sin natures.

Here is what Paul told Timothy we will find to be the rule rather than the exception....

​
For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. ​
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great ​
number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear." 2 Timothy 4:3​

We today are living proof that Paul knew what he was talking about.....

That is why Jesus warned that the way to destruction for believers will be found on the "broad and wide" road...
That many will take it.... And, that only a few will make it, through to finding the life more abundantly that
Jesus told us would be under pressure and narrow. The very kind of Life to be lived in happiness.
A life that He came to earth to give believers....

I don't wish to argue.

I simply say. "Take it, or leave it."

Because its truth.
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Are you a teacher ?
 
101G said:
talking about these vipers? Matthew 3:7 "But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?"

or these of Judah, the Jews, Genesis 49:9 "Judah is a lion's whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up?"

it's amazing how many missed a metaphor for real.

101G.
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Sort of clever... for the novice believer...

Has anyone ever told you that you talk in your sleep?
 
sawdust said:
Well, on the particular issue angels can't be redeemed because they are not made in the image of God? Guess he forget about the redemption of the deserts and lions and vipers. The creation itself is to be redeemed so unless he thinks all creation is made in the image of God? I reckon he's simply not thinking. But I'm sure he will come up with some other excuse as why angels can't be made in the image of God. ;)

Strange how he's willing to say there is no direct evidence yet categorically denies even the possibility when scripture implies the opposite. To each his own I guess. :)
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Don't worry about him. Worry is a sin. ;)
 
dizerner said:
You would understand though, that all mercy is dealt to us by the Work of the Cross?

God cannot by any means just ignore sin, the breaking of his Law?

So in that sense "the Law of the Lord endures forever."
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On the Cross God kept a date....


Mercy and truth have met together;
Righteousness and peace have kissed.
Truth shall spring out of the earth,
And righteousness shall look down from heaven."


Psalm 85:10-11
 

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