Did God ( Christ ) die ?

[Rockson]

I've been childish a few times, although I try not to be.

I'll be the first to admit it.

I've always thought amusing the following statement,

"I can't stand people who can't admit their mistakes! I'd be the first to admit mine if I had any!"

Point: We all make mistakes. It's good though that we don't embrace them as a continual pattern in life that we don't seek to correct.

 

[GeneZ]

But you don't think perhaps you add to people's capacity not to listen to your reasonings maybe by your actions? See below,

So if we're going to call people childish and not mature adults what hope do you think you can have at convincing anybody anything? Consider that maybe food for thought?

I am calling them out.

Others tell me "it's about time!"

I speak for them as well.

 

[GeneZ]

I've always thought amusing the following statement,

"I can't stand people who can't admit their mistakes! I'd be the first to admit mine if I had any!"

Point: We all make mistakes. It's good though that we don't embrace them as a continual pattern in life that we don't seek to correct.

We all make mistakes... True. ok...

But, some deploy the constant use of mistakes as their means to bluff their way through a debate.
The effect is like skunk spray to the mind that reasons...
Its offensive... Repulsive. Not constructive.

We are to expose them to their face, before others.

But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone,
so that the others may take warning." 1 Tim 5:20

I have been hearing agreement from those who stopped coming here, or are in the process of trying to find another forum.
Its bad enough when someone habitually posts misleading information in a Christian forum.
But when its approved of by those who should be keeping it under control?
Its suicidal....

 

[Diserner]

The hardest thing for a man to see is himself.

But we can see everyone else's faults 100 miles away.

 

[GeneZ]

The hardest thing for a man to see is himself.

But we can see everyone else's faults 100 miles away.

The best leveler is the Word of God being taught by a competent pastor-teacher, to people who remain anonymous
hidden in a congregation.

 

[Diserner]

That is why it may be (when need be) the best thing for someone to level with that person for once.

The best leveler is the Word of God being taught by a competent pastor-teacher, to people who remain anonymous
hidden in a congregation.

I recommend rather some time alone with God in prayer.

It seems Christians look everywhere BUT there.

 

[GeneZ]

I recommend rather some time alone with God in prayer.

It seems Christians look everywhere BUT there.

before all else.. One must walk in the Spirit to be led......

Many walk in their emotions and are stimulated by the "atmosphere" rather than God's Spirit.

Paul wrote about them:

Note: Keep in mind. Body parts were used by the ancients to describe what we have since invented words for their specific meaning.
The word "belly" was used for what today we simply refer to today as the emotions.

So here we have it with Paul describing the believers who make their emotions their god.

Brethren, join in following my example, and note those who so walk, as you have us for a pattern.
For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the
enemies of the cross of Christ: whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly [emotions],
and whose glory is in their shame—who set their mind on earthly things."​

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Philippians 3:17-19​

We see that happening everywhere around us...
They bond with others sharing in similar sin nature patterns.

That is why Jesus warned us that only a few will find the way that leads to having life more abundantly...


grace and peace .........

 

[praise_yeshua]

I am calling them out.

Others tell me "it's about time!"

I speak for them as well.

You speak for them???

You're not a very good spokesman. You have everyone on "ignore". You just want to rant. That is all you want to do.

 

[sethproton]

Problem is that people read what's written here and we need to be faithful to what the Bible does reveals. Dreamt up terms like "born again Jew" (in opposition to "born again Christian") can't just be paraded around without any Biblical support.

I also wonder sometimes about non-Biblical phrases, unless they can be shown to accurately reflect scripture. Born again Jew means a Jew who received Christ which all the believers were intially.

 

[Rockson]

But, some deploy the constant use of mistakes as their means to bluff their way through a debate.

And if they sincerely don't believe they're mistakes? That would mean they're not trying to bluff anyone correct?

We are to expose them to their face, before others.

I think I'd dial back using that rebuke kind of rhetoric over subjects that it not so entirely important to be right on. I'd offer a little bit of flexibility that you don't always have to insist your understanding is correct. It may be or could be with some things but God has patience with people too.

Or to put it another way don't be so upset about somebody being wrong MORE than what Jesus is! On SOME subjects (not all) the Lord would say, "After a little time that they're in heaven I'l tell them Oh by the way you were wrong about this thing" They'll say sorry Lord and that will be it.

I have been hearing agreement from those who stopped coming here, or are in the process of trying to find another forum.

Oh so they think the grass might be greener on the other side? Hahaha....well I belong to I think 3 others. I've never found a greener nicer place then this but whatever makes one happy go for it. Kind of reminds me of the work place I once was in. Thousands of employees all in different groups. Some said they couldn't get along with a group and would transfer to another. A short time later they're not happy there either.

Its bad enough when someone habitually posts misleading information in a Christian forum.

Maybe they do but maybe they don't. But don't tell me you won't find that in ALL forums. It's what takes place in message boards....ALL of them. I like to try to believe the best of them that they're not doing it intentionally . Every once in awhile in shocked in discovering, "Oh my gosh! They were right?" So how about you? Have you NEVER discovered you were wrong about ANYTHING?

 

[GeneZ]

I also wonder sometimes about non-Biblical phrases, unless they can be shown to accurately reflect scripture. Born again Jew means a Jew who received Christ which all the believers were intially.

Thank you....

It also applied to OT believers Moses and David who were regenerated when they believed in the Lord.
At that time the Holy Spirit to take up residence in the believer was not yet taking place.
But, they, as Jews, were born again...
They became born again as the Spirit begot a human spirit so they could know the things of God.

He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher ​

who has come from God. ​

For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.”​

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Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God ​

unless they are born again.” John 3:2-3​

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Well? .... Moses, Isaiah, Ezekiel, David?

All were shown, and saw in their hearts, the kingdom of God!!!!!!

Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God ​

unless they are born again.”​

......................... Isaiah wrote about it!

That means? They were born again - Jews!

Today we only think of Christians as being born again.
Born again means "regeneration."
Because, we are not born physically regenerated.

Important to understand that Nicodemus was told he needed to be born again before the Church age began!
The indwelling Holy Spirit was not what Nicodemus needed when Jesus told him to be born again.
Nicodemus needed to gain a human spirit.

After Pentecost Nicodemus became a Christian... the Bride of Christ!



John 3:2-3

 

[GeneZ]

And if they sincerely don't believe they're mistakes? That would mean they're not trying to bluff anyone correct?

It means they were brought up in a religious environment and were indoctrinated to their dogma like Catholics blindly follow
what they had been wrongly told. The flesh can be religious and learn what to conform to. The flesh can not be spiritual....

 

[synergy]

I disagree with you and @civic on this. Not that it matters in this discussion. It really doesn't. If you ever want to have a reasoned debate on this particular position, I'd like to discuss it with you.

In summary, even those that are "born again" are incomplete. Much like Adam was originally lacking in knowledge. So are those "born again". We (born again) must become "children" in knowledge.... though we're mature adults.

Not sure what you disagree with. Are you saying that OT Saints were regenerated during OT times, before Pentecost?

 

[synergy]

I also wonder sometimes about non-Biblical phrases, unless they can be shown to accurately reflect scripture. Born again Jew means a Jew who received Christ which all the believers were intially.

Yes. People who introduce non-Biblical terms need to be called out on that. We can't all go around introducing non-Biblical terms, without any Biblical support, and expect everyone to automatically agree. That's not the Berean way.

 

[synergy]

Thank you....

It also applied to OT believers Moses and David who were regenerated when they believed in the Lord.
At that time the Holy Spirit to take up residence in the believer was not yet taking place.
But, they, as Jews, were born again...
They became born again as the Spirit begot a human spirit so they could know the things of God.

He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher ​

who has come from God. ​

For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.”​

​

Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God ​

unless they are born again.” John 3:2-3​

Well.... Moses, Isaiah, Ezekiel, David...

All were shown, and saw in their hearts the kingdom of God!!!!!!

Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God ​

unless they are born again.”​

Isaiah wrote about it!

They were born again Jews!

Today we only think of Christians as being born again.

Important to understand that Nicodemus was told he needed to be born again before the Church age began!



John 3:2-3

And where do you think Nicodemus was born again? Where else than where all believing Jews were born again: at Pentecost.

 

[civic]

And where do you think Nicodemus was born again? Where else than where all believing Jews were born again: at Pentecost.

Exactly

 

[praise_yeshua]

Not sure what you disagree with. Are you saying that OT Saints were regenerated during OT times, before Pentecost?

Yes sir.

 

[synergy]

Yes sir.

I have never been able to locate any occurrence of an OT Saint being regenerated/born again during OT time, before Pentecost. Have you?

I believe that they were regenerated where all other believers were regenerated, at Pentecost.

 

[Rockson]

I am calling them out.

Others tell me "it's about time!"

I speak for them as well.

Gosh Gene your story is starting to sound like Moses delivering people from Egypt! So what spiritual credentials are you bringing to the table to do this? I mean what type of impact and powerful ministry have you had on the world? Your claims come across as pretty lofty in nature.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I have never been able to locate any occurrence of an OT Saint being regenerated/born again during OT time, before Pentecost. Have you?

I believe that they were regenerated where all other believers were regenerated, at Pentecost.

Job called Christ my Redeemer. Enoch called Christ Lord as referenced by Jude and his own work (book of Enoch) from which Jude took it.

1st Corinthians 12:3