Did God ( Christ ) die ?

There is no "generated" or "born once" in the Bible, only "regenerated" or "born again". By your thinking then Adam will never be born again (regenerated). I'll let you break that news to him.

I think some here will agree with me.

Its time to put you back in the cage.

You either have a serious comprehension problem. Or, enjoy goofing on people you do not like.
In my musician days I knew and observed people like you.

But? You might be innocent, and really can not help yourself. So?

On Ignore again.
 
I do not know what your problem is.
But, I do not want to make it mine.
Problem is that people read what's written here and we need to be faithful to what the Bible does reveals. Dreamt up terms like "born again Jew" (in opposition to "born again Christian") can't just be paraded around without any Biblical support.
 
He was born, just not of a woman.

The earth had come from the prehistoric waters, and perhaps was a bit muddy as a steam is said to come up from the ground.

However, I think this first water represents a fallen creation.

It is potentially possible Adam committed the unpardonable sin, and was dealt with just for the sake of his progeny.

... That was amusing.

Is it a game of good cop- bad cop? 🕵️‍♂️
 
I think some here will agree with me.

Its time to put you back in the cage.

You either have a serious comprehension problem. Or, enjoy goofing on people you do not like.
In my musician days I knew and observed people like you.

But? You might be innocent, and really can not help yourself. So?

On Ignore again.
Back to Ad Hominems again.

And back to sticking your head in the sand through "ignore".
 
Huh? Bible reference please. Without any supporting verses, this idea of yours will be tossed out.

That's the only way to be born again.

In the mean time go look up seminal fluid and what amniotic fluid is.

You get some things terribly wrong. Embarrassingly wrong..

But you are always completely sure of yourself....

Yes, you are on Ignore again.
 
In the mean time go look up seminal fluid and what amniotic fluid is.

You get some things terribly wrong. Embarrassingly wrong..

But you are always completely sure of yourself....

Yes, you are on Ignore again.
I corrected what needed correcting.

You, on the other hand, toss out Ad Hominems, put your head in the sand with ignore, falsely deny Adam from seeing the Kingdom of God because of your amniotic fluid = water falsehood, your parading of dreamt up terms like "born again Jew" (in opposition to "born again Christian"), etc....
 
This much I will say.
OT believers were born again.
They were body, soul, and human spirit.

What the Church age introduced was as follows:

Like the OT believers being body, soul, and human spirit.
The Christian was also given the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
No one was born again until Pentecost period. You are denying Jesus teaching on the Holy Spirit. The disciples were not born again until Pentecost.

John 7:39
By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.

John 12:16
At first His disciples did not understand these things, but after Jesus was glorified they remembered what had been done to Him, and they realized that these very things had also been written about Him.

Jesus promised the disciples He would bring to their remembrance when Pentecost came and the Holy Spirit would be in them and guide them into all truth.

John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you

John 16:7
"It is expedient for you that I go away; for if I go not away the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart I will send him unto you."

John 16:13
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

hope this helps !!!
 
This much I will say.
OT believers were born again.
They were body, soul, and human spirit.

What the Church age introduced was as follows:

Like the OT believers being body, soul, and human spirit.
The Christian was also given the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
Correcting your unbiblical teaching on the new birth through the Holy Spirit with Scripture.

The new birth and the gospel.


Born of Water John 3


John 3:1-7. Lets look at the context of Jesus interaction with Nicodemus. All human beings have experienced natural birth on earth, if they expect to go to heaven, they must experience a supernatural spiritual birth from above. Nicodemus was a well educated religious leader who did not understand what the Saviour was talking about. Jesus was speaking about a spiritual birth, but Nicodemus thought of a physical birth.

The situation is no different today When you talk with people about being born again, they often begin to discuss their family's religious heritage, their church membership, religious ceremonies like baptism etc....Jesus being a patient teacher picked up on Nicodemus' words and further explained the new birth. To be "born of water" is to be born physically ("enter a second time into his mother's womb") but to be born again means to be born of the Spirit. Just as there are two parents for physical birth, so there are two for spiritual birth: the Spirit of God (John 3:5) and the Word of God (James 1:18; 1 Peter 1:23-25). The Spirit of God takes the Word of God and, when the sinner believes, imparts the life of God.Jesus was not teaching that the new birth comes through water baptism. In the NT baptism is connected with death, not birth and no amount of physical water can cause a spiritual change in a person.

The emphasis in John 3:14-21 is on believing, because salvation comes through faith. John 1:12-13 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Understanding Jesus teaching in John 3 on Born Again !

John 3:3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”

4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”
5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
9 “How can this be?” Nicodemus asked
10 “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things?

So lets go through this point by point.

1- to enter the kingdom of God a person must be born again( a 2nd time)
2- flesh gives birth to flesh ( 1st birth )
3- the Spirit gives birth to spirit( 2nd birth )
4- the wind(spirit) blows wherever IT pleases
5- we hear the sound of the wind but do not know where it is coming from or going to
6- the same with the Spirit( we see its effects but not its coming or going)
7- the spirit is the same as the wind- it does as it pleases and we see its effects in both the natural(wind) and supernatural ( spirit)
8- God causes us to be born again
9- the new birth is compared to the physical birth just as the wind is compared to the spirits work
10- in both cases of birth God is the Active One and the one who is birthed is passive in the process.

There can be no other reading into the text but what has been outlined in the 10 points. Those 10 points are directly from the text.

Now The PARALLELS and CONTRASTS Jesus makes in the passage are the following 10 by reading through and observing the passage :

1- the 2 births
2- the wind and the spirit
3- flesh and the spirit
4- water and spirit
5- earthly and heavenly things
6- effects of both the wind and spirit
7- the seen with the unseen
8- the physical with the supernatural
9- knowing and not knowing, understanding and not understanding
10- entering the kingdom and not entering the kingdom

summary- just as flesh gives birth to flesh( 1st birth as a person) so to does the Spirit give birth to the spirit(the new birth- born again)

Ezekiel 18 declares : “a NEW SPIRIT I WILL (future) put WITHIN them…” These predictions mean that even Ezekiel was not regenerated, nor was any man prior to Ezekiel. And Ezekiel lived near the end of the OT time period. Scripture talks about 2 kinds of life. Physical and Spiritual. What other “kind of life” does the Bible talk about other than the life we are given in the flesh when we are born of the flesh, and eternal life which we are given when we are born of the Spirit? There is no other “kind of life” taught about in the Bible. When a man is born of the eternal Spirit, by the eternal Word of God, he is given eternal life. A man is regenerated when He is made alive with Jesus Christ (Eph. 2:5). Can a man be “made alive with Jesus Christ” apart from having Jesus Christ dwelling in him? Also, Paul explicitly states, “You are not in the flesh but in the Spirit IF THE SPIRIT OF GOD DWELL IN YOU. And if any man HAVE NOT THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST HE IS NONE OF HIS.” (Rom. 8:9). We are born again THROUGH THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST FROM THE DEAD (1Peter 1:3). Can a man be born again through the resurrection of Jesus Christ before Jesus Christ actually rose again from the dead? No so Jesus in John 3 was not talking about spiritual life in the OT but the promise of the Spirit that would come at Pentecost when His spirit would be poured out upon all who believe in Him and become born again children of God from the preaching of the gospel and receiving Him as Lord.

hope this helps !!!
 
Nicodemus went from being a born again Jew prior to Pentecost to becoming a born again Christian after Pentecost.
Got Scripture for this unbiblical assertion?

See my previous two posts for the biblical and correct view revealing your above claims to be false.
 
Got Scripture for this unbiblical assertion?
Sure do.. Its in the Bible. Nicodemus was a part of the Jewish leadership.

Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council.
He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God.
For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.” John 3:1-2

Many still do not see that Jesus came preaching to Jews, as a Jew. They called Him "Rabbi."
Many Jews were saved before the church age and were believing in the coming Messiah they were waiting for.
The Pharisees (who gentiles think are what were the Jews) were the corruption that came out of Judaism.
The Pharisees became to Judaism a corruption like what the RCC became to Christianity...

Gentiles sometimes think salvation began with the Gentiles... Its wrong thinking.
First were the Jews who knew salvation. Then, the Gentiles were brought in later.

You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what
we do know, for salvation is from the Jews." John 4:22!
Jesus said that!!!!

Jews knew salvation through faith in the Lord long before the Gentiles ever did.
Its the Church age that introduced the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in salvation and was offered to all equally.. Both Jews and Gentiles.
Before the church age Jews had to be under Law to restrain them because they did not have the indwelling Holy Spirit to control their flesh.



You call yourself a teacher? And, you don't know that?
And, you treat me like I am a moron all the time?

Wake up.
 
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Before the church age Jews had to be under Law to restrain them because they did not have the indwelling Holy Spirit to control their flesh.
The Law does not save therefore there is no such thing as your fabled "born again Jew" in the OT, in opposition to born again Christians in the NT.

It's back to the drawing board for you.
 
Sure do.. Its in the Bible. Nicodemus was a part of the Jewish leadership.

Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council.
He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God.
For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.” John 3:1-2

Many still do not see that Jesus came preaching to Jews, as a Jew. They called Him "Rabbi."
Many Jews were saved before the church age and were believing in the coming Messiah they were waiting for.
The Pharisees (who gentiles think are what were the Jews) were the corruption that came out of Judaism.
The Pharisees became to Judaism a corruption like what the RCC became to Christianity...

Gentiles sometimes think salvation began with the Gentiles... Its wrong thinking.
First were the Jews who knew salvation. Then, the Gentiles were brought in later.

You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what
we do know, for salvation is from the Jews." John 4:22!
Jesus said that!!!!

Jews knew salvation through faith in the Lord long before the Gentiles ever did.
Its the Church age that introduced the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in salvation and was offered to all equally.. Both Jews and Gentiles.
Before the church age Jews had to be under Law to restrain them because they did not have the indwelling Holy Spirit to control their flesh.



You call yourself a teacher? And, you don't know that?
And, you treat me like I am a moron all the time?

Wake up.
Projecting again that’s exactly what you do with every one of my posts
 
The Law does not save therefore there is no such thing as your fabled "born again Jew" in the OT, in opposition to born again Christians in the NT.

It's back to the drawing board for you.

I disagree with you and @civic on this. Not that it matters in this discussion. It really doesn't. If you ever want to have a reasoned debate on this particular position, I'd like to discuss it with you.

In summary, even those that are "born again" are incomplete. Much like Adam was originally lacking in knowledge. So are those "born again". We (born again) must become "children" in knowledge.... though we're mature adults.
 
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Jews knew salvation through faith in the Lord long before the Gentiles ever did.
Its the Church age that introduced the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in salvation and was offered to all equally.. Both Jews and Gentiles.
Before the church age Jews had to be under Law to restrain them because they did not have the indwelling Holy Spirit to control their flesh.
It hasn't controlled your flesh. It hasn't controlled mine. Not completely.

Salvation has been from the beginning. Long before there was a northern kingdom of Israel that began the word "Jew".....
 
Projecting again that’s exactly what you do with every one of my posts

Back during the Viet Nam war era I learned that term in first year of psychology class in college....

You often abuse that term. Its from a lack of understanding what is really taking place here.

It makes any attempt by me to reason with you impossible.

For you and your trio are locked into a group-think that resembles what I used to witness to as a kid when a clique of a few kids formed in town.

Its childishness.... Not mature adults.
 
This is what Civic avoided addressing...

Its in the Bible. Nicodemus was a part of the Jewish leadership.

Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council.
He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God.
For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.”
John 3:1-2

Many still do not see that Jesus came preaching to Jews, as a Jew.
They called Him "Rabbi."
Many Jews were saved before the church age and were believing in the coming Messiah they were waiting for.

The Pharisees (who gentiles think are what were the Jews) were the corruption that came out of Judaism.
The Pharisees became to Judaism a corruption like what the RCC became to Christianity...

Gentiles sometimes think salvation began with the Gentiles... Its wrong thinking.
First were the Jews who knew salvation.
Then, the Gentiles were brought in later.

You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what
we do know, for salvation is from the Jews."
John 4:22!

Jesus said that!

Jews knew salvation through faith in the Lord long before the Gentiles ever did.
Long before Pentecost took place to introduce the church age.

Its the Church age that introduced the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in salvation which was offered to all equally.. Both Jews and Gentiles.

Before the church age? Jews had to be under Law to restrain them because they did not have the indwelling Holy Spirit to control their flesh.



All that information?
Information that helps clarify a major issue in better understanding the Church age?

Civic avoided addressing it....
 
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It makes any attempt by me to reason with you impossible.
But you don't think perhaps you add to people's capacity not to listen to your reasonings maybe by your actions? See below,
Its childishness.... Not mature adults.
So if we're going to call people childish and not mature adults what hope do you think you can have at convincing anybody anything? Consider that maybe food for thought?
 
So if we're going to call people childish and not mature adults what hope do you think you can have at convincing anybody anything? Consider that maybe food for thought?

I've been childish a few times, although I try not to be.

I'll be the first to admit it.
 
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