civic
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Nope all the peoples of the earth come to the new Jerusalem on the earth. I quoted it right out of Rev 21:24
Did God ( Christ ) die ?
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You said heaven and earth become one. They do not. In the final creation it is a new heaven AND a new earth, not some amalgamated unity.
And it's not a question of not believing, it's a matter of rightly dividing. This current earth will pass away before Jerusalem descends. @GeneZ was speaking of the Millennium which occurs prior to the Rev.21 event.
Rev.21:1-2
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
civic
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I said the new Jerusalem comes from heaven to earth and God is on the throne.
Where does God dwell ?
hope this helps !!!
GeneZ
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What you have done was to take a butcher's meat cleaver to the Scriptures and cut out what needs first to be understood,,,
You quote things outside of their context to prove your point , and then claim victory.
We're not kids anymore. I don't play that way.
That is what you said above (first quote). If you didn't mean they become a single place then you shouldn't be so sloppy with your wording. Either way, you are still in the wrong time period. @GeneZ was speaking of the Millennium, the New Jerusalem descends after that time.
God is omnipresent so He can dwell in heaven and on earth at the same time. Just because God dwells in the New Jerusalem doesn't mean heaven is disbanded and amalgamated with the earth. It says quite clearly a new heaven AND earth.
GeneZ
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Sorry...
But you don't know something yet as you ought to.
What you stated does not apply to the Millennial reign of Christ.
What you spoke of refers to what will be changed over to when the Millennium ends....
The New Jerusalem that comes down from heaven will last forever. Not only 1000 years.
Had to learn that myself after being confused for some time..
A very good pastor clarified it for me in Bible class.
civic
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Nope I said the new heavens and new earth with the new Jerusalem. I know exactly what I say and remember it too
GeneZ
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Nope I said the new heavens and new earth with the new Jerusalem. I know exactly what I say and remember it too
But here will be two new heavens and new earths! You got it out of order.
civic
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Nope only one new heavens and earth
GeneZ
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I can't believe how others when shown a few needed details, how it suddenly clicks, and it finally stabilizes and makes sense....
But, with you?
Its as if you are actually challenging me to tell you truth so you can show me a new way to obscure it.
That really seems to be what you are after.
Very odd. Its become by now an established and consistent pattern you follow.
Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back,
let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from
death and cover a multitude of sins." James 5:19-20
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civic
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You cannot prove me wrong with your man made ideas and presuppositions you bring into the text. Revelation 21:24 refutes your argument. And you run away from the passage like the plague and refuse to deal with its truth,
hope this helps !!!
GeneZ
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I do not want to prove you wrong anymore.
You go ahead and live in a world of your own liking...
Who am I to stop you?
Go ahead.
civic
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the New Jerusalem that’s on this earth. The nations/ peoples of the earth.
Rev 21:24
Berean Literal Bible
And the nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory into it.
King James Bible
And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
New King James Version
And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it.
New American Standard Bible
The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.
Where do the peoples/nations on earth bring their glory into it? What is the it ?
Revelation 21
I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp.
What is this city called ?
Rev 12:2,10
2- I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,
10-And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.
I rest my case. !
hope this helps !!!
civic
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Projecting again. you just reject everything I say from the bible. if someone else said it you would agree but since its me you automatically reject it because of who knows why. If I was a betting man its personal.
GeneZ
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Sleep well...
GeneZ
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What ever you say, sir.
civic
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I see you ignored post 193 that refutes your theory on the New Jerusalem not being on this earth.
The Scriptures support what I said all along and once I posted them you conveniently ignored them.
hope this helps !!!
GeneZ
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Amazing....
sethproton
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Do u mean those who ave not been born again?
GeneZ
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You too?
You're the fifth person this week having that problem...
I wonder what's going on?
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