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Deliverance from Calvinism
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Angelo
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The "lost" the ones that rejected Jesus's free offer of salvation, John 3:16. They didn't believe.
Amos
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Freedom. What Jesus came to do. No one has to remain in bondage to sin and death.
Freedom? What Jesus came to do? Do tell
brightfame52
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The lost the Gospel is hidden from them. Thats why the dont and can't believe. 2 Cor 4:3-4
Angelo
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LOL, so the lost just stay lost, and only the saved can get saved. That's another gospel. surprise surprise
“I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel.”
Ga 1:6.
The word for “marvel” is thaumazō. It carries with it the idea of surprise at the unexpected.
brightfame52
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Sorry but the lost have the Gospel hidden from them and they can't believe it. Only the saved can and will believe the Gospel
Angelo
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Yes that's one sorry Gospel alright.
A key verses for sharing the real Gospel is John 3:16, which states: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life". Other important verses include Matthew 28:19-20, where Jesus commissions his followers to "go and make disciples of all nations," and Mark 16:15, which says to "go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation".
Why "go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation" to people that are already saved?
A key verses for sharing the real Gospel is John 3:16, which states: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life". Other important verses include Matthew 28:19-20, where Jesus commissions his followers to "go and make disciples of all nations," and Mark 16:15, which says to "go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation".
Why "go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation" to people that are already saved?
Amos
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He is our sanctification, as himself being purity, that the pure may be encompassed by his purity. He is our redemption, because he sets us free who were held captive under sin, giving himself as a ransom for us, the sacrifice to make expiation for the world. He is our resurrection, because he raises up, and brings to life.
brightfame52
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To teach and disciple them that are saved
Angelo
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Your not saved till your sins are forgiven. Hearing and accepting the gospel comes first before salvation.
According to the Bible, the gospel is the "good news" about Jesus Christ, which includes His sinless life, sacrificial death for the sins of humanity, burial, and resurrection from the dead.
It is the message of salvation for those who believe in him, leading to forgiveness of sins, a right relationship with God, the gift of the Holy Spirit, and eternal life. Believing in the gospel involves confessing Jesus as Lord and believing in His resurrection.
brightfame52
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If Christ died for a person they are forgiven by His Blood Eph 1:7
Amos
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"Christ died for all" is a key Christian belief based on Bible passages like 2 Corinthians 5:14-15, which say that Christ died for everyone, making salvation possible for all humanity.
You are promoting "Universalism". But the fact is, this dogma has no basis in Scripture and logically it is irrational.
Calvinism falsely teaches that only a select few are chosen for salvation. And that goes against 2 Corinthians 5:14-15.
He is how you are forgiven.
“I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved and will come in and go out and find pasture.” John 10:9
Scott
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God has provided the means of salvation for all people, at all times, and in all places, not because He has to, but because He is good, and that truth is the very heart of what we call the gospel.
He gives all sinners the opportunity to come to Him to receive eternal life.
There has always been one gospel and it is the eternal gospel. Whoever repents and trusts in the Lord for their salvation and calls upon His name in faith is forgiven and credited with righteousness, being set apart in the Son. They are set apart, being in Christ, based on His work on the cross, who came down to earth as a man and atoned for the sins of all people.
Salvation comes by hearing and trusting the gospel, the news of God’s goodness and provision. This has been the good news since Adam and Eve left the garden. It has never changed; it has only been more fully revealed. By grace through faith, mankind is credited with righteousness and saved.
brightfame52
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That's the elect
I do not see freedom on the list.
Amos
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Ok lets fix that.
List One.
Freedom Meaning- the power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants without hindrance or restraint.
We do have "freedom of choice" when it comes to being delivered.
Freedom: Justification Applied
Formerly, when you did not know God, you were enslaved to those that by nature are not gods. But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more? (Gal. 4:8–9)
For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery. (Gal. 5:1)
Human Beings as Created Had True Freedom and Freedom of Choice. We only lost one after the fall, "True Freedom". WE still have "Freedom of Choice". That is why we are able to make the choice to believe in Jesus.
Human beings as fallen Lost True Freedom and Retained Freedom of Choice.
God, the Creator of the heavens and the earth, bestowed marvelous freedom on Adam and Eve. In order to appreciate that freedom, we must make an important distinction—between freedom of choice and what we will call true freedom. Freedom of choice is the ability of human beings to do as they wish, and for that reason it is also called the freedom of spontaneity. Adam and Eve, in fact all human beings, are created free to make choices based on their inclinations.
Some are surprised to hear that Adam and Eve’s true freedom did not consist in freedom of choice alone. True freedom is more than freedom of choice or spontaneity. Because God made Adam and Eve for himself, he made them to know, love, and serve him and each other. True freedom, therefore, is not merely the freedom to make spontaneous choices; it is also freedom of relationship with God—the ability to know, love, serve, and enjoy him—and with other human beings. God created Adam and Eve for relationship with himself (Gen. 1:26–27). Adam and Eve did not say, “Who is that walking in the garden?” (Gen. 3:8), for they knew the Lord God as their Lord and God (Gen. 2:7, 21–23).
The true freedom in which our first parents were created did not last, however, for they believed the devil’s lie and wanted to become like God. They ate the forbidden fruit, fell from original righteousness, and marred their beautiful relationship with God and each other (Gen. 3:6–8). Although they retained freedom of choice, their true freedom was lost. So when people ask whether human beings have freedom, we must ask what they mean by “freedom” and what point in biblical history they are talking about. Freedom of choice or spontaneity? Always. True freedom, freedom of relationship with God and fellow human beings? It was lost in the fall.
Robert A. Peterson, Election and Free Will: God’s Gracious Choice and Our Responsibility
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