Amos
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Depends on the size of the wall erected by Calvinists to hide the truth.
Deliverance from Calvinism
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Behold
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God Creates Christians.
Calvin creates Calvinists.
These are not the same.
Also...........................................................................................
Christians lead sinners to Jesus.
Calvinists lead Christians into Calvinism.
These are not the same.
Here is the reality..........................................................................
God is not a Calvinist
Jesus is not a Calvinist
Paul is not a Calvinist
The Bible does not teach Calvinism.
Calvin creates Calvinists.
These are not the same.
Also...........................................................................................
Christians lead sinners to Jesus.
Calvinists lead Christians into Calvinism.
These are not the same.
Here is the reality..........................................................................
God is not a Calvinist
Jesus is not a Calvinist
Paul is not a Calvinist
The Bible does not teach Calvinism.
That is funnyDepends on the size of the wall erected by Calvinists to hide the truth.
Runningman
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Calvinism is one of the worst versions of Protestantism. So I gotta shout out to you for pointing that out, but one of the things they equip seminary graduates with is to, essentially, infiltrate your organization's "churches" and gradually, step-by-step, usurp your leadership structure and the direction you all have chosen to go with your theology. It will seem like sound Biblical teachings to the untrained eye and ear, but the end goal is to replace you all with their own framework. Most pew sitters aren't Bible know-it-alls so most of you aren't prepared for highly trained militant Calvinists coming in and pretending to be normal church goers.
I have met strong Calvinist opponents who didn't realize they were Calvinist Lite. So I strongly recommend you take inventory of the things you believe, even if you feel confident you cannot and have not fallen victim to one of them. I have seen people quite shocked to find they were already following at least some of TULIP.
civic
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True it’s a real thing happening in many churches
Indeed
For scripture states dead men can repent
2 Chronicles 6:24 (LEB) — 24 “And if your people Israel are defeated before an enemy because they have sinned against you and they repent and confess your name and pray and plead before you in this house,
2 Chronicles 6:37 (LEB) — 37 but if they repent in the land where they were taken captive and repent and beg you for mercy in the land of their captivity, saying, ‘We have sinned and acted perversely and done wickedly,
Ezekiel 18:30 (LEB) — 30 “Therefore I will judge you, house of Israel, each one according to his ways,” declares the Lord Yahweh. “Repent and turn around from all of your transgression, and it will not be as a stumbling block of iniquity to you.
Ezekiel 18:32 (LEB) — 32 For I have no pleasure in the death of the dying,” declares the Lord Yahweh. “And so repent and live!”
Zechariah 1:6 (LEB) — 6 However, did not my words and my regulations which I commanded my servants the prophets overtake your ancestors? And they repented and said, ‘Yahweh of hosts planned to do with us according to our ways, and according to our deeds so he has dealt with us.’ ” ’ ”
Matthew 3:2 (LEB) — 2 and saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near!”
Matthew 4:17 (LEB) — 17 From that time on, Jesus began to preach and to say, “Repent, because the kingdom of heaven is near.”
Matthew 11:21 (LEB) — 21 “Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.
Matthew 12:41 (LEB) — 41 The people of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, because they repented at the proclamation of Jonah, and behold, something greater than Jonah is here!
Mark 1:15 (LEB) — 15 and saying, “The time is fulfilled and the kingdom of God has come near. Repent and believe in the gospel!”
Luke 11:32 (LEB) — 32 The people of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, because they repented at the proclamation of Jonah, and behold, something greater than Jonah is here!
Jeremiah 31:18-19
I have surely heard Ephraim’s moaning: ‘You disciplined me severely, like an untrained calf. Restore me, that I may return, for You are the LORD my God. / After I returned, I repented; and after I was instructed, I struck my thigh in grief. I was ashamed and humiliated because I bore the disgrace of my youth.’
Revelation 2:21–22 (LEB) — 21 And I have given her time in order to repent, and she did not want to repent from her sexual immorality. 22 Behold, I am throwing her into a sickbed and those who committed adultery with her into great affliction, unless they repent from her deeds.
men can
James 4:8-10
Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. / Grieve, mourn, and weep. Turn your laughter to mourning, and your joy to gloom. / Humble yourselves before the Lord, and He will exalt you.
return to the Lord
Isaiah 55:7
Let the wicked man forsake his way and the unrighteous man his thoughts; let him return to the LORD, that He may have compassion, and to our God, for He will freely pardon.
Choose to serve God
Joshua 24:15–22 (LEB) — 15 But if it is bad in your eyes to serve Yahweh, choose for yourselves today whom you want to serve, whether it is the gods that your ancestors served beyond the river, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my household, we will serve Yahweh.” 16 And the people answered and said, “Far be it from us that we would forsake Yahweh to serve other gods, 17 for Yahweh our God brought us and our ancestors from the land of Egypt, from the house of slavery, and did these great signs before our eyes. He protected us along the entire way that we went, and among all the peoples through whose midst we passed. 18 And Yahweh drove out all the people before us, the Amorites who live in the land. We will serve Yahweh, for he is our God.” 19 But Joshua said to the people, “You cannot serve Yahweh, for he is a holy and jealous God; he will not forgive your transgressions or your sins. 20 If you forsake Yahweh and serve foreign gods, he will turn and bring disaster to you; he will destroy you after he has done good to you.” 21 And the people said to Joshua, “No, we will serve Yahweh.” 22 And Joshua said to the people, “You are witnesses against yourselves that you have chosen for yourselves to serve Yahweh.” And they said, “We are witnesses.”
Choose life
Deuteronomy 30:11–20 (LEB) — 11 “For this commandment that I am commanding you today is not too wonderful for you, and it is not too far from you. 12 It is not in the heavens so that you might say, ‘Who will go up for us to the heavens and get it for us and cause us to hear it, so that we may do it?’ 13 And it is not beyond the sea, so that you might say, ‘Who will cross for us to the other side of the sea and take it for us and cause us to hear it, so that we may do it?’ 14 But the word is very near you, even in your mouth and in your heart, so that you may do it. 15 “See, I am setting before you today life and prosperity and death and disaster; 16 what I am commanding you today is to love Yahweh your God by going in his ways and by keeping his commandments and his statutes and his regulations, and then you will live, and you will become numerous, and Yahweh your God will bless you in the land where you are going. 17 However, if your heart turns aside and you do not listen and you are lured away and you bow down to other gods and you serve them, 18 I declare to you today that you will certainly perish; you will not extend your time on the land that you are crossing the Jordan to go there to take possession of it. 19 I invoke as a witness against you today the heaven and the earth: life and death I have set before you, blessing and curse. So choose life, so that you may live, you and your offspring, 20 by loving Yahweh your God by listening to his voice and by clinging to him, for he is your life and the length of your days in order for you to live on the land that Yahweh swore to your ancestors, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give to them.”
Isaiah 55:3 (LEB) — 3 Extend your ear, and come to me! Listen so that your soul may live, and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, the enduring proofs of the mercies shown to David.
Evasion. Try againDepends on the size of the wall erected by Calvinists to hide the truth.
Amos
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It's spot on. One try says it all. Calvinists try to build walls to hide the truth. Tear down that wall!
No faith is the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22 given when regenerated by the Spirit. Faith is a good Spiritual work or fruitof Salvation
Yes.
Only those who obey the Gospel command repent, will be saved.
Here is exactly how the scriptures teach us an unsaved person becomes saved.
that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9
Your repeated denial of this truth, only exposes you as an enemy of the truth, and a worker of iniquity.
brightfame52
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Amos
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Till he hears the Gospel message and believes it. Then asks Jesus for forgiveness and to come into to his heart.
brightfame52
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He cant while lost
Amos
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Sure He can. That's the power of the gospel
The key verse about the power of the gospel isRomans 1:16: "I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek". The gospel's power, rooted in the Greek word dunamis, is a supernatural, miracle-working force that brings salvation and transformation to believers through faith in Christ's redemption.
brightfame52
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No he cant, the Gospel is hid to them that are lost and they believe not 2 Cor 4:3-4
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
And the Gospel is the power of God not to the lost, but them that are saved 1 Cor 1:18
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Angelo
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Read your own post, Look what it truly says.
1 Corinthians 1:18 states that the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing (not believers), but to those who are being saved, it is the power of God. It means that while the death of Jesus on the cross appears absurd to the world's standards, it is the central, saving power of God for believers.
Your not a believer until you except Christ. Until then the god of this world tells you what to believe.
For those who are being saved, because of their faith in Christ, the cross is understood to be God's most powerful act.
Those who trust in Christ understand that without that powerful act, we would be lost and without hope.
Amos
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The message of the cross is the wisdom and power of God to keep the promise of John 3:16, to give eternal life to all who believe in the Son. It is also the grace of God rendering to the believer the gifts of repentance, justification, and sanctification, all of which find their meaning in Christ crucified.
brightfame52
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Not while he lost, the Gospel is hid from the lost. Likke I showed, its the power of God to them saved 1 Cor 1:18
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish/lost foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
brightfame52
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Thats lost, perishing and lost in 2 Cor 4:3 are the same word.
