Deliverance from Calvinism

[brightfame52]

That is only according to the misguided interpretation found in Calvinism

It's according to Jesus words

 

[civic]

It's according to Jesus words

Yes all can come and drink freely , Amen

 

[brightfame52]

So "If all are drawn and draw means to compel than that would make this verse to mean that everyone will come.

No it's limited to the Sheep from Jn 10

 

[brightfame52]

Yes all can come and drink freely , Amen

No only the spiritual thirsty, made so by regeneration

 

[civic]

No only the spiritual thirsty, made so by regeneration

Nope you are adding to scripture whereas I quoted it word for word .

There is a curse for adding and taking away from Gods word

 

[Angelo]

No it's limited to the Sheep from Jn 10

It's any man, no limitations.

I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture.
John 10:9

Jesus Christ presents Himself before the whole race of man, and declares Himself able to deal with the needs of every individual in the tremendous whole. ‘If any man’-no matter who, where, when.

 

[Presby02]

Ok lets fix that.

List One.
Freedom Meaning- the power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants without hindrance or restraint.
We do have "freedom of choice" when it comes to being delivered.

Freedom: Justification Applied

Formerly, when you did not know God, you were enslaved to those that by nature are not gods. But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more? (Gal. 4:8–9)

For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery. (Gal. 5:1)

Human Beings as Created Had True Freedom and Freedom of Choice. We only lost one after the fall, "True Freedom". WE still have "Freedom of Choice". That is why we are able to make the choice to believe in Jesus.

Human beings as fallen Lost True Freedom and Retained Freedom of Choice.

God, the Creator of the heavens and the earth, bestowed marvelous freedom on Adam and Eve. In order to appreciate that freedom, we must make an important distinction—between freedom of choice and what we will call true freedom. Freedom of choice is the ability of human beings to do as they wish, and for that reason it is also called the freedom of spontaneity. Adam and Eve, in fact all human beings, are created free to make choices based on their inclinations.

Some are surprised to hear that Adam and Eve’s true freedom did not consist in freedom of choice alone. True freedom is more than freedom of choice or spontaneity. Because God made Adam and Eve for himself, he made them to know, love, and serve him and each other. True freedom, therefore, is not merely the freedom to make spontaneous choices; it is also freedom of relationship with God—the ability to know, love, serve, and enjoy him—and with other human beings. God created Adam and Eve for relationship with himself (Gen. 1:26–27). Adam and Eve did not say, “Who is that walking in the garden?” (Gen. 3:8), for they knew the Lord God as their Lord and God (Gen. 2:7, 21–23).

The true freedom in which our first parents were created did not last, however, for they believed the devil’s lie and wanted to become like God. They ate the forbidden fruit, fell from original righteousness, and marred their beautiful relationship with God and each other (Gen. 3:6–8). Although they retained freedom of choice, their true freedom was lost. So when people ask whether human beings have freedom, we must ask what they mean by “freedom” and what point in biblical history they are talking about. Freedom of choice or spontaneity? Always. True freedom, freedom of relationship with God and fellow human beings? It was lost in the fall.
Robert A. Peterson, Election and Free Will: God’s Gracious Choice and Our Responsibility

Thanks. Nothing there I would take issue with.

 

[Presby02]

He came to set the captives free. He is the lamb of God who takes aways the sins of the world. He is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world.

hope this helps !!!

It should since it’s 100% scripture not my opinion.

So He took all sin away then? Even the sin of unbelief?

 

[civic]

So He took all sin away then? Even the sin of unbelief?

Read and believe the scriptures I quoted as they are self explanatory. You are reading Calvinism into them which is why you are questioning them. I use to do the same thing to divert attention to the plain meaning of the text.

hope this helps !!!

 

[brightfame52]

Nope you are adding to scripture whereas I quoted it word for word .

There is a curse for adding and taking away from Gods word

God calls the spiritual thirsty because the Spirit which regenerated them gives them a Spiritual thirst.

 

[brightfame52]

It's any man, no limitations.

It's the Sheep Jn 10 that is the limitation.

 

[Angelo]

It's the Sheep Jn 10 that is the limitation.

Try a different approach, this one you are using is not working.

It's any man, no limitations. post #386

I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture.
John 10:9

 

[brightfame52]

Try a different approach, this one you are using is not working

There's no different approach, the all in Jn 12:32 is only the Sheep Jn 10

 

[brightfame52]

I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture.
John 10:9

That's for the Sheep Jn 10 7

Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

 

[Angelo]

There's no different approach, the all in Jn 12:32 is only the Sheep Jn 10

Still not working.

The imagery of the sheep and the fold is still, of course, in His mind, and colours the form of the representation. But the substance is the declaration that, to any and every soul, no matter how ringed about with danger, no matter how hampered and hindered in work, no matter how barren of all supply earth may be, He will give all who believe in Him, the primal requisites of life. ‘He shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.’

 

[brightfame52]

Still not working.

It's not for you. May God have mercy

 

[Whosoever]

It's not for you. May God have mercy

Yes...May God have mercy on all the misguided calvinists that try to spread their false doctrine.

 

[brightfame52]

Yes...May God have mercy on all the misguided calvinists that try to spread their false doctrine.

Tulip is the Gospel and you calling it false doctrine, not good friend

 

[Whosoever]

Tulip is the Gospel and you calling it false doctrine, not good friend

Wrong and not true. Tulip is far from being the gospel.

 

[brightfame52]

Wrong and not true. Tulip is far from being the gospel.

It's true friend