praise_yeshua
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Another KJVOist?
Deliverance from Calvinism
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praise_yeshua
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Ah but the "two wills" of God are still there.... << sarcasm.
At every level, they try to "explain away" what is written with their false doctrines and traditions.
praise_yeshua
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You can alive walking and talking and be dead on the inside.
AND YOU [He made alive], when you were dead (slain) by [your] trespasses and sins
Eph 2:1.
This verse tells us that unbelievers are spiritually dead in their sins, awaiting a future judgment. This "spiritual death" does not imply they are literally dead or non-existent but rather separated from God's spiritual life due to their rejection of Christ.
Alive in Christ is the way to go.
I would say they are/were never alive. They "abide in death". This is more accurate. "Spiritual death" is a misnomer.
The new birth brings NEW life to dead people.
I wanted to talk about death in general and when I went to start a thread, I felt as if I shouldn't. It might be better to deal with this misnomer referenced by most anyone as "spiritual death".
Would that be okay with you?
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Obadiah
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Yes. Or new as in made up or inaccurate. Like all doesn't mean all only the elect.
Angelo
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Yes I would like to hear more.
Yeah, that is a strange one. That the terms "whole world," "world," "all men," "everyone," etc. can mean only some is bizarre.
civic
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A different vocabulary, dictionary , definition . They have their own meaning that’s not biblical
brightfame52
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Yeah I know what it says. Believing is the result of regeneration, spiritual life and grace given.
brightfame52
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Those are good works, you promoting salvation by works. Also only a saved regenerated man can confess Jesus as Lord by the Spirit 1 Cor 12:3
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
brightfame52
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Yes it is, its something you do, believe
brightfame52
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I believe its the most accurate translation from the orignal, the texus receptus. However I do look at other translations at times
praise_yeshua
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It is far from the most accurate. There are different editions of the TR that vary from one another. There are mistakes that feed your narrative. See them for what they are. The Geneva Bible of the Reformers is better but still has issues. If you're going to follow the "Reformers" at least be true to their Bible edition. Be consistent. King James hated Calvin because Calvin didn't believe in kings. Calvin wanted his own tyranny. Bad men fight bad men. Sometimes the best thing to do is get out of the way.
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Again you are found denying scripture
Nope faith is not a work of the law
Romans 3:28 (LEB) — 28 For we consider a person to be justified by faith apart from the works of the law.
Galatians 2:16 (LEB) — 16 but knowing that a person is not justified by the works of the law, if not by faith in Jesus Christ, and we have believed in Christ Jesus so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified.
Romans 9:30–32 (LEB) — 30 What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness—even the righteousness that is by faith. 31 But Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, did not attain to the law. 32 Why that? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if by works. They stumbled over the stone that causes people to stumble,
Philippians 3:9 (LEB) — 9 and may be found in him, not having my righteousness which is from the law, but which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God on the basis of faith
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Romans 4:1–5 (LEB) — 1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our ancestor according to the flesh, has found? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the scripture say? “And Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to the one who works, his pay is not credited according to grace, but according to his due. 5 But to the one who does not work, but who believes in the one who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited for righteousness,
FreeInChrist
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It says they already vbelieve.
By which they deny the very word of God
brightfame52
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Believing is a work an action performed
brightfame52
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Believing is the result of regeneration, spiritual life and grace given.
Actually, regeneration is the result of faith..
Colossians 2:12–13 (LEB) — 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which also you were raised together with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13 And although you were dead in the trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, he made you alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses,
John 1:12–13 (LEB) — 12 But as many as received him—to those who believe in his name—he gave to them authority to become children of God, 13 who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of a husband, but of God.
Again you are found denying scripture
Nope faith is not a work of the law
Romans 3:28 (LEB) — 28 For we consider a person to be justified by faith apart from the works of the law.
Galatians 2:16 (LEB) — 16 but knowing that a person is not justified by the works of the law, if not by faith in Jesus Christ, and we have believed in Christ Jesus so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified.
Romans 9:30–32 (LEB) — 30 What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness—even the righteousness that is by faith. 31 But Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, did not attain to the law. 32 Why that? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if by works. They stumbled over the stone that causes people to stumble,
Philippians 3:9 (LEB) — 9 and may be found in him, not having my righteousness which is from the law, but which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God on the basis of faith
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Romans 4:1–5 (LEB) — 1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our ancestor according to the flesh, has found? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the scripture say? “And Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to the one who works, his pay is not credited according to grace, but according to his due. 5 But to the one who does not work, but who believes in the one who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited for righteousness,
brightfame52
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They believed because they had been born of God. In vs 12 their believing, present tense was due to having been born of God Vs 13 a aorist tense, a completed action. Plus it tells us being born of God wasnt due to the will of man, contradicting your beliefs.
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