Deliverance from Calvinism

1 John 5:13 (LEB) — 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.
Right, he is writing to believers and gives one f the purposes as so that they may believe on the Son of God

13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
 
There are different perspectives on death in this thread. I disagree with most of them. If I start a thread on defining death in the context of Adam and Eve's experience, who would like to participate?

I don't want to happen what happened last time but I do want to meaningfully discuss this issue.

Let me know. Thanks
Sounds good to me, go for it.
 
Define dead.
nekros: Dead, deceased
Original Word: νεκρός
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: nekros
Pronunciation: nek-ros'
Phonetic Spelling: (nek-ros')
KJV: dead
NASB: dead, dead man, corpse, dead men, dead men's
Word Origin: [from an apparently primary nekus "a corpse"]

Spiritual death is not a biblical term or phrase, it is made up.

Nekros is a corpse
 

What is spiritual death?​

Death is separation. A physical death is the separation of the soul from the body. Spiritual death, which is of greater significance, is the separation of the soul from God. In Genesis 2:17, God tells Adam that in the day he eats of the forbidden fruit he will “surely die.” Adam does fall, but his physical death does not occur immediately; God must have had another type of death in mind—spiritual death. This separation from God is exactly what we see in Genesis 3:8. When Adam and Eve heard the voice of the Lord, they “hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God.” The fellowship had been broken. They were spiritually dead.

A man without Christ is spiritually dead. Paul describes it as “being alienated from the life of God” in Ephesians 4:18. (To be separated from life is the same as being dead.) The natural man, like Adam hiding in the garden, is isolated from God. When we are born again, the spiritual death is reversed. Before salvation, we are dead (spiritually), but Jesus gives us life. “And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,” (Ephesians 2:1 NKJV). “When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins” (Colossians 2:13).

To illustrate, think of Jesus’ raising of Lazarus in John 11. The physically dead Lazarus could do nothing for himself. He was unresponsive to all stimuli, oblivious to all life around him, beyond all help or hope—except for the help of Christ who is “the Resurrection and the Life” (John 11:25). At Christ’s call, Lazarus was filled with life, and he responded accordingly. In the same way, we were spiritually dead, unable to save ourselves, powerless to perceive the life of God—until Jesus called us to Himself. He “quickened” us; “not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy” (Titus 3:5).

The book of Revelation speaks of a “second death,” which is a final (and eternal) separation from God. Only those who have never experienced new life in Christ will partake of the second death (Revelation 2:11; 20:6, 14; 21:8).

Love Got?
 
There are different perspectives on death in this thread. I disagree with most of them. If I start a thread on defining death in the context of Adam and Eve's experience, who would like to participate?

I don't want to happen what happened last time but I do want to meaningfully discuss this issue.

Let me know. Thanks
I would look forward to it, thanks
 

What is spiritual death?​

Death is separation. A physical death is the separation of the soul from the body. Spiritual death, which is of greater significance, is the separation of the soul from God. In Genesis 2:17, God tells Adam that in the day he eats of the forbidden fruit he will “surely die.” Adam does fall, but his physical death does not occur immediately; God must have had another type of death in mind—spiritual death. This separation from God is exactly what we see in Genesis 3:8. When Adam and Eve heard the voice of the Lord, they “hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God.” The fellowship had been broken. They were spiritually dead.

A man without Christ is spiritually dead. Paul describes it as “being alienated from the life of God” in Ephesians 4:18. (To be separated from life is the same as being dead.) The natural man, like Adam hiding in the garden, is isolated from God. When we are born again, the spiritual death is reversed. Before salvation, we are dead (spiritually), but Jesus gives us life. “And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,” (Ephesians 2:1 NKJV). “When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins” (Colossians 2:13).

To illustrate, think of Jesus’ raising of Lazarus in John 11. The physically dead Lazarus could do nothing for himself. He was unresponsive to all stimuli, oblivious to all life around him, beyond all help or hope—except for the help of Christ who is “the Resurrection and the Life” (John 11:25). At Christ’s call, Lazarus was filled with life, and he responded accordingly. In the same way, we were spiritually dead, unable to save ourselves, powerless to perceive the life of God—until Jesus called us to Himself. He “quickened” us; “not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy” (Titus 3:5).

The book of Revelation speaks of a “second death,” which is a final (and eternal) separation from God. Only those who have never experienced new life in Christ will partake of the second death (Revelation 2:11; 20:6, 14; 21:8).

Love Got?

GOT is often wrong. In this case, they are very wrong.

I do agree that the "second death" is relative but such is after the resurrection of our bodies in Adam. That must be considered.

Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
Rom 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
Rom 14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
Rom 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

I like what Paul said about being "fully persuaded in his own mind" in verse #5 above. Romans 14:9 is also very relative to this discussion.

I'll continue in another thread and invite you. Thank you!
 
GOT is often wrong. In this case, they are very wrong.

I do agree that the "second death" is relative but such is after the resurrection of our bodies in Adam. That must be considered.

Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
Rom 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
Rom 14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
Rom 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

I like what Paul said about being "fully persuaded in his own mind" in verse #5 above. Romans 14:9 is also very relative to this discussion.

I'll continue in another thread and invite you. Thank you!
They are not always right.
 
Right, he is writing to believers and gives one f the purposes as so that they may believe on the Son of God

13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Not anywhere here.

1 John 5:13 (LEB) — 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.

1 John 5:13 (UASV) — 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.

1 John 5:13 (ESV) — 13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.

1 John 5:13 (NIV84) — 13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.

1 John 5:13 (LSB) — 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.

1 John 5:13 (NASB95) — 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
 
Did you check the Kjv
Not anywhere here.

1 John 5:13 (LEB) — 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.

1 John 5:13 (UASV) — 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.

1 John 5:13 (ESV) — 13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.

1 John 5:13 (NIV84) — 13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.

1 John 5:13 (LSB) — 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.

1 John 5:13 (NASB95) — 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
 
He can do nothing Spiritually, yup. Again, you might be getting it.
Once again

Nowhere in scripture do we read that man is first made alive so that he might believe and, as a result, gain life.

John 20:31 (KJV 1900) — 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Here, however, we see the purpose of scripture.

It is that you might believe

And as a result of believing you might have life

What one might gain cannot be what one already had
 
Who are the “whosoever” in John 3:16: “. . . that whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life”?

The statement 'whosoever believeth' excludes nobody from believing. It excludes nobody from believing.

In the Bible, "whosoever" is an archaic pronoun that means "anyone" or "any person whatever" and emphasizes the universal scope of God's offer of salvation through Jesus Christ. It indicates that God's grace and eternal life are available to everyone, regardless of their background, status, or nationality.
 
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