Daniel's 70 weeks and the Messiah

[SteveB]

I don't know many times I have to say this. Do not interpret the prophesy by uninspired sources

Mauro's method is to use only scripture to determine the events in question.

Scripture shows Cyrus was the man who God elected to give the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem

And scripture reveals Christ was the anointed at his baptism

It's that simple

It does not depend on man made dates and calenders. It does not depend on man's calculation

Then by all means, stop using Mauro and Anstey.

My last post emphasized the timing given in scripture.
Part of the problem here is that Luke uses a tie in to a pagan government official.
Giving a correlation to world/pagan sourced history.


It seems pretty clear to me that you're trying to be a purist, but ignoring the paganistic details contained in the biblical narrative.

I.e., you're straining out gnats while swallowing camels.... perhaps even elephants.

 

[TomL]

Then by all means, stop using Mauro and Anstey.

My last post emphasized the timing given in scripture.
Part of the problem here is that Luke uses a tie in to a pagan government official.
Giving a correlation to world/pagan sourced history.


It seems pretty clear to me that you're trying to be a purist, but ignoring the paganistic details contained in the biblical narrative.

I.e., you're straining out gnats while swallowing camels.... perhaps even elephants.

Again Mauro was used only for the scriptures posted

Anstey was not used at all except to respond to the idea of using man made dates and calculation which you raised

I have not seen you even attempt to define the time of the decree to restore and rebuild or the time unto the anointed one

using scripture or to address the scripture given to establish the time of Christ's anointing.

Your post is filled with appeals to calendars and calculations

scripture presented has not been dealt with

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[SteveB]

Again Mauro was used only for the scriptures posted

Anstey was not used at all except to respond to the idea of using man made dates and calculation which you raised

I have not seen you even attempt to define the time of the decree to restore and rebuild or the time unto the anointed one

using scripture or to address the scripture given to establish the time of Christ's anointing.

Your post is filled with appeals to calendars and calculations

scripture presented has not been dealt with

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Obviously not. Because you keep using him to validate your opinions, but give nothing to show why he's reliable.

I used scripture, but you clearly ignored it, and you're ignoring the fact that pagan information is contained in the scripture.

 

[SteveB]

This topic of chronology apparently has at least one person fired up... pagan versus inspired.

Ussher was mentioned as pagan, even though he was a bishop.
Looking at Wikipedia's article on the topic, apparently the following people were engaged in studying biblical chronology.
Isaac Newton (one of the discoverers of Calculus, of the Laws of Gravity, his book on Opticks, and other studies)
Martin Luther (yeah, the guy who nailed the 95 theses to the church door at Wittenberg.)

 

[Doug Brents]

I've seen it calculated many ways. There is one compelling argument that all 70 week have passed, and in the midst of the 70th week, sacrifice and offering stopped when Jesus was crucified and the curtains separating the holy of holies was torn in two from top to bottom. If so, then where does that leave people who believe the 70th week is in the future?

Personally, I'm open to the idea that the 70th week occurred in the past as a TYPE, and we will see future week of years fulfilled, in the midst of which the man of sin will be revealed and the great tribulation will begin. That makes more sense to me than there being a 2,000+ gap between the 69th and 70th week. But I'm also content with the notion that we won't know until/unless we experience the 70th or that we just won't know this side of heaven.

Christ began His ministry at the beginning of the 70th week. He was cut off in the middle of that week. And the Jews were scattered and the Gospel given to the Gentiles around the end of 70th week.

I believe we are currently in the great tribulation, and that it will continue right up to the second coming when this entire universe (all the physical creation) will be wiped out and destroyed by fire, the righteous dead will be resurrected and go to Heaven with Jesus. Then the wedding feast (the thousand years) will occur in Heaven. Then the evil dead will be resurrected and the final defeat of Satan will occur and evil will be sent to hell forever.

 

[SteveB]

Christ began His ministry at the beginning of the 70th week. He was cut off in the middle of that week. And the Jews were scattered and the Gospel given to the Gentiles around the end of 70th week.

Ok. Why would this be the case?
What basis are you using to determine this?

I believe we are currently in the great tribulation,

ok. Why? What terms are you using to validate this?

and that it will continue right up to the second coming when this entire universe (all the physical creation) will be wiped out and destroyed by fire, the righteous dead will be resurrected and go to Heaven with Jesus. Then the wedding feast (the thousand years) will occur in Heaven. Then the evil dead will be resurrected and the final defeat of Satan will occur and evil will be sent to hell forever.

Curious..
And what is the basis you're using for these ideas to be valid?

 

[TomL]

Obviously not. Because you keep using him to validate your opinions, but give nothing to show why he's reliable.

I used scripture, but you clearly ignored it, and you're ignoring the fact that pagan information is contained in the scripture.

Again I am not touting him but scripture

Can you establish your starting point from scripture?

Can you establish the time the anointed one is revealed from scripture?

 

[SteveB]

Again I am not touting him but scripture

Looks otherwise to me.

Can you establish your starting point from scripture?

Post in thread 'Daniel's 70 weeks and the Messiah' https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/daniels-70-weeks-and-the-messiah.1191/post-54704

Can you establish the time the anointed one is revealed from scripture?

Post in thread 'Daniel's 70 weeks and the Messiah' https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/daniels-70-weeks-and-the-messiah.1191/post-54704

 

[TomL]

Looks otherwise to me.

Post in thread 'Daniel's 70 weeks and the Messiah' https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/daniels-70-weeks-and-the-messiah.1191/post-54704

Post in thread 'Daniel's 70 weeks and the Messiah' https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/daniels-70-weeks-and-the-messiah.1191/post-54704

Then you need to read closer and examine the scriptures quoted.

 

[SteveB]

Again I am not touting him but scripture

Can you establish your starting point from scripture?

Can you establish the time the anointed one is revealed from scripture?

Regarding your calvinism response...

Post in thread 'Calvinism : = Hellish' https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/calvinism-hellish.1247/post-54760

My eschatology is Calvary Chapel sourced too, in that I was attending Calvary Chapel when I began studying the Bible, and they were teaching eschatology.

 

[SteveB]

Then you need to read closer and examine the scriptures quoted.

How close do you think I need to see them?

I thought they were pretty closely examined for the past several decades I'd been reading them, and seeing the points.

 

[Doug Brents]

Please note, I have not read any of this thread, other than a couple of the posts on the first page. So please forgive me if I address things that have already been covered by others. The comments here are my own from my study of the Word of God. They do not fit with any of the pretrib, posttrib, atrib, or whatever camps completely.

Ok. Why would this be the case?
What basis are you using to determine this?

“Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the wrongdoing, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for guilt, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy Place. 25 So you are to know and understand that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, until Messiah the Prince, there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with streets and moat, even in times of distress. 26 Then after the sixty-two weeks, the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined. 27 And he will confirm a covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come the one who makes desolate, until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, gushes forth on the one who makes desolate.” Dan 9:24-27
We start with 70 weeks, then 7 weeks pass, then another 62 weeks pass, then the coming of the Messiah. So after 69 weeks, Messiah arrives (begins His ministry). His ministry we know lasted three and a half years (approximately). That would put us in the middle of the 70th week when He died (was cut off). This event will put an end to all sacrifice and grain offering (the purpose behind it if not the actual acts themselves). During the first half of that week He will confirm a covenant with the many (the New Covenant). And then Satan and His minions will perform abominations until at some point in the future (one that is decreed) they are completely wiped out at the second coming.
The 62 weeks are not separated from the 7 by some large gap of time; the 62 weeks follow directly upon the heels of the 7 weeks. I believe that the 70th week does the same on the heels of the 62.
Another clue to the time line is that the "wise men from the east" who came to worship Jesus shortly after His birth were anticipating His arrival. I believe that they were basically seers and advisers in the same position that Daniel would have worked with in Babylon and Persia. They would have had the king's records of Daniel's vision and would have calculated the time to around the 484th year. And when they saw the sign in the sky in about the 454th year, they could have understood it to be the birth announcement of the king (Messiah) that was prophecied. (Yes, this is supposition, but I believe it fits the narrative. I do not teach this as truth, only as a possibility of what the Biblical evidence suggests.)

ok. Why? What terms are you using to validate this?

I believe that all of the prophecies leading up to the second coming have been fulfilled. I believe this because there is evidence in Scripture that the people were anticipating Jesus return during their lifetimes (2 Pet 3:3-9). And if they were anticipating His return even then, then all the prophecies that lead up to His return must have been fulfilled even then (as early as 70AD, I believe).

Curious..
And what is the basis you're using for these ideas to be valid?

These details I find in Rev 19-21, and are supported by 2 Pet 3:7-13.

 

[SteveB]

Please note, I have not read any of this thread, other than a couple of the posts on the first page.

Fair enough.
that's how I came into the topic. Responding solely to the very first post.

So please forgive me if I address things that have already been covered by others.

I've been having a specific conversation with a specific person about it, so i hadn't read through everything either.

The comments here are my own from my study of the Word of God. They do not fit with any of the pretrib, posttrib, atrib, or whatever camps completely.

ok. Good to know. It's easy to get pegged into a specific camp, so I appreciate you stating that.

“Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the wrongdoing, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for guilt, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy Place. 25 So you are to know and understand that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, until Messiah the Prince, there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with streets and moat, even in times of distress. 26 Then after the sixty-two weeks, the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined. 27 And he will confirm a covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come the one who makes desolate, until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, gushes forth on the one who makes desolate.” Dan 9:24-27
We start with 70 weeks, then 7 weeks pass, then another 62 weeks pass, then the coming of the Messiah. So after 69 weeks, Messiah arrives (begins His ministry).

ok, but it's not saying the Messiah will come after the 69th seven. It's saying he will be cut off after the 69th seven.
In the Hebrew, what gets translated as week is actually Shabua.

H7620 search
Original: שׁבעה שׁבע שׁבוּע

Transliteration: shâbûa‛ shâbûa‛ shebû‛âh

Phonetic: shaw-boo'-ah

BDB Definition:

seven, period of seven (days or years), heptad, week
period of seven days, a week
Feast of Weeks
heptad, seven (of years)

The trading of days for years is sourced from Numbers 14:34, and Ezekiel 4:4-6

His ministry we know lasted three and a half years (approximately). That would put us in the middle of the 70th week when He died (was cut off).

Ok. That breaks down when noting that He's cut off, after the 69th seven.
This means that at the least, his ministry starts during the latter part of the 62 sevens, or after the 62 sevens is completed. I.e., 69th seven.

I am in the pretrib camp. One of the elements of this is that he began preaching in the last 3 years of the 62 sevens... i.e., during the 69th seven, the date of his arrival in Jerusalem was the 10th of Nisan, and rode in on a donkey, as stated in Zechariah 9:9.


Zec 9:9 WEB Rejoice greatly, daughter of Zion! Shout, daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your King comes to you! He is righteous, and having salvation; lowly, and riding on a donkey, even on a colt, the foal of a donkey.

Aka, Palm Sunday.

The 10th of Nisan is based on Exodus 12, where Moses received the command by God to bring a lamb into the house on the 10th of Nisan and then examine it for 4 days for defects, after which it's to be killed, and the blood sprinkled on the door posts/lintel.
Also, John 1:29, where John the Baptizer called Jesus "the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. "

 

[SteveB]

This event will put an end to all sacrifice and grain offering (the purpose behind it if not the actual acts themselves).

are you aware that the Temple was still in existence until 70 AD, when the Roman general, Titus came in and destroyed it?

During the first half of that week He will confirm a covenant with the many (the New Covenant). And then Satan and His minions will perform abominations until at some point in the future (one that is decreed) they are completely wiped out at the second coming.

The passage says-
Dan 9:26 KJV And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

This is another people. It's not Jesus being talked about.

The 62 weeks are not separated from the 7 by some large gap of time; the 62 weeks follow directly upon the heels of the 7 weeks.

I'd agree with this.

I believe that the 70th week does the same on the heels of the 62.

do you have any evidence or corroboration for this?

Another clue to the time line is that the "wise men from the east" who came to worship Jesus shortly after His birth were anticipating His arrival.

yep. It's believed among some that they were part of a group that Daniel began.

I believe that they were basically seers and advisers in the same position that Daniel would have worked with in Babylon and Persia. They would have had the king's records of Daniel's vision and would have calculated the time to around the 484th year. And when they saw the sign in the sky in about the 454th year, they could have understood it to be the birth announcement of the king (Messiah) that was prophecied. (Yes, this is supposition, but I believe it fits the narrative. I do not teach this as truth, only as a possibility of what the Biblical evidence suggests.)

ok. There are a number of books written about this idea.

I believe that all of the prophecies leading up to the second coming have been fulfilled.

what about the rebuilding of the Temple?
it's stated in Malachi 3 that He'd come to the Temple.

Mal 3:1 WEB “Behold, I send my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me! The Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to his temple. Behold, the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, is coming!” says Yahweh of Armies.

So, the temple must be rebuilt before He comes.

I believe this because there is evidence in Scripture that the people were anticipating Jesus return during their lifetimes (2 Pet 3:3-9).

yep.

And if they were anticipating His return even then, then all the prophecies that lead up to His return must have been fulfilled even then (as early as 70AD, I believe).

These details I find in Rev 19-21, and are supported by 2 Pet 3:7-13.

There's so much more than merely these.
Remember, Jesus is the Messiah of Israel. So everything discussed regarding the Messiah is contained "in the volume of the book..." psalm 40.

Luk 24:24-27 WEB 24 Some of us went to the tomb and found it just like the women had said, but they didn’t see him.” 25 He said to them, “Foolish people, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Didn’t the Christ have to suffer these things and to enter into his glory?” 27 Beginning from Moses and from all the prophets, he explained to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.

 

[TomL]

How close do you think I need to see them?

I thought they were pretty closely examined for the past several decades I'd been reading them, and seeing the points.

Having read what i wrote you should have seen Christ was revealed as the anointed one at his baptism

But why don't you tell us what is the starting point which you selected and why?

The decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem?

 

[Doug Brents]

Fair enough.
that's how I came into the topic. Responding solely to the very first post.
I've been having a specific conversation with a specific person about it, so i hadn't read through everything either.
ok. Good to know. It's easy to get pegged into a specific camp, so I appreciate you stating that.

ok, but it's not saying the Messiah will come after the 69th seven. It's saying he will be cut off after the 69th seven.
In the Hebrew, what gets translated as week is actually Shabua.

H7620 search
Original: שׁבעה שׁבע שׁבוּע

Transliteration: shâbûa‛ shâbûa‛ shebû‛âh

Phonetic: shaw-boo'-ah

BDB Definition:

seven, period of seven (days or years), heptad, week
period of seven days, a week
Feast of Weeks
heptad, seven (of years)

The trading of days for years is sourced from Numbers 14:34, and Ezekiel 4:4-6

Correct, the seven is taken to be a week of days or years, and that leads us to the 490 years in the 70 sevens. In verse 26, we are told that "Then after the sixty-two weeks, the Messiah will be cut off", but we are given more information in verse 27 we are told, "And he will confirm a covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering". In the middle of the 70th seven would be after the 62 sevens. Thus, there is no contradiction in moving Him being cut off to the middle of the 70th seven instead of putting it at the very beginning of the last seven.

Ok. That breaks down when noting that He's cut off, after the 69th seven.
This means that at the least, his ministry starts during the latter part of the 62 sevens, or after the 62 sevens is completed. I.e., 69th seven.

I am in the pretrib camp. One of the elements of this is that he began preaching in the last 3 years of the 62 sevens... i.e., during the 69th seven, the date of his arrival in Jerusalem was the 10th of Nisan, and rode in on a donkey, as stated in Zechariah 9:9.


Zec 9:9 WEB Rejoice greatly, daughter of Zion! Shout, daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your King comes to you! He is righteous, and having salvation; lowly, and riding on a donkey, even on a colt, the foal of a donkey.

Aka, Palm Sunday.

The 10th of Nisan is based on Exodus 12, where Moses received the command by God to bring a lamb into the house on the 10th of Nisan and then examine it for 4 days for defects, after which it's to be killed, and the blood sprinkled on the door posts/lintel.
Also, John 1:29, where John the Baptizer called Jesus "the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. "

Absolutely. Jesus came into Jerusalem on the Sunday just before Passover, which I believe started on Friday (being a High sabbath (John 19:31)), meaning that both Friday and Saturday were sabbaths. Thus, the Last Supper would have been on Wednesday evening, and He was crucified on Thursday and laid in a tomb before sundown that day. This allows Him to be in the grave "three days and three nights" as Matt 12:40 says.

But as noted above, for Him to put an end to the sacrifice (which is represented by the tearing of the veil between the Holy Place and the Holy of Holies) in the middle of the last seven, His ministry of three and a half years would have begun after the 62 sevens ended. And then the last three and a half years would have been the time when the Apostles were preaching from Jerusalem before they were scattered by Saul.

 

[Doug Brents]

are you aware that the Temple was still in existence until 70 AD, when the Roman general, Titus came in and destroyed it?

I am, and that is why I said it eliminated the reason for the sacrifice. The Jewish priesthood and other leaders continued to make sacrifice in the Temple for another 35 or 37 years, but their sacrifices were meaningless because THE SACRIFICE "once for all" had already been made, and there was no more need for sacrifices in the Temple (as evidenced by the tearing of the veil in the temple as Christ died).

The passage says-
Dan 9:26 KJV And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

This is another people. It's not Jesus being talked about.

The Messiah is Jesus Christ (Greek) (Messiah- Hebrew). The "people of the prince who is to come" are the people following Satan, and they come (in 70AD) and destroy the city and the sanctuary (the Temple). These are events that occur after the 70 sevens, but that detail is not given in this prophecy.

I'd agree with this.
do you have any evidence or corroboration for this?

Yes, Dan 9:26 says that after the 62 sevens the Messiah will be cut off. But then in verse 27 it says that He will confirm a covenant (the New Covenant) with the many for one week and in the middle of that week He will put an end to the sacrifice (because His own will take their place).

yep. It's believed among some that they were part of a group that Daniel began.
ok. There are a number of books written about this idea.

Thank you.

what about the rebuilding of the Temple?
it's stated in Malachi 3 that He'd come to the Temple.

Mal 3:1 WEB “Behold, I send my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me! The Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to his temple. Behold, the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, is coming!” says Yahweh of Armies.

So, the temple must be rebuilt before He comes.

The Temple being rebuilt was a predictor of His first coming. Mal 3 is either a prophecy of Jesus coming to the Temple during His first coming, or it is a reference to His coming to us, because we (our bodies) are the temple of the NT (1 Cor 6:19). I believe it is the former. The "messenger" before Him is a reference to John, and the Lord is the "messenger of the [New] covenant" is Christ during His incarnation.

yep.

There's so much more than merely these.
Remember, Jesus is the Messiah of Israel. So everything discussed regarding the Messiah is contained "in the volume of the book..." psalm 40.

Luk 24:24-27 WEB 24 Some of us went to the tomb and found it just like the women had said, but they didn’t see him.” 25 He said to them, “Foolish people, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Didn’t the Christ have to suffer these things and to enter into his glory?” 27 Beginning from Moses and from all the prophets, he explained to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.

Absolutely, I was just listing a couple of places which point the complete destruction of this universe at His second coming. There will not be a physical universe after He comes for the "Left Behind" scenario to take place, I don't think so anyway.

 

[TomL]

Absolutely, I was just listing a couple of places which point the complete destruction of this universe at His second coming. There will not be a physical universe after He comes for the "Left Behind" scenario to take place, I don't think so anyway.

Christ coming ushers in a new heaven and a new earth

2 Peter 3:7–13 (NASB 2020) — 7 But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly people. 8 But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day. 9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not willing for any to perish, but for all to come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be discovered. 11 Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat! 13 But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.

 

[SteveB]

Having read what i wrote you should have seen Christ was revealed as the anointed one at his baptism

I can see that he's subsequently driven by the Holy Spirit into the wilderness for 40 days as preparation for service to God.
I can further see that several times he tells people he heals not to utter a word to anyone about his healing them.
I then see that on the day he enters Jerusalem on the back of a donkey the religious leaders are up in arms about the people hailing him as the Son of David, and demand he silence the people. I see further still that he responds with:

If they were silenced, the rocks would cry out.

That leaves me with the question of-- why would the rocks cry out on THAT DAY, but have remained silent on previous days?

In light of all the passages regarding the coming of the Messiah, I'd say that particular day is the day of His revelation to Israel.

But why don't you tell us what is the starting point which you selected and why?

See above.

The decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem?

Whose decree?
Cyrus', Artexerxes', Darius'?

 

[Doug Brents]

Christ coming ushers in a new heaven and a new earth

2 Peter 3:7–13 (NASB 2020) — 7 But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly people. 8 But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day. 9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not willing for any to perish, but for all to come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be discovered. 11 Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat! 13 But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.

Not immediately. This is discussing the time that Rev 20 and 21 discuss, and there we see that the coming of the Lord brings about the destruction we find here in 2 Peter, but then there is a "thousand years" (which I believe is purely symbolic of a very long time) during which the wedding celebration for Christ (the Groom) and the Church (the bride) occurs. Then, after that celebration, the evil dead are resurrected along with Satan and Jesus leads the army that conquers him and sends him and all the evil ones to the lake of fire for eternity. Then the New Earth and the New Jerusalem will be formed and the righteous will live in them.