Comparing Calvinism, Arminianism, and Molinism

Sorry sir, not one of those proof texts say what your claiming they do.

Is the Gospel preached to everyone? Then why can't you at least admit (based upon your own beliefs) that it is the primary cause of God that the Gospel be preached to everyone.....

Did the Devil/Satan place in the heart of preachers to preach the Gospel to everyone?
 
No scripture for that assumption

Yep.

Act 17:30 Therefore, although God has overlooked such times of ignorance, he now commands all people everywhere to repent,

Seems rather obvious to me. All people...... EVERYWHERE.... based upon the fact that "God overlooked such times of ignorance".......

God doesn't want anyone ignorant. ANYONE.
 
Everyone rejects the gospel. Until God decides otherwise
So much then of Jesus being grieved because people wouldn't come to him to receive LIFE. I guess all his grief then was just put on. Lk 19:41/Matt 23:37

So that's quite a theology our Calvinist friends bring forth....Jesus was play acting here....he was play acting there, and here and there and here......we'll tell you when he was REALLY being serious. I think all better stay with he was always serious about everything and if you have to change your doctrines to accommodate Jesus then you just better do it.
 
Yep.

Act 17:30 Therefore, although God has overlooked such times of ignorance, he now commands all people everywhere to repent,

Seems rather obvious to me. All people...... EVERYWHERE.... based upon the fact that "God overlooked such times of ignorance".......

God doesn't want anyone ignorant. ANYONE.
You are blind can’t you see it said all the elect everywhere to repent, not all people everywhere lol
 
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So much then of Jesus being grieved because people wouldn't come to him to receive LIFE. I guess all his grief then was just put on. Lk 19:41/Matt 23:37

So that's quite a theology our Calvinist friends bring forth....Jesus was play acting here....he was play acting there, and here and there and here......we'll tell you when he was REALLY being serious. I think all better stay with he was always serious about everything and if you have to change your doctrines to accommodate Jesus then you just better do it.
What does Jesus know after all I mean isn’t Calvin right and Jesus wrong.

Jesus must be powerless to change their hearts or they really have an actual choice which is up to them to make.
 
So much then of Jesus being grieved because people wouldn't come to him to receive LIFE. I guess all his grief then was just put on. Lk 19:41/Matt 23:37

So that's quite a theology our Calvinist friends bring forth....Jesus was play acting here....he was play acting there, and here and there and here......we'll tell you when he was REALLY being serious. I think all better stay with he was always serious about everything and if you have to change your doctrines to accommodate Jesus then you just better do it.
Worse Calvinism makes God and Christ disingenuous.

One cannot take their word at face value if one believes in Calvinism

For while claiming to love, They may actually be determining to damn
 
Is the Gospel preached to everyone? Then why can't you at least admit (based upon your own beliefs) that it is the primary cause of God that the Gospel be preached to everyone.....

Did the Devil/Satan place in the heart of preachers to preach the Gospel to everyone?
The answer is no. Not everyone has heard the gospel.
 
So much then of Jesus being grieved because people wouldn't come to him to receive LIFE. I guess all his grief then was just put on. Lk 19:41/Matt 23:37

So that's quite a theology our Calvinist friends bring forth....Jesus was play acting here....he was play acting there, and here and there and here......we'll tell you when he was REALLY being serious. I think all better stay with he was always serious about everything and if you have to change your doctrines to accommodate Jesus then you just better do it.
So because He is grieved that equals ability? You must do better.
 
"no one understands, no seeks after God"

"no one can come unless he us drawn".........
Men were drawn by the word of God to Christ however that word was heard

John 6:45 (KJV 1900) — 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me

John 5:45–47 (KJV 1900) — 45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. 46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

John 1:6–7 (KJV 1900) — 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

John 8:42 (KJV 1900) — 42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.


after the cross

John 12:32 (KJV 1900) — 32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
 
"no one understands, no seeks after God"
seeking God

Acts‬ 17:26-27: From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out to him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us.‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬



Isaiah‬ 55:6-7: Seek the LORD while He may be found; call upon Him while He is near. Let the wicked forsake his way And the unrighteous man his thoughts; And let him return to the LORD, And He will have compassion on him, And to our God, for He will abundantly pardon.



Zephaniah‬ 2:3: Seek the LORD, all you humble of the land, you who do what he commands. Seek righteousness, seek humility; perhaps you will be sheltered on the day of the LORD’S anger. ‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬



Psalms‬ 83:16: Fill their faces with dishonor, That they may seek Your name, O LORD.



‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬ ‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬2 Chronicles‬ 20:3‬: Jehoshaphat was afraid and turned his attention to seek the LORD, and proclaimed a fast throughout all Judah. ‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬ ‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬



Luke‬ 12:30-31: For all these things the nations of the world eagerly seek; but your Father knows that you need these things. But seek His kingdom, and these things will be added to you. ‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬



Hosea 5:15 (KJV) — 15 I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.



Isaiah 45:19–20 (NASB 2020) — 19 “I have not spoken in secret, In some dark land; I did not say to the offspring of Jacob, ‘Seek Me in a wasteland’; I, the LORD, speak righteousness, Declaring things that are right. 20 “Gather yourselves and come; Come together, you survivors of the nations! They have no knowledge, Who carry around their wooden idol And pray to a god who cannot save.



Jeremiah 29:12–14 (NASB 2020) — 12 Then you will call upon Me and come and pray to Me, and I will listen to you. 13 And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. 14 I will let Myself be found by you,’ declares the LORD, ‘and I will restore your fortunes and gather you from all the nations and all the places where I have driven you,’ declares the LORD, ‘and I will bring you back to the place from where I sent you into exile.’


Deuteronomy 4:29 (ESV) — 29 But from there you will seek the LORD your God and you will find him, if you search after him with all your heart and with all your soul.

2 Chronicles 11:16 (ESV) — 16 And those who had set their hearts to seek the LORD God of Israel came after them from all the tribes of Israel to Jerusalem to sacrifice to the LORD, the God of their fathers.

2 Chronicles 19:3 (ESV) — 3 Nevertheless, some good is found in you, for you destroyed the Asheroth out of the land, and have set your heart to seek God.”

2 Chronicles 20:3 (ESV) — 3 Then Jehoshaphat was afraid and set his face to seek the LORD, and proclaimed a fast throughout all Judah.

2 Chronicles 20:4 (ESV) — 4 And Judah assembled to seek help from the LORD; from all the cities of Judah they came to seek the LORD.

2 Chronicles 34:3 (ESV) — 3 For in the eighth year of his reign, while he was yet a boy, he began to seek the God of David his father, and in the twelfth year he began to purge Judah and Jerusalem of the high places, the Asherim, and the carved and the metal images.

Isaiah 58:2 (ESV) — 2 Yet they seek me daily and delight to know my ways, as if they were a nation that did righteousness and did not forsake the judgment of their God; they ask of me righteous judgments; they delight to draw near to God.
 
seeking God

Acts‬ 17:26-27: From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out to him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us.‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬



Isaiah‬ 55:6-7: Seek the LORD while He may be found; call upon Him while He is near. Let the wicked forsake his way And the unrighteous man his thoughts; And let him return to the LORD, And He will have compassion on him, And to our God, for He will abundantly pardon.



Zephaniah‬ 2:3: Seek the LORD, all you humble of the land, you who do what he commands. Seek righteousness, seek humility; perhaps you will be sheltered on the day of the LORD’S anger. ‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬



Psalms‬ 83:16: Fill their faces with dishonor, That they may seek Your name, O LORD.



‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬ ‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬2 Chronicles‬ 20:3‬: Jehoshaphat was afraid and turned his attention to seek the LORD, and proclaimed a fast throughout all Judah. ‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬ ‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬



Luke‬ 12:30-31: For all these things the nations of the world eagerly seek; but your Father knows that you need these things. But seek His kingdom, and these things will be added to you. ‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬



Hosea 5:15 (KJV) — 15 I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.



Isaiah 45:19–20 (NASB 2020) — 19 “I have not spoken in secret, In some dark land; I did not say to the offspring of Jacob, ‘Seek Me in a wasteland’; I, the LORD, speak righteousness, Declaring things that are right. 20 “Gather yourselves and come; Come together, you survivors of the nations! They have no knowledge, Who carry around their wooden idol And pray to a god who cannot save.



Jeremiah 29:12–14 (NASB 2020) — 12 Then you will call upon Me and come and pray to Me, and I will listen to you. 13 And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. 14 I will let Myself be found by you,’ declares the LORD, ‘and I will restore your fortunes and gather you from all the nations and all the places where I have driven you,’ declares the LORD, ‘and I will bring you back to the place from where I sent you into exile.’


Deuteronomy 4:29 (ESV) — 29 But from there you will seek the LORD your God and you will find him, if you search after him with all your heart and with all your soul.

2 Chronicles 11:16 (ESV) — 16 And those who had set their hearts to seek the LORD God of Israel came after them from all the tribes of Israel to Jerusalem to sacrifice to the LORD, the God of their fathers.

2 Chronicles 19:3 (ESV) — 3 Nevertheless, some good is found in you, for you destroyed the Asheroth out of the land, and have set your heart to seek God.”

2 Chronicles 20:3 (ESV) — 3 Then Jehoshaphat was afraid and set his face to seek the LORD, and proclaimed a fast throughout all Judah.

2 Chronicles 20:4 (ESV) — 4 And Judah assembled to seek help from the LORD; from all the cities of Judah they came to seek the LORD.

2 Chronicles 34:3 (ESV) — 3 For in the eighth year of his reign, while he was yet a boy, he began to seek the God of David his father, and in the twelfth year he began to purge Judah and Jerusalem of the high places, the Asherim, and the carved and the metal images.

Isaiah 58:2 (ESV) — 2 Yet they seek me daily and delight to know my ways, as if they were a nation that did righteousness and did not forsake the judgment of their God; they ask of me righteous judgments; they delight to draw near to God.
"no one understands, no one seeks after God"

"no on can come to me unless"........

Texts that actually deal with ability. It does not have to be assumed
 
Men were drawn by the word of God to Christ however that word was heard

John 6:45 (KJV 1900) — 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me

John 5:45–47 (KJV 1900) — 45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. 46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

John 1:6–7 (KJV 1900) — 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

John 8:42 (KJV 1900) — 42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.


after the cross

John 12:32 (KJV 1900) — 32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
"no one understands". How does one understand? It is God who gives eyes to see and ears to hear. It is the Spirit that gives understanding to the things of God. 1 Corinthians 2
 
So because He is grieved that equals ability? You must do better.
What? I was talking about Jesus being grieved because people wouldn't receive LIFE. Your words reflect that you thought I was taking about a sinner being grieved. You said I must do better? Forgive me but I think you need to do ALOT LOT better at reading a post. Did you just read 1 or 2 words and rush in to comment? Seems that's what you did.
 
What? I was talking about Jesus being grieved because people wouldn't receive LIFE. Your words reflect that you thought I was taking about a sinner being grieved. You said I must do better? Forgive me but I think you need to do ALOT LOT better at reading a post. Did you just read 1 or 2 words and rush in to comment? Seems that's what you did.
Okay, He was grieved because people wouldn't receive life. And?

If I misunderstood I am sorry.
 
Isaiah‬ 55:6-7: Seek the LORD while He may be found; call upon Him while He is near.
So much one could unpack from this. Seek the Lord while he may be found and call upon him while he is near. If Calvinism were true that would be a given that they would call upon him while he is near for God would have ordained they would have. So what's this implied if you wait too long you may miss your opportunity? This is all speaking of man's free will and doing things of his own volition. This speaks the opposite of God choosing by ordaining what they will do.

 
So much one could unpack from this. Seek the Lord while he may be found and call upon him while he is near. If Calvinism were true that would be a given that they would call upon him while he is near for God would have ordained they would have. So what's this implied if you wait too long you may miss your opportunity? This is all speaking of man's free will and doing things of his own volition. This speaks the opposite of God choosing by ordaining what they will do.

Determination is contrary to much of what appears in scripture. God is frequently seen as regretful, hurt, greived, disappointed, angered by the actions of mankind. What sense would that make if he was determining their acts

Jer. 3:19 “ ‘I said,
How I would set you among my sons,
and give you a pleasant land,
a heritage most beautiful of all nations.
And I thought you would call me, My Father,
and would not turn from following me.
20 Surely, as a treacherous wife leaves her husband,
so have you been treacherous to me, O house of Israel,
declares the LORD.’”

Is. 48:17 Thus says the LORD,
your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel:
“I am the LORD your God,
who teaches you to profit,
who leads you in the way you should go.
18 Oh that you had paid attention to my commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
and your righteousness like the waves of the sea;
19 your offspring would have been like the sand,
and your descendants like its grains;
their name would never be cut off
or destroyed from before me.”

Is. 65:11 But you who forsake the LORD,
who forget my holy mountain,
who set a table for Fortune
and fill cups of mixed wine for Destiny,
12 I will destine you to the sword,
and all of you shall bow down to the slaughter,
because, when I called, you did not answer;
when I spoke, you did not listen,
but you did what was evil in my eyes
and chose what I did not delight in.”

Luke 7:30 but the Pharisees and the lawyers rejected the purpose of God for themselves, not having been baptized by him.)

Deut. 5:28 “And the LORD heard your words, when you spoke to me. And the LORD said to me, ‘I have heard the words of this people, which they have spoken to you. They are right in all that they have spoken. 29 Oh that they had such a heart as this always, to fear me and to keep all my commandments, that it might go well with them and with their descendants forever! 30 Go and say to them, “Return to your tents.” 31 But you, stand here by me, and I will tell you the whole commandment and the statutes and the rules that you shall teach them, that they may do them in the land that I am giving them to possess.’ 32 You shall be careful therefore to do as the LORD your God has commanded you. You shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left. 33 You shall walk in all the way that the LORD your God has commanded you, that you may live, and that it may go well with you, and that you may live long in the land that you shall possess.

Jer. 18:7 If at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom, that I will pluck up and break down and destroy it, 8 and if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, turns from its evil, I will relent of the disaster that I intended to do to it. 9 And if at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom that I will build and plant it, 10 and if it does evil in my sight, not listening to my voice, then I will relent of the good that I had intended to do to it. 11 Now, therefore, say to the men of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem: ‘Thus says the LORD, Behold, I am shaping disaster against you and devising a plan against you. Return, every one from his evil way, and amend your ways and your deeds.’ 12 “But they say, ‘That is in vain! We will follow our own plans, and will every one act according to the stubbornness of his evil heart.’

Jer. 18:13 “Therefore thus says the LORD:
Ask among the nations,
Who has heard the like of this?
The virgin Israel
has done a very horrible thing.
14 Does the snow of Lebanon leave
the crags of Sirion?
Do the mountain waters run dry,
the cold flowing streams?
15 But my people have forgotten me;
they make offerings to false gods;
they made them stumble in their ways,
in the ancient roads,
and to walk into side roads,
not the highway,
16 making their land a horror,
a thing to be hissed at forever.
Everyone who passes by it is horrified
and shakes his head.

Jer. 7:31 And they have built the high places of Topheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, which I did not command, nor did it come into my mind.

Jer. 19:5 and have built the high places of Baal to burn their sons in the fire as burnt offerings to Baal, which I did not command or decree, nor did it come into my mind—

Jer. 32:35 They built the high places of Baal in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to offer up their sons and daughters to Molech, though I did not command them, nor did it enter into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.
 
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