Alter2Ego
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Now, when are you going to explain to all of those reading this thread how Jesus' "priority in time" or "supremacy in rank" changes the fact that the scripture at Colossians 1:15 assigns the word "born" and the word "creation" to him?
"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. (Colossians 1:15 -- World English Bible)
When are you going to explain the rest of the paragraph that REFUTES your misinterpretation of the words that I have explained twice?
Colossians 1:15-17 [WEB]
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are upon earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
How can Jesus be BORN and CREATED and still …
- “by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are upon earth, visible and invisible”
- Did Jesus create himself? You claim that Jesus was created and that Jesus created ALL THINGS, so that must mean Jesus created himself? Right?
- “all things were created by him, and for him”
- Were angels created FOR Jesus? The Holy Spirit created FOR Jesus? Who owns creation, GOD or Jesus? It says Jesus does …
- “he is beforeall things”
- Just like I told you … before any created thing was created, Jesus existed.
atpollard:
A created being cannot create. Got that? You are quoting from a Bible that was translated by Trinitarians. Those persons deliberately manipulated scripture in their attempt at promoting Christendom's 3-prong god.
NOTHING was created by Jesus. The correct translation is as follows, and I will quote first from the New World Translation published by Jehovah's Witnesses, folloed by three Trinitarian Bibles where the Trinitarian translators managed to get it right. Focus on the words bolded in red.
"because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him." (Colossians 1:16 -- New World Translation)
TRINITARIAN BIBLES ARE DIRECTLY BELOW:
"And through him were created all things that are in heaven, and on earth, visible and invisible; whether imperial thrones, or lordships, or angelic orders, or dominions, all things were in his hand and were created by him:" (Colossians 1:16 -- Lamsa Bible)
"for through him God created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth. He made the things we can see and the things we can’t see— such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world. Everything was created through him and for him." (Colossians 1:16 -- New Living Translation)
"For through him God created everything in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen things, including spiritual powers, lords, rulers, and authorities. God created the whole universe through him and for him." (Colossians 1:16 -- Good News Translation)
atpollard, now, turn your focus on the words enlarged and bolded in blue. See that? Jehovah God was the power behind the creating. It was Jehovah working through Jesus. You should have figured out that your translation was wrong by the simple fact that the CONTEXT at Colossians 1:15 says Jesus is among "all creation" and the fact that created beings CANNOT create. But, oh no! like all Trinitarians, you lapped it all up and CHOSE to ignore context.
What the Trinitarian Bible translators did was manipulate scripture in order to deceive the gullible. And it obviously worked on you and people like yourself who REFUSE to pay attention to context.