Christendom's Trinity: Where Did It Come From?

Although Trinity is the most important doctrine within most of Christendom's 41,000 denominations, Trinitarians ignore the following facts:

1. There are no scriptures in the Judeo-Christian Bible in support of the dogma of a 3-in-1 god, in which there are three persons (Father, Son, and Holy Ghost) that are co-equal and co-eternal.

2. Neither Jesus Christ nor his disciples of the 1st century AD promoted the teaching that there are three persons within a godhead, all of whom are co-equal and co-eternal.

3. Trinity did not become official Christian teaching until the 4th century AD, some 300 years after Jesus Christ left the earthly scene and returned to heavenly life, and some 300 years after the last book of the Bible was written.

It would surprise some that there were trinity gods throughout the pagan world--for centuries before the idea of a 3-in-1 god was adopted by Christendom. Below are four such examples:

A. In the 2nd century BCE (two centuries before Jesus Christ came to the earth), Egypt had a triad of gods consisting of (1) Horus, (2) Osiris, and (3) Isis.


B. In the 2nd century B.C.E., Babylon had a triad of gods consisting of (1) Ishtar, (2) Sin, and (3) Shamash.


C. In the 1st century C.E., Palmyra, which was an ancient city in Syria, had a triune god which consisted of (1) moon god, (2) Lord of Heavens, and (3) sun god.


D. Even the Hindus in India have their own trinity of gods, as follows: (1) Brahma, (2) Vishnu, and (3) Shiva.



QUESTIONS FOR DISCUSSION:

1.
If the teaching of a Trinity god is essential to Christianity, how is it that the doctrine is nowhere to be found in scriptures within Jehovah's inspired word, the Judeo-Christian Bible?


2. If Jesus Christ is part of a trinity in which he has the same power (co-equal) and the same eternity (co-eternal) as Jehovah the Father, how is it that the scriptures repeatedly inform us that Jesus Christ is subservient to Almighty God Jehovah (indicating inequality) and why is it that scripture tells us over and over again that Jesus Christ is "begotten" (indicating he had a beginning)?


3. Why did it take two Roman Emperors/politicians, neither of whom were Christians, to enforce the official Trinity dogma some 300 years after Jesus Christ left the earthly scene?
Consider yourself Officially Informed on the TRUTH = Genesis and Gospel confirm 'Trinity'

Then God
אֱלֹהִ֔ים (’ĕ·lō·hîm)
Noun - masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 430: 1) (plural) 1a) rulers, judges 1b) divine ones 1c) angels 1d) gods 2) (plural intensive-singular meaning) 2a) god, goddess 2b) godlike one 2c) works or special possessions of God 2d) the (true) God 2e) God

said,
וַיֹּ֣אמֶר (way·yō·mer)
Conjunctive waw | Verb - Qal - Consecutive imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 559: 1) to say, speak, utter 1a) (Qal) to say, to answer, to say in one's heart, to think, to command, to promise, to intend 1b) (Niphal) to be told, to be said, to be called 1c) (Hithpael) to boast, to act proudly 1d) (Hiphil) to avow, to avouch

“Let Us make
נַֽעֲשֶׂ֥ה (na·‘ă·śeh)
Verb - Qal - Imperfect Cohortative if contextual - first person common plural
Strong's Hebrew 6213: 1) to do, fashion, accomplish, make 1a) (Qal) 1a1) to do, work, make, produce 1a1a) to do 1a1b) to work 1a1c) to deal (with) 1a1d) to act, act with effect, effect 1a2) to make 1a2a) to make 1a2b) to produce 1a2c) to prepare 1a2d) to make (an offering) 1a2e) to attend to, put in order 1a2f) to observe, celebrate 1a2g) to acquire (property) 1a2h) to appoint, ordain, institute 1a2i) to bring about 1a2j) to use 1a2k) to spend, pass 1b) (Niphal) 1b1) to be done 1b2) to be made 1b3) to be produced 1b4) to be offered 1b5) to be observed 1b6) to be used 1c) (Pual) to be made 2) (Piel) to press, squeeze

man
אָדָ֛ם (’ā·ḏām)
Noun - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 120: 1) man, mankind 1a) man, human being 1b) man, mankind (much more frequently intended sense in OT) 1c) Adam, first man 1d) city in Jordan valley

in Our image,
בְּצַלְמֵ֖נוּ (bə·ṣal·mê·nū)
Preposition-b | Noun - masculine singular construct | first person common plural
Strong's Hebrew 6754: 1) image 1a) images (of tumours, mice, heathen gods) 1b) image, likeness (of resemblance) 1c) mere, empty, image, semblance (fig.)

after Our likeness,
כִּדְמוּתֵ֑נוּ (kiḏ·mū·ṯê·nū)
Preposition-k | Noun - feminine singular construct | first person common plural
Strong's Hebrew 1823: n f 1) likeness, similitude adv 2) in the likeness of, like as

Us - Our - Our = Spoken 3 times by Elohim(Plural)

Trinity/3 in the Gospel John 14:15-18
If you love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
 
Although Trinity is the most important doctrine within most of Christendom's 41,000 denominations, Trinitarians ignore the following facts:

1. There are no scriptures in the Judeo-Christian Bible in support of the dogma of a 3-in-1 god, in which there are three persons (Father, Son, and Holy Ghost) that are co-equal and co-eternal.

You start off with an incorrect premise. There are MANY Scriptures that state explicitly that Jesus is God.
Question: In Genesis 1, who created everything that was Created?
Answer: God.
Question: In John 1:1-3, who created everything that was Created?
Answer: The Word (Logos), which was God, and was WITH God (meaning there were more than one being that is God).
Question: What happened to the Word that was God and was with God?
Answer: According to John 1:14, the Word became flesh and we know it as the man Jesus.
Question: What does that mean about the man Jesus?
Answer: The man Jesus is God, since He is the embodiment of the Word of God.

Doug Brents:

You are stating your opinion. I stated a fact when I said there are no scriptures in the Bible in support of the dogma of a 3-in-one god (Father, Son, and Holy Ghost) in which the three "persons" are supposedly co-equal and co-eternal.



Question: In John 1:1-3, who created everything that was Created?
Answer: The Word (Logos), which was God, and was WITH God (meaning there were more than one being that is God).

That is incorrect. The Word aka Jesus Christ is himself a created being. A created being cannot create.

I've already been through this with atpollard. Below is the weblink that will take you to what I told him/her at Post 321.




Also take a look at what I told atpollard at Post 327. The weblink is directly below.

 
Question: In John 1:1-3, who created everything that was Created?
Answer: The Word (Logos), which was God, and was WITH God (meaning there were more than one being that is God).

Doug Brents:

So, according to the Trinitarian reasoning, God was with himself. Got it. Pure nonsense.


Do you realize how crazy that sounds?
 
Although Trinity is the most important doctrine within most of Christendom's 41,000 denominations, Trinitarians ignore the following facts:

1. There are no scriptures in the Judeo-Christian Bible in support of the dogma of a 3-in-1 god, in which there are three persons (Father, Son, and Holy Ghost) that are co-equal and co-eternal.

2. Neither Jesus Christ nor his disciples of the 1st century AD promoted the teaching that there are three persons within a godhead, all of whom are co-equal and co-eternal.

3. Trinity did not become official Christian teaching until the 4th century AD, some 300 years after Jesus Christ left the earthly scene and returned to heavenly life, and some 300 years after the last book of the Bible was written.

It would surprise some that there were trinity gods throughout the pagan world--for centuries before the idea of a 3-in-1 god was adopted by Christendom. Below are four such examples:

A. In the 2nd century BCE (two centuries before Jesus Christ came to the earth), Egypt had a triad of gods consisting of (1) Horus, (2) Osiris, and (3) Isis.


B. In the 2nd century B.C.E., Babylon had a triad of gods consisting of (1) Ishtar, (2) Sin, and (3) Shamash.


C. In the 1st century C.E., Palmyra, which was an ancient city in Syria, had a triune god which consisted of (1) moon god, (2) Lord of Heavens, and (3) sun god.


D. Even the Hindus in India have their own trinity of gods, as follows: (1) Brahma, (2) Vishnu, and (3) Shiva.



QUESTIONS FOR DISCUSSION:

1.
If the teaching of a Trinity god is essential to Christianity, how is it that the doctrine is nowhere to be found in scriptures within Jehovah's inspired word, the Judeo-Christian Bible?


2. If Jesus Christ is part of a trinity in which he has the same power (co-equal) and the same eternity (co-eternal) as Jehovah the Father, how is it that the scriptures repeatedly inform us that Jesus Christ is subservient to Almighty God Jehovah (indicating inequality) and why is it that scripture tells us over and over again that Jesus Christ is "begotten" (indicating he had a beginning)?


3. Why did it take two Roman Emperors/politicians, neither of whom were Christians, to enforce the official Trinity dogma some 300 years after Jesus Christ left the earthly scene?


Consider yourself Officially Informed on the TRUTH = Genesis and Gospel confirm 'Trinity'

Then God
אֱלֹהִ֔ים (’ĕ·lō·hîm)
Noun - masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 430: 1) (plural) 1a) rulers, judges 1b) divine ones 1c) angels 1d) gods 2) (plural intensive-singular meaning) 2a) god, goddess 2b) godlike one 2c) works or special possessions of God 2d) the (true) God 2e) God

said,
וַיֹּ֣אמֶר (way·yō·mer)
Conjunctive waw | Verb - Qal - Consecutive imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 559: 1) to say, speak, utter 1a) (Qal) to say, to answer, to say in one's heart, to think, to command, to promise, to intend 1b) (Niphal) to be told, to be said, to be called 1c) (Hithpael) to boast, to act proudly 1d) (Hiphil) to avow, to avouch

“Let Us make
נַֽעֲשֶׂ֥ה (na·‘ă·śeh)
Verb - Qal - Imperfect Cohortative if contextual - first person common plural
Strong's Hebrew 6213: 1) to do, fashion, accomplish, make 1a) (Qal) 1a1) to do, work, make, produce 1a1a) to do 1a1b) to work 1a1c) to deal (with) 1a1d) to act, act with effect, effect 1a2) to make 1a2a) to make 1a2b) to produce 1a2c) to prepare 1a2d) to make (an offering) 1a2e) to attend to, put in order 1a2f) to observe, celebrate 1a2g) to acquire (property) 1a2h) to appoint, ordain, institute 1a2i) to bring about 1a2j) to use 1a2k) to spend, pass 1b) (Niphal) 1b1) to be done 1b2) to be made 1b3) to be produced 1b4) to be offered 1b5) to be observed 1b6) to be used 1c) (Pual) to be made 2) (Piel) to press, squeeze

man
אָדָ֛ם (’ā·ḏām)
Noun - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 120: 1) man, mankind 1a) man, human being 1b) man, mankind (much more frequently intended sense in OT) 1c) Adam, first man 1d) city in Jordan valley

in Our image,
בְּצַלְמֵ֖נוּ (bə·ṣal·mê·nū)
Preposition-b | Noun - masculine singular construct | first person common plural
Strong's Hebrew 6754: 1) image 1a) images (of tumours, mice, heathen gods) 1b) image, likeness (of resemblance) 1c) mere, empty, image, semblance (fig.)

after Our likeness,
כִּדְמוּתֵ֑נוּ (kiḏ·mū·ṯê·nū)
Preposition-k | Noun - feminine singular construct | first person common plural
Strong's Hebrew 1823: n f 1) likeness, similitude adv 2) in the likeness of, like as

Us - Our - Our = Spoken 3 times by Elohim(Plural)

Trinity/3 in the Gospel John 14:15-18
If you love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.


DavidTree:

The only thing "official" that I got from you is that you are 100% wrong when you claim: "Genesis and Gospel confirm 'Trinity.'"

Nothing in the Judeo-Christian Bible confirms Christendom's 3-prong god when context is paid attention to. Your reliance on Strongs concordance is quite telling, by the way. I can see why. James Strong (who is responsible for that concordance) was such a rabid Trinitarian that he was viewed as the fourth member of the Trinity.


"James Strong (1822-1894), author of Strong’s Concordance, has been elevated to the position of fourth member of the Trinity by many. His corrupt Greek and Hebrew definitions pepper today’s preaching, as if his lexicon was the final and 67th book of the Bible. His liberal definitions are used as quick and weak patches to fill a void in sermons. The space would be better filled by a laborious looking up of all the Bible’s usages of a word."


As such, James Strong's writings on the topic of Christendom's non-existent trinity god lacks credibility.
 
Trinity/3 in the Gospel John 14:15-18
If you love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

DavidTree:

Simply because three different entities are mentioned in the same sentence does not = they are the same god. That's like telling all those reading this thread that when DavidTree and DavidTree's biological father and a possession of DavidTree's biological father are mentioned in the same sentence, it = One single human being.
 
DavidTree:

The only thing "official" that I got from you is that you are 100% wrong when you claim: "Genesis and Gospel confirm 'Trinity.'"

Nothing in the Judeo-Christian Bible confirms Christendom's 3-prong god when context is paid attention to. Your reliance on Strongs concordance is quite telling, by the way. I can see why. James Strong (who is responsible for that concordance) was such a rabid Trinitarian that he was viewed as the fourth member of the Trinity.


"James Strong (1822-1894), author of Strong’s Concordance, has been elevated to the position of fourth member of the Trinity by many. His corrupt Greek and Hebrew definitions pepper today’s preaching, as if his lexicon was the final and 67th book of the Bible. His liberal definitions are used as quick and weak patches to fill a void in sermons. The space would be better filled by a laborious looking up of all the Bible’s usages of a word."


As such, James Strong's writings on the topic of Christendom's non-existent trinity god lacks credibility.
Hebrew word for God is 'Elohim' which is PLURAL and has nothing to do with Strong's as he was not born until roughly 5,000 years AFTER Moses wrote Genesis by the HOLY SPIRIT.

Can you understand this???
 
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DavidTree:

Simply because three different entities are mentioned in the same sentence does not = they are the same god. That's like telling all those reading this thread that when DavidTree and DavidTree's biological father and a possession of DavidTree's biological father are mentioned in the same sentence, it = One single human being.
ALL THREE Entities are Echad (Hebrew word for two or more that are counted/considered One/United)
Ecahd Elohim = One God = FATHER/SON/HOLY SPIRIT

Genesis 1:1-3 = John 1:1
 
Doug Brents:

You are stating your opinion. I stated a fact when I said there are no scriptures in the Bible in support of the dogma of a 3-in-one god (Father, Son, and Holy Ghost) in which the three "persons" are supposedly co-equal and co-eternal.
That is your opinion that shows evidence of lack of study of Scripture.
Matt 28:19 - When something is done, it is done in the name of the highest authority possible. When the Apostles (and through them, every Christ follower in history) were commanded to baptize people into Christ, they were commanded to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. These three names are equal, or they would not be listed together.

Phil 2:7 - It states that Jesus was already equal with the Father before He emptied Himself and submitted Himself to the Father by becoming a man

John 1:1-3, 14 - This passage is very clear that Jesus is the Logos of God, which was God and was with God (meaning they were separate but equal). God is the only being depicted in Scripture as having the power to make things out of nothing. And Jesus (the Logos of God) did ALL the creating of everything that was made.
That is incorrect. The Word aka Jesus Christ is himself a created being. A created being cannot create.
Again, your opinion which is contrary to what Scripture says. John 1:3 states clearly that everything that was created was created by the Logos (Word, Jesus), and there was nothing that was created was that was not created by Him. As you say, He cannot have created Himself, so He CANNOT be a created being.
Doug Brents:

So, according to the Trinitarian reasoning, God was with himself. Got it. Pure nonsense.

Do you realize how crazy that sounds?
God is not a name. It is a title, similar to the title given to two people who are married: Couple. God is not a singular being, although He is united so closely that it makes no difference to mankind. All three parts of God have the same power, authority, goal, mission, thought, glory, etc. Yet Jesus, the Logos, gave up the independent use of His power, His glory, His authority, and became a man subject to the Father (and other men) to the point of death.
 
That is your opinion that shows evidence of lack of study of Scripture.
Matt 28:19 - When something is done, it is done in the name of the highest authority possible. When the Apostles (and through them, every Christ follower in history) were commanded to baptize people into Christ, they were commanded to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. These three names are equal, or they would not be listed together.

Phil 2:7 - It states that Jesus was already equal with the Father before He emptied Himself and submitted Himself to the Father by becoming a man

John 1:1-3, 14 - This passage is very clear that Jesus is the Logos of God, which was God and was with God (meaning they were separate but equal). God is the only being depicted in Scripture as having the power to make things out of nothing. And Jesus (the Logos of God) did ALL the creating of everything that was made.

Again, your opinion which is contrary to what Scripture says. John 1:3 states clearly that everything that was created was created by the Logos (Word, Jesus), and there was nothing that was created was that was not created by Him. As you say, He cannot have created Himself, so He CANNOT be a created being.

God is not a name. It is a title, similar to the title given to two people who are married: Couple. God is not a singular being, although He is united so closely that it makes no difference to mankind. All three parts of God have the same power, authority, goal, mission, thought, glory, etc. Yet Jesus, the Logos, gave up the independent use of His power, His glory, His authority, and became a man subject to the Father (and other men) to the point of death.
You are infinitely more patient than I am.
 
Matt 28:19 - When something is done, it is done in the name of the highest authority possible. When the Apostles (and through them, every Christ follower in history) were commanded to baptize people into Christ, they were commanded to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. These three names are equal, or they would not be listed together.
AMEN = and so few understand this = so few know there ABC's

Let's SEE this Spelled/Spoken Out for us in Scripture

let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole.
This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’
A - Nor is there salvation in any other,
B - there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

C-
Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the Name which is above every name,
that at the Name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
 
AMEN = and so few understand this = so few know there ABC's

Let's SEE this Spelled/Spoken Out for us in Scripture

let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole.
This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’
A - Nor is there salvation in any other,
B - there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

C-
Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the Name which is above every name,
that at the Name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
There is salvation in no other but by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, aka Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God, whom also God raised from the dead.

This Jesus is the 'stone' rejected by you builders . . . the chief cornerstone' which can't be God because it is the LORD God which laid a foundation, a stone, a tested stone, a precious cornerstone of a sure foundation (Isaiah 28:16)

It is God who highly exalted the Lord Jesus Christ and gave him the name which is above every name........ and every knee should bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord........TO THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER.
 
There is salvation in no other but by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, aka Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God, whom also God raised from the dead.

This Jesus is the 'stone' rejected by you builders . . . the chief cornerstone' which can't be God because it is the LORD God which laid a foundation, a stone, a tested stone, a precious cornerstone of a sure foundation (Isaiah 28:16)

It is God who highly exalted the Lord Jesus Christ and gave him the name which is above every name........ and every knee should bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord........TO THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER.
i C u
Due u C John 1:1 ???
 
i C u
Due u C John 1:1 ???
Yes, I do.

This is how I see John 1:1c ....... I see it as in a qualitative sense - 'what God was, the Word was' --- theos describes the qualities of the Word without signifying any equivalence. The Word was the full expression of God or the Word fully expressed God ---- this expression of God, became flesh, embodied in a human being --- and dwelt among us and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

That is how I understand John 1 and it doesn't contradict other scripture in which God says he is not a man........
It keeps consistent the relationship of God the Father and his only Son who is at the Father's side and has made him (God, aka the Father) known.
 
Yes, I do.

This is how I see John 1:1c ....... I see it as in a qualitative sense - 'what God was, the Word was' --- theos describes the qualities of the Word without signifying any equivalence. The Word was the full expression of God or the Word fully expressed God ---- this expression of God, became flesh, embodied in a human being --- and dwelt among us and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

That is how I understand John 1 and it doesn't contradict other scripture in which God says he is not a man........
It keeps consistent the relationship of God the Father and his only Son who is at the Father's side and has made him (God, aka the Father) known.
theos describes the qualities of the Word without signifying any equivalence.
Your statement is in direct opposition to the Word of God.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"
 
Your statement is in direct opposition to the Word of God.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"
the Word was 'God' ---- grammatically the nominative case describes the subject, i.e. the word. In order for 'God' to be a direct address/to directly address the word AS being THE God - God would be in the vocative case.

My statement is in direct correlation to the Word of God grammatically - and the word was God - qualitative NOT identical.

But thanks for your opinion. :)
 
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the Word was 'God' ---- grammatically the nominative case describes the subject, i.e. the word. In order for 'God' to be a direct address/to directly address the word AS being THE God - God would be in the vocative case.

My statement is in direct correlation to the Word of God grammatically - and the word was God - qualitative NOT identical.

But thanks for your opinion. :)
Your grammatical assertion upon Scripture is contrary to the Scriptural Truth being presented to us from God.

Who has the Authentic Understanding???
a.) Moses who wrote Genesis under the Inspiration of the Holy Spirit
b.) The Apostle John who was under the Inspiration of the Holy Spirit
c.) your opinion
d.) a & b
e.) all of the above
f.) none of the above

Only One Answer is Correct
 
Although Trinity is the most important doctrine within most of Christendom's 41,000 denominations, Trinitarians ignore the following facts:

1. There are no scriptures in the Judeo-Christian Bible in support of the dogma of a 3-in-1 god, in which there are three persons (Father, Son, and Holy Ghost) that are co-equal and co-eternal.

2. Neither Jesus Christ nor his disciples of the 1st century AD promoted the teaching that there are three persons within a godhead, all of whom are co-equal and co-eternal.

3. Trinity did not become official Christian teaching until the 4th century AD, some 300 years after Jesus Christ left the earthly scene and returned to heavenly life, and some 300 years after the last book of the Bible was written.

It would surprise some that there were trinity gods throughout the pagan world--for centuries before the idea of a 3-in-1 god was adopted by Christendom. Below are four such examples:

A. In the 2nd century BCE (two centuries before Jesus Christ came to the earth), Egypt had a triad of gods consisting of (1) Horus, (2) Osiris, and (3) Isis.


B. In the 2nd century B.C.E., Babylon had a triad of gods consisting of (1) Ishtar, (2) Sin, and (3) Shamash.


C. In the 1st century C.E., Palmyra, which was an ancient city in Syria, had a triune god which consisted of (1) moon god, (2) Lord of Heavens, and (3) sun god.


D. Even the Hindus in India have their own trinity of gods, as follows: (1) Brahma, (2) Vishnu, and (3) Shiva.



QUESTIONS FOR DISCUSSION:

1.
If the teaching of a Trinity god is essential to Christianity, how is it that the doctrine is nowhere to be found in scriptures within Jehovah's inspired word, the Judeo-Christian Bible?


2. If Jesus Christ is part of a trinity in which he has the same power (co-equal) and the same eternity (co-eternal) as Jehovah the Father, how is it that the scriptures repeatedly inform us that Jesus Christ is subservient to Almighty God Jehovah (indicating inequality) and why is it that scripture tells us over and over again that Jesus Christ is "begotten" (indicating he had a beginning)?


3. Why did it take two Roman Emperors/politicians, neither of whom were Christians, to enforce the official Trinity dogma some 300 years after Jesus Christ left the earthly scene?
So Alter2ego, do you worship Jesus or do you not worship Jesus?

Jehovah's Witness historical worship of Jesus until 1954


Jehovah's Witnesses worshipped Jesus until 1954, after which they were told such worship was idolatrous. This made them a polytheistic religion for most of their history.
 
Your grammatical assertion upon Scripture is contrary to the Scriptural Truth being presented to us from God.

Who has the Authentic Understanding???
a.) Moses who wrote Genesis under the Inspiration of the Holy Spirit
b.) The Apostle John who was under the Inspiration of the Holy Spirit
c.) your opinion
d.) a & b
e.) all of the above
f.) none of the above

Only One Answer is Correct
My grammatical assertion isn't contrary to scripture it's contrary to what you believe the verse to be saying.

All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work. 2 Timothy 3:16,17

Although we probably agree on many other things - I just don't believe the scripture teaches the doctrine of a Triune God.
 
My grammatical assertion isn't contrary to scripture it's contrary to what you believe the verse to be saying.
Contrary to Scripture

All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work. 2 Timothy 3:16,17
Great = Now believe what is written = "the Word was God"

Although we probably agree on many other things - I just don't believe the scripture teaches the doctrine of a Triune God.
Correct = as your estimation is contrary to Scripture.

Thus why you could not answer the question, and/or did not understand what was presented to you!!!
 
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