Can People Get Saved After the Rapture?

[DavidTree]

Most Christians who take the Bible literally expect to be raptured before the Lord comes in power to this earth.

Some Bible doctrines are nonnegotiable: the deity of Christ, for example, or salvation by grace through faith.

But whether Christ comes for His church before the Tribulation, in the middle, or at the end is not a cardinal doctrine. All Christians believe that Christ is coming with a shout from heaven and that “the dead in Christ will rise first.” Believers living at the time will be changed and raised with them to meet the Lord in the air.

No single verse specifically states, “Christ will not rapture His church before the Tribulation.” On the other hand, no single passage teaches He will not come before the Tribulation, or that He will come in the middle or at the end of the Tribulation. If there was it would end the debate immediately.

Some Bible doctrines are nonnegotiable: the deity of Christ, for example, or salvation by grace through faith.

100% AGREE = 100% TRUTH

But whether Christ comes for His church before the Tribulation, in the middle, or at the end is not a cardinal doctrine.

100% FALSE

The LORD Jesus Christ, the Apostles and the OT Prophets emphatically and specifically detailed for us that His Second Coming is when the Resurrection of the Saints and the subsequent Rapture take place.

No single verse specifically states, “Christ will not rapture His church before the Tribulation.”

100% FALSE
To even say such a thing comes from the sprit of 'antichrist'.


But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who [c]sleep in Jesus.

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are [d]asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.

Revelation 7:9-14
After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” 11All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12saying:

“Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom,
Thanksgiving and honor and power and might,
Be to our God forever and ever.
Amen.”
Then one of the elders answered, saying to me,
“Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?”

And I said to him, “Sir, you know.”

So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

 

[DavidTree]

Chuckle!!! To begin with, "Eschatology" is a religious term meaning "Rank Speculation". Depending on one's "Denominational paradigm" it may or may not be possible, in in one version only JEWS can be redeemed. IF the Holy SPirit is also withdrawn aling with the Christians, then, of course salvation would be impossible.

Personally I couldn't care less about theological abstracts of this type. GOD'S AGENDA will unfold as HE HAS PLANNED, and our attempts at theology won't have any effect one way or another.

IF the Holy SPirit is also withdrawn along with the Christians, then, of course salvation would be impossible.

100% TRUTH

Therefore, it is IMPOSSIBLE that a pre-trib rapture will take place because the HOLY SPIRIT 'ain't goin NO-WHERE' until CHRIST Returns to Gather His People = the Elect of God = His Church

WITNESS of TRUTH = Revelation 7:9-14
After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” 11All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12saying:

“Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom,
Thanksgiving and honor and power and might,
Be to our God forever and ever.
Amen.”
Then one of the elders answered, saying to me,
“Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?”

And I said to him, “Sir, you know.”

So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.


Question for @Larry and @Bob Carabbio and @TomL

Did the Holy Spirit LEAVE these saints who endured the Great Tribulation???

 

[Kenny]

You have been listening to the spirit of anti-christ.

Read the Gospel of John and 1 Thessalonians again and again until you SEE.

Right... I'll jump right on that.

After studying the book of Revelation have found it to be one of the best-organized books in the Bible. One particular verse in the first chapter showed me the outline of the entire book. The first half of the first chapter is the prologue, and the last part of Revelation 1 is John’s initial vision of the glorified Jesus, who told him in verse 19: “Write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after this.”

This is God’s own framework to the book of Revelation.

The things you have seen. That’s the first chapter and John’s incredible opening vision of Jesus. John was on the island of Patmos in exile. He heard the blast of a trumpet and turned to see the glorious figure of the enthroned Christ, whom he described in magnificent detail. Christ spoke and explained the meaning of the symbols surrounding Him. The Lord told John to write down this opening vision he had seen.

The things which are. This refers to the next two chapters, Revelation 2–3, which contain seven short messages to the seven churches of Asia Minor. John oversaw these churches as an elder in exile. Each message describes the spiritual health of a given church, accompanied by commendations, reprimands, warnings, and rebukes. These messages are applicable throughout the entire age of the church, and they are important for us today.

The things which will take place after this. This refers to the core chapters of Revelation, which begin with Revelation 4 and continue through the end of the book. These chapters detail the events that will take place in the future. Almost everything in Revelation 4–18 has to do with the seven-year Tribulation, describing in great detail the pouring out of God’s wrath upon the earth. Chapter 19 is devoted to the Second Coming of Christ at the end of the Tribulation.

Don't miss the mark on this.

Do you know what is conspicuously absent from these Tribulation chapters? The church. The word church appears nineteen times in Revelation 1–3, but not once in Revelation 4–18.

Why the silence? Because the church will no longer be on the earth. Believers will be removed before the Tribulation Period and taken to heaven by means of the Rapture. You cannot find the church anywhere from Revelation 4 to Revelation 18, the chapters that describe the seven years of Tribulation coming upon the earth.

 

[DavidTree]

Right... I'll jump right on that.

The first half of the first chapter is the prologue, and the last part of Revelation 1 is John’s initial vision of the glorified Jesus, who told him in verse 19: “Write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after this.”

This is God’s own framework to the book of Revelation.

The things you have seen. That’s the first chapter and John’s incredible opening vision of Jesus. John was on the island of Patmos in exile. He heard the blast of a trumpet and turned to see the glorious figure of the enthroned Christ, whom he described in magnificent detail. Christ spoke and explained the meaning of the symbols surrounding Him. The Lord told John to write down this opening vision he had seen.

The things which are. This refers to the next two chapters, Revelation 2–3, which contain seven short messages to the seven churches of Asia Minor. John oversaw these churches as an elder in exile. Each message describes the spiritual health of a given church, accompanied by commendations, reprimands, warnings, and rebukes. These messages are applicable throughout the entire age of the church, and they are important for us today.

The things which will take place after this. This refers to the core chapters of Revelation, which begin with Revelation 4 and continue through the end of the book. These chapters detail the events that will take place in the future. Almost everything in Revelation 4–18 has to do with the seven-year Tribulation, describing in great detail the pouring out of God’s wrath upon the earth. Chapter 19 is devoted to the Second Coming of Christ at the end of the Tribulation.

Don't miss the mark on this.

Do you know what is conspicuously absent from these Tribulation chapters? The church. The word church appears nineteen times in Revelation 1–3, but not once in Revelation 4–18.

Why the silence? Because the church will no longer be on the earth. Believers will be removed before the Tribulation Period and taken to heaven by means of the Rapture. You cannot find the church anywhere from Revelation 4 to Revelation 18, the chapters that describe the seven years of Tribulation coming upon the earth.

Do you know what is conspicuously absent from these Tribulation chapters?

100% FALSE
Just another man-made lie that comes from the first lie of 'pre-trib' rapture.

The Body of Christ is CLEARLY SEEN all throughout Revelation.

After studying the book of Revelation have found it to be one of the best-organized books in the Bible. One particular verse in the first chapter showed me the outline of the entire book.

100% CORRECT

Here is the OPENING Outline of Revelation
a.) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place.
Notice that the "things which must shortly take place." are for the ENTIRE Book of Revelation


b.) "This is God’s own framework to the book of Revelation." = HERE is the FRAMEWORK of God's Revelation

John, to the seven churches which are in Asia:

Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, 5and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth.

To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, 6and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.

“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

I, John, both your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ,


Notice that God's FRAMEWORK is built upon the Foundation of Christ in these 3 Points of Emphasis:
#1 - His Death and Resurrection
#2 - His Ascention to Glory at the Right Hand and THRONE of God
#3 - His Second Coming


Built upon His Revelation, which is the LORD Jesus Christ, are the Apostles

"I, John, both your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ,"

Right... I'll jump right on that.

Make sure you do because "pride goes before the fall" = "Don't miss the mark on this."

 

[Kenny]

The pre-Tribulation view holds to a seven-year Tribulation period for Israel, according to Daniel 9:27, occurring before Christ returns to this earth. The church (and, some believe, Old Testament saints) will be resurrected or raptured prior to that Tribulation, taken by Christ to the Father’s house and judged for their deeds since they became Christians, granted rewards for faithful service, conducted to the marriage of Christ and His Bride, and permitted to celebrate the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, seen in Revelation 19:7-9

After the seven-year Tribulation Christ will come in His glorious appearing, destroy Antichrist and the False Prophet, and chain Satan in the bottomless pit. He will then set up His kingdom and rule the world with His saints.

 

[DavidTree]

The pre-Tribulation view holds to a seven-year Tribulation period for Israel, according to Daniel 9:27, occurring before Christ returns to this earth. The church (and, some believe, Old Testament saints) will be resurrected or raptured prior to that Tribulation, taken by Christ to the Father’s house and judged for their deeds since they became Christians, granted rewards for faithful service, conducted to the marriage of Christ and His Bride, and permitted to celebrate the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, seen in Revelation 19:7-9

The church (and, some believe, Old Testament saints) will be resurrected or raptured prior to that Tribulation,

100% FALSE

Not a single prophecy or declaration of such exists in Scripture.

 

[Kenny]

Jesus told us to pray that we would be raptured before the Tribulation. In speaking of the Tribulation in His Olivet Discourse, Jesus said, “Watch and pray always that you may be accounted worthy to escape all these things” Luke 21:36

How are we accounted worthy? One way: We are worthy because of what Jesus did for us on the Cross of Calvary.

 

[Neil Spargo]

Jesus told us to pray that we would be raptured before the Tribulation. In speaking of the Tribulation in His Olivet Discourse, Jesus said, “Watch and pray always that you may be accounted worthy to escape all these things” Luke 21:36

How are we accounted worthy? One way: We are worthy because of what Jesus did for us on the Cross of Calvary.

Not only does the pre-Trib view logically locate and explain these important future events, but there are sound reasons for believing it.

 

[DavidTree]

Jesus told us to pray that we would be raptured before the Tribulation. In speaking of the Tribulation in His Olivet Discourse, Jesus said, “Watch and pray always that you may be accounted worthy to escape all these things” Luke 21:36

How are we accounted worthy? One way: We are worthy because of what Jesus did for us on the Cross of Calvary.

Jesus told us to pray that we would be raptured before the Tribulation

100% FALSE

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The LORD Jesus Christ never once told us to pray to escape tribulation.

JESUS told us to pray that we may overcome temptation and to endure suffering/tribulation for His Name.
In Luke 21:34-36, the LORD Jesus Christ WARNS us of the DANGER of temptation while we WAIT for His Second Coming.

“But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly.
For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.
Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass,
and to stand before the Son of Man.

We are counted worthy of Heaven ONLY because of the BLOOD of CHRIST shed for our sins.

Each individual saint is counted worthy to "escape" temptation as they SURRENDER to Christ when the temptation is brought to them = this is the EXACT instruction of the LORD = PRAY to HIM in order to escape temptation

 

[DavidTree]

Not only does the pre-Trib view logically locate and explain these important future events, but there are sound reasons for believing it.

Man-made sinful logic

Not one 'Scripturally sound' reason is given by God in the Holy Scriptures.

 

[Kenny]

Pre-Tribulation Rapture follows the outline of the Book of Revelation. If you don’t embrace a Pre-Tribulation view, your understanding of Revelation becomes as twisted as a pretzel because you’ve got to put chapters 4 and 5 after chapter 11, if you hold to a Mid-Tribulation stance; after chapter 19 if you take a Post-Tribulation point of view. Only a Pre-Tribulation placement of the Rapture allows for a consistent flow of the Book of Revelation.

 

[Neil Spargo]

Pre-Tribulation Rapture follows the outline of the Book of Revelation. If you don’t embrace a Pre-Tribulation view, your understanding of Revelation becomes as twisted as a pretzel because you’ve got to put chapters 4 and 5 after chapter 11, if you hold to a Mid-Tribulation stance; after chapter 19 if you take a Post-Tribulation point of view. Only a Pre-Tribulation placement of the Rapture allows for a consistent flow of the Book of Revelation.

I agree, the pre-Tribulation view is the most logical view of second coming scriptures when taken for their plain, literal meaning whenever possible.

Many of the details of the second coming must be pieced together from various passages of Scripture, no matter what view you take. The pre-Trib position finds a logical place for every second-coming passage. Like a completed puzzle, all the pieces fit.

 

[DavidTree]

I agree, the pre-Tribulation view is the most logical view of second coming scriptures when taken for their plain, literal meaning whenever possible.

Many of the details of the second coming must be pieced together from various passages of Scripture, no matter what view you take. The pre-Trib position finds a logical place for every second-coming passage. Like a completed puzzle, all the pieces fit.

Those who hold to the false doctrine of 'pre-trib' have been asked to post the scripture(s) that declare a 'pre-trib' rapture.
Not one has been been found and/or posted from the Holy Scriptures.

Pre-trib rapture is a man-made doctrine that is being used to divide the Body of Christ = it is anti-christ = it opposes Christ

JESUS specifically said HE is Coming AFTER the Tribulation = Gospel, Apostles, OT Prophets

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn,
and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

If you refuse to believe the LORD and the Apostles and the OT Prophets, you do so of your own will.

 

[Jay]

Pre-Tribulation Rapture allows for the conditional aspect of the Tribulation. To the church at Thyatira, Jesus said, “If you don’t repent, you will experience Tribulation” Revelation 2:22. If the Rapture won’t occur until after the Tribulation, what would be the reason for this warning of Jesus?

“Well, didn’t Jesus say in this world we would have tribulation?” you ask.

Yes, but the crushing the believer goes through in the world is from Satan. The Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6–19, on the other hand, is from God as He pours out His wrath on a Christ-rejecting world. Folks, God will not allow anyone to get hit from both sides. If we experience tribulation in the world because of our faith, we will not experience the Tribulation of those who have none.

 

[DavidTree]

Pre-Tribulation Rapture allows for the conditional aspect of the Tribulation. To the church at Thyatira, Jesus said, “If you don’t repent, you will experience Tribulation” Revelation 2:22. If the Rapture won’t occur until after the Tribulation, what would be the reason for this warning of Jesus?

“Well, didn’t Jesus say in this world we would have tribulation?” you ask.

Yes, but the crushing the believer goes through in the world is from Satan. The Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6–19, on the other hand, is from God as He pours out His wrath on a Christ-rejecting world. Folks, God will not allow anyone to get hit from both sides. If we experience tribulation in the world because of our faith, we will not experience the Tribulation of those who have none.

JESUS never said to those who love Him: "If you don't repent, you will experience Tribulation"

Tribulation is STANDARD protocol for those whom the LORD loves = His Blood Washed Saints

John 16:33 - These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace.
In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.”

JESUS said this to the church of Thyatira:
‘These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like fine brass: “I know your works, love, service, faith, and your patience; and as for your works, the last are more than the first.
Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols.
And I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent.
Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds.
I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts.
And I will give to each one of you according to your works.

JESUS said that ONLY those who practice sexual immorality will be thrown into great tribulation.

ALL who claim to believe in JESUS have the SAME commandment from JESUS = "Believe My words"
No one who calls upon the Name of Jesus the Christ is exempt from His commandments = "If you love Me, keep my commandments"

The #1 Commandment in Scripture is to be BELIEVE God at His Word and NEVER add to His words or take away from them.
This Foundation is given in Genesis chapters 1 -3 and AGAIN laid as the Foundation in the Gospel.

 

[Kenny]

Pre-Tribulation Rapture allows for the unknown time of the Lord’s return. According to Daniel’s prophecy, three and a half biblical years (a Biblical year being three hundred sixty days) from the day Antichrist enters the temple and demands worship midway through the Tribulation, the Lord will return.

Consequently, if believers were on earth during the Tribulation, they would be able to predict the exact time of the Second Coming—three and a half biblical years, or forty-two months, or one thousand two hundred sixty days after Antichrist enters the temple.

The problem is, 1 Thessalonians 5:2 and Matthew 24:36 make it clear that no one knows the hour of His coming. Therefore, it follows that believers must be absent at this time.

 

[Jay]

Pre-tribulation believing Christians hold to being raptured just before the beginning of the Great Tribulation. Their departure will cause many non-Christians (including 144,000 Jews) to put faith in Christ and become the martyrs of the Tribulation.

 

[DavidTree]

Pre-tribulation believing Christians hold to being raptured just before the beginning of the Great Tribulation. Their departure will cause many non-Christians (including 144,000 Jews) to put faith in Christ and become the martyrs of the Tribulation.

Pre-tribulation believing Christians hold to being raptured just before the beginning of the Great Tribulation

Thus the error of modern christianity = trusting in man.

Their departure will cause many non-Christians (including 144,000 Jews) to put faith in Christ and become the martyrs of the Tribulation.

No such Scripture exists stating a "pre-trib" rapture.

Those who hold to doctrines of men, such as pre-trib rapture, will have their faith tested in the Great Tribulation as we wait for the Second Coming of Christ.
Some, if not many, who placed their trust in the false teaching of 'pre-trib' rapture will fall away from the faith.

“Whatever I tell you in the dark, speak in the light; and what you hear in the ear, preach on the housetops.
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Are not two sparrows sold for a copper coin?
And not one of them falls to the ground apart from your Father’s will.
But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Do not fear therefore; you are of more value than many sparrows.

 

[Jay]

All true believers will be raptured before the Tribulation begins.

Within some churches who claim Jesus as Lord are those who say that Christ’s kingdom can be established here on earth during His absence. This movement takes various names: kingdom, dominion, reconstruction. The basic premise is that mortal man can accomplish what only the immortal Lord can perform.

They believe that society must be reconstructed by Christians to establish the kingdom of God on earth before the personal return of Jesus Christ. They are dead set against any form of a Rapture.

 

[Richard]

All true believers will be raptured before the Tribulation begins.

Within some churches who claim Jesus as Lord are those who say that Christ’s kingdom can be established here on earth during His absence. This movement takes various names: kingdom, dominion, reconstruction. The basic premise is that mortal man can accomplish what only the immortal Lord can perform.

They believe that society must be reconstructed by Christians to establish the kingdom of God on earth before the personal return of Jesus Christ. They are dead set against any form of a Rapture.

One of the great techniques of the human potential leaders is to use Scripture to support their views. One quoted is 1 Corinthians 15:51: “Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye.”

This Scripture refers to the Rapture, a time when Christ will come for all believers before the seven-year Tribulation. This is the pre-Tribulation view, which I hold. (A mystery is a revealed truth that man cannot discern by human wisdom.) Some Christians may identify that verse with the resurrection of all believers at the Second Coming of Christ. However, using that Bible verse as an analogy for “Neuro-Linguistic Programming” is a gross distortion.