Can People Get Saved After the Rapture?

civic said:
Yes its just a matter of when which is what the debate is all about. Those living at the time will not experience death but will be transformed immediately when the trumpet sounds. :)
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There is no debate!

the LORD said HE is coming back for His Elect/Bride/Church after the Tribulation = Matt ch24

the Apostle Paul said the SAME as the LORD = "at the LAST trump" = 1 Thess ch4 , 1 Cor ch15

the Apostle John said the SAME as the LORD = after the Tribulation at the LAST Trump = 1 John , Revelation

Those who are "debating" are men of 'pride', so-called Doctors of divinity, and are debating God's CLEAR instructions = James ch2

Those who follow 'pre-trib' are placing their trust in the words of men who oppose the words of the LORD and the Apostles and the Prophets.

Thus saith the LORD:
An astonishing and horrible thing
Has been committed in the land:
The prophets prophesy falsely,
And the priests rule by their own power;
And My people love to have it so.
But what will you do in the end?
 
DavidTree said:
There is no debate!

the LORD said HE is coming back for His Elect/Bride/Church after the Tribulation = Matt ch24

the Apostle Paul said the SAME as the LORD = "at the LAST trump" = 1 Thess ch4 , 1 Cor ch15

the Apostle John said the SAME as the LORD = after the Tribulation at the LAST Trump = 1 John , Revelation

Those who are "debating" are men of 'pride', so-called Doctors of divinity, and are debating God's CLEAR instructions = James ch2

Those who follow 'pre-trib' are placing their trust in the words of men who oppose the words of the LORD and the Apostles and the Prophets.

Thus saith the LORD:
An astonishing and horrible thing
Has been committed in the land:
The prophets prophesy falsely,
And the priests rule by their own power;
And My people love to have it so.
But what will you do in the end?
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Yes I agree but there is a debate just like there is a debate with Calvinists and Arminians/non calvinists- the Trinity vs Unitarians and modalists. But you are correctone side of the argument is wrong and the other right.
 
civic said:
Yes I agree but there is a debate just like there is a debate with Calvinists and Arminians/non calvinists- the Trinity vs Unitarians and modalists. But you are correctone side of the argument is wrong and the other right.
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Correct

But we do not have to yield to their unbelief.
 
civic said:
Yes its just a matter of when which is what the debate is all about. Those living at the time will not experience death but will be transformed immediately when the trumpet sounds. :)
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and those alive at his coning will be caught up which is all that has been argued
 
jeremiah1five said:
Zechariah says the Lord touched down.
Saul says the Lord stays in the air forever.
Who's right?

Zechariah is correct. There may be only on passage in which it appears that the Lord doesn't touch down, but several passages that say unequivocally the Lord touches down.

Is that what you do when you come across two passages of Scripture that contradict each other is choose the one that is closer to what fits your theology? That doesn't show much honesty and integrity towards Scripture on your part.

What Saul says is incorrect and maybe the translators got it wrong. Or Saul made an error.
Since Zechariah is a true prophet of the Lord with a message of the Lord's coming down from heaven the same way ("in like manner") He went up this makes Saul incorrect. We don't stay in the air forever as Saul says. Jesus comes down and His feet land on the Mount of Olives and the mountain is split in two. Besides this Jesus also sits on the throne of David and this throne is on earth in Jerusalem.

Your interpretation breaks Scripture and is to be rejected. The true Word of God is consistent, and it doesn't contradict what's been written in the Law, Psalms, and the Prophets.
What did Peter say about people that "speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction." 2 Peter 3:16.

Such a warning came true in time. Saul was beheaded. Instant karma.
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What do you fail to understand

One thing and one thing only has been argued

At the coming of Christ men will be caught up.

That's it.

Your claim Paul got it wrong is an assault upon scripture.

Those who believe scripture reject your claims.

It's that simple.
 
TomL said:
What do you fail to understand

One thing and one thing only has been argued

At the coming of Christ men will be caught up.

That's it.

Your claim Paul got it wrong is an assault upon scripture.

Those who believe scripture reject your claims.

It's that simple.
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ditto
 
TomL said:
What do you fail to understand

One thing and one thing only has been argued

At the coming of Christ men will be caught up.

That's it.

Your claim Paul got it wrong is an assault upon scripture.

Those who believe scripture reject your claims.

It's that simple.
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It also says "ever will we be with the Lord in the air" which is a lie. Jesus' foot touches down on earth. He doesn't just stay in the air forever as your verse says.
THINK!
 
jeremiah1five said:
It also says "ever will we be with the Lord in the air" which is a lie. Jesus' foot touches down on earth. He doesn't just stay in the air forever as your verse says.
THINK!
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At first look you may think it is inaccurate.

However, without knowing the complete Truth beginning in Genesis, you will inevitably come to your false conclusion.
 
TomL said:
What do you fail to understand

One thing and one thing only has been argued

At the coming of Christ men will be caught up.

That's it.

Your claim Paul got it wrong is an assault upon scripture.

Those who believe scripture reject your claims.

It's that simple.
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Ok. People are caught up to ever being with the Lord in the air.
He never comes to earth; He never sits on His throne at Jerusalem.
There's your rapture. All this prophecy by Zechariah about the Lord coming back, lands on Mount of Olives to fight against His enemies and Israel's enemies is a lie. It never happens. Everybody who's saved just floats in the air forever.
That's what you believe.
 
DavidTree said:
At first look you may think it is inaccurate.

However, without knowing the complete Truth beginning in Genesis, you will inevitably come to your false conclusion.
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I don't need Genesis to see Saul's words are not true and contradict Scripture, especially Zechariah's prophecy in chapter 14.

3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations,
As when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives,
Which is before Jerusalem on the east,
Zech. 14:3–4.

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1 Thess. 4:17.

Is this supposed to be a secret rapture or something?
 
jeremiah1five said:
Ok. People are caught up to ever being with the Lord in the air.
He never comes to earth; He never sits on His throne at Jerusalem.
There's your rapture. All this prophecy by Zechariah about the Lord coming back, lands on Mount of Olives to fight against His enemies and Israel's enemies is a lie. It never happens. Everybody who's saved just floats in the air forever.
That's what you believe.
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Sorry but you seem to have a problem.

You read into statements ideas which are not there while picking and choosing which scriptures you will and will not affirm.

Again the only thing I have stated here is at his coming men are caught up to Christ as per scripture.
 
TomL said:
Sorry but you seem to have a problem.

You read into statements ideas which are not there while picking and choosing which scriptures you will and will not affirm.

Again the only thing I have stated here is at his coming men are caught up to Christ as per scripture.
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It states clearly Jesus doesn't come back as promised but remains in the air forever with whoever were "caught up." That's what you're saying you believe. This means Jesus doesn't fight against His enemies, Israel's enemies, and the Church's enemies and God's enemies. Nor does He sit on the throne of David at Jerusalem because He's stuck in the air.
That's what you believe and the ramifications of such teaching. Jesus remains in the air with those "caught up."

In short, it contradicts Zechariah who prophesied Jesus' return to the Mount of Olives. Now we can look forward to that never happening.
 
jeremiah1five said:
I don't need Genesis to see Saul's words are not true and contradict Scripture, especially Zechariah's prophecy in chapter 14.

3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations,
As when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives,
Which is before Jerusalem on the east,
Zech. 14:3–4.

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1 Thess. 4:17.

Is this supposed to be a secret rapture or something?
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You are definitely in 'need' of knowing the Truth.
 
jeremiah1five said:
It states clearly Jesus doesn't come back as promised but remains in the air forever with whoever were "caught up." That's what you're saying you believe. This means Jesus doesn't fight against His enemies, Israel's enemies, and the Church's enemies and God's enemies. Nor does He sit on the throne of David at Jerusalem because He's stuck in the air.
That's what you believe and the ramifications of such teaching. Jesus remains in the air with those "caught up."

In short, it contradicts Zechariah who prophesied Jesus' return to the Mount of Olives. Now we can look forward to that never happening.
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I am sorry but i see no statement saying that Christ does not come back as promised

you are adding to scripture
 

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