Calvinism makes man a new creation apart from Christ

TomL said:
Um one must have faith before he can receive the spirit

Galatians 3:2 (NASB 2020) — 2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

Galatians 3:5 (ESV) — 5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith—

Galatians 3:14 (ESV) — 14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

Ephesians 3:17 (ESV) — 17 so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith—that you, being rooted and grounded in love,

John 7:38–39 (ESV) — 38 Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, ‘Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.’ ” 39 Now this he said about the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were to receive, for as yet the Spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
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Faith comes out of the New Heart. See the natural heart we have by nature is evil, desperately wicked Jer 17 9

9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
 
brightfame52 said:
Faith comes out of the New Heart. See the natural heart we have by nature is evil, desperately wicked Jer 17 9

9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
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You failed to address the point

Um one must have faith before he can receive the spirit

Galatians 3:2 (NASB 2020) — 2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

Galatians 3:5 (ESV) — 5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith—

Galatians 3:14 (ESV) — 14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

Ephesians 3:17 (ESV) — 17 so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith—that you, being rooted and grounded in love,

John 7:38–39 (ESV) — 38 Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, ‘Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.’ ” 39 Now this he said about the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were to receive, for as yet the Spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
 
brightfame52 said:
You dont believe Christ makes a new creature for His Glory ? Isa 43 6-7

6 I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth;

7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.
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Once again you fail to address rebuttal

Sorry, your theology removes it from a union with Christ

thus it is unbiblical and you fail to deal with scripture

Ephesians 1:3 (KJV 1900) — 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

John 6:53 (KJV 1900) — 53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
 
TomL said:
Um one must have faith before he can receive the spirit

Galatians 3:2 (NASB 2020) — 2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

Galatians 3:5 (ESV) — 5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith—

Galatians 3:14 (ESV) — 14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

Ephesians 3:17 (ESV) — 17 so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith—that you, being rooted and grounded in love,

John 7:38–39 (ESV) — 38 Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, ‘Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.’ ” 39 Now this he said about the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were to receive, for as yet the Spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
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That should end the discussion for those with eyes to see :)
 
TomL said:
You failed to address the point

Um one must have faith before he can receive the spirit

Galatians 3:2 (NASB 2020) — 2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

Galatians 3:5 (ESV) — 5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith—

Galatians 3:14 (ESV) — 14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

Ephesians 3:17 (ESV) — 17 so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith—that you, being rooted and grounded in love,

John 7:38–39 (ESV) — 38 Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, ‘Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.’ ” 39 Now this he said about the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were to receive, for as yet the Spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
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Faith is a Spiritual Blessing that comes with the New Heart
 
TomL said:
Once again you fail to address rebuttal

Sorry, your theology removes it from a union with Christ

thus it is unbiblical and you fail to deal with scripture

Ephesians 1:3 (KJV 1900) — 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

John 6:53 (KJV 1900) — 53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
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You dont believe Christ makes a new creature for His Glory ? Isa 43 6-7

6 I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth;

7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.
 
TomL said:
The bible is clear man is made a new creation in Christ

2 Corinthians 5:17 (ESV) — 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

Calvinism however contrary to scripture holds God regenerates a man making him as new creation apart from a union with Christ
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Where is regeneration mentioned?
 
TomL said:
Um one must have faith before he can receive the spirit

Galatians 3:2 (NASB 2020) — 2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

Galatians 3:5 (ESV) — 5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith—

Galatians 3:14 (ESV) — 14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

Ephesians 3:17 (ESV) — 17 so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith—that you, being rooted and grounded in love,

John 7:38–39 (ESV) — 38 Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, ‘Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.’ ” 39 Now this he said about the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were to receive, for as yet the Spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
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Recieve or indwelt? I'm smelling a category error.
 
brightfame52 said:
Faith is a Spiritual Blessing that comes with the New Heart
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The new heart is a spiritual blessing that comes through faith, by faith in Christ. God gives the new heart to those who believe the gospel. FAITH COMES BY HEARING AND HEARING BY THE WORD OF CHRIST.

hope this helps !!!
 
civic said:
The new heart is a spiritual blessing that comes through faith, by faith in Christ. God gives the new heart to those who believe the gospel. FAITH COMES BY HEARING AND HEARING BY THE WORD OF CHRIST.

hope this helps !!!
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Again Faith comes packaged in the New Heart, thats a Promise of the New covenant in His Blood Ezk 36 26-27

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Jer 31:33 34

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me[by faith], from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
 
brightfame52 said:
Again Faith comes packaged in the New Heart, thats a Promise of the New covenant in His Blood Ezk 36 26-27

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Jer 31:33 34

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me[by faith], from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
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nothing about faith mentioned and only ASSUMED by you- EISEGESIS.
 
civic said:
No because none of the verses you quoted once mentioned FAITH. It was ABSENT from the text and you added the word FAITH into those texts. Thats a big no no.

hope this helps !!!
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You cant see it, thats not my job to give people spiritual sight to see truth
 

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