Calvinism makes man a new creation apart from Christ

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TomL

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The bible is clear man is made a new creation in Christ

2 Corinthians 5:17 (ESV) — 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

Calvinism however contrary to scripture holds God regenerates a man making him as new creation apart from a union with Christ
 
The Rogue Tomato said:
Where do you come up with these hairbrained theories?
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You failed to prove it hairbrained

Regeneration makes one a new creation. Your theology teaches one is regenerated before he can believe which would put one in Christ

Ephesians 1:13 (ESV) — 13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,

How is it you gave so little though to what your theology teaches?
 
TomL said:
The bible is clear man is made a new creation in Christ

2 Corinthians 5:17 (ESV) — 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

Calvinism however contrary to scripture holds God regenerates a man making him as new creation apart from a union with Christ
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Man is made a New Creation by Christ. Thats what His Saving a Person is all about. Everyone He died for shall be made a New Creation, His Death accomplished that. Isa 43:7

Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.
 
brightfame52 said:
Man is made a New Creation by Christ. Thats what His Saving a Person is all about. Everyone He died for shall be made a New Creation, His Death accomplished that. Isa 43:7

Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.
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You deny scripture. It is in Christ one is made alive , receives all heavenly blessings

Ephesians 1:3 (KJV 1900) — 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

John 6:53 (KJV 1900) — 53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
 
TomL said:
You deny scripture. It is in Christ one is made alive , receives all heavenly blessings

Ephesians 1:3 (KJV 1900) — 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

John 6:53 (KJV 1900) — 53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
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So you dont believe that Christ is responsible for making one a new creature as He saves them from their sin ?
 
brightfame52 said:
So you dont believe that Christ is responsible for making one a new creature as He saves them from their sin ?
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Do you read?

Can you point out where any such thing is even remotely suggested in my comments?

Address what was written and not that unsupported diversion

You deny scripture. It is in Christ one is made alive, receives all heavenly blessings

Ephesians 1:3 (KJV 1900) — 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

John 6:53 (KJV 1900) — 53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
 
TomL said:
Do you read?

Can you point out where any such thing is even remotely suggested in my comments?

Address what was written and not that unsupported diversion

You deny scripture. It is in Christ one is made alive, receives all heavenly blessings

Ephesians 1:3 (KJV 1900) — 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

John 6:53 (KJV 1900) — 53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
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Maybe its you who makes man a new creation apart from Christ.
 
brightfame52 said:
Maybe its you who makes man a new creation apart from Christ.
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More likely you mouth nonsense

It is your theology which elects and regenerates without an in Christ experience contrary to scripture

Ephesians 1:3 (KJV 1900) — 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

John 6:53 (KJV 1900) — 53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
 
brightfame52 said:
Yes it does say it. Faith is the fruit of the Spirit. The New Heart is given in regeneration of the Spirit
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Nope that’s not talking about saving faith it’s talking about believers already saved living by faithfulness through the Spirit.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace,forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control.Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited,provoking and envying each other.
 
civic said:
Nope that’s not talking about saving faith it’s talking about believers already saved living by faithfulness through the Spirit.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace,forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control.Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited,provoking and envying each other.
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lol Faith comes with the New Heart given. Ezk 36 26

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

The word heart means:

inner man, mind, will, heart, understanding

  1. inner part, midst
    1. midst (of things)
    2. heart (of man)
    3. soul, heart (of man)
    4. mind, knowledge, thinking, reflection, memory

Man believes on Christ wtih the New Heart Rom 10:9-10
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Do you think Rom 10 9-10 is talking about the unregenerate evil hard heart we have by nature ?
 
TomL said:
More likely you mouth nonsense

It is your theology which elects and regenerates without an in Christ experience contrary to scripture

Ephesians 1:3 (KJV 1900) — 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

John 6:53 (KJV 1900) — 53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
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Maybe its you who makes man a new creation apart from Christ. A new Creature is the product of Christs Saving work. His Saving work does a work for a sinner and in a sinner. His Death for sinners provided saving from the penalty of sin, and the power of sin dominating them. Do you believe that ?
 
brightfame52 said:
Maybe its you who makes man a new creation apart from Christ. A new Creature is the product of Christs Saving work. His Saving work does a work for a sinner and in a sinner. His Death for sinners provided saving from the penalty of sin, and the power of sin dominating them. Do you believe that ?
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Sorry, your theology removes it from a union with Christ

thus it is unbiblical and you fail to deal with scripture

Ephesians 1:3 (KJV 1900) — 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

John 6:53 (KJV 1900) — 53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
 
brightfame52 said:
Yes it does say it. Faith is the fruit of the Spirit. The New Heart is given in regeneration of the Spirit
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Um one must have faith before he can receive the spirit

Galatians 3:2 (NASB 2020) — 2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

Galatians 3:5 (ESV) — 5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith—

Galatians 3:14 (ESV) — 14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

Ephesians 3:17 (ESV) — 17 so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith—that you, being rooted and grounded in love,

John 7:38–39 (ESV) — 38 Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, ‘Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.’ ” 39 Now this he said about the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were to receive, for as yet the Spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
 
TomL said:
Sorry, your theology removes it from a union with Christ

thus it is unbiblical and you fail to deal with scripture

Ephesians 1:3 (KJV 1900) — 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

John 6:53 (KJV 1900) — 53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
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You dont believe Christ makes a new creature for His Glory ? Isa 43 6-7

6 I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth;

7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.
 

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