He wasn't personally regenerated.
Calvinism is Gospel !
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brightfame52
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Okay ? And ?
brightfame52
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Yes he was, had to be to have faith, a fruit of the Spirit.
FreeInChrist
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Enoch was in the flesh when he pleased God, as he lived a life characterized by faith and obedience before being taken by God without experiencing death. He is noted for his close relationship with God, ~GQ
By faith Enoch was taken up so that he did not see death: He could not be found, because God had taken him away. For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God.
Enoch was pleasing to God because he not only lived his life by faith in the God of heaven and earth, but he also lived his life in intimate communion with God.
Enoch’s righteousness set him apart. He consistently made choices that aligned with God’s moral standards. Enoch’s commitment to righteousness pleased God, as it demonstrated his desire to live in accordance with God’s commands. His righteous actions were not driven by legalism, but by a genuine love for God and a desire to honor Him in all aspects of life.
Enoch’s unwavering faith serves as an example for us to follow. Hebrews 11:5 states, “By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: ‘He could not be found, because God had taken him away.'” Enoch’s faith in God’s promises and his complete trust in Him allowed him to experience a unique and extraordinary outcome. Enoch’s faith challenges us to trust in God’s faithfulness and believe in His promises, even when circumstances seem impossible.
HE WAS A MAN IN THE FLESH. HE HAD A FATHER. HE HAD A SON. AND HE HAD FAITH.
brightfame52
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He had faith not from his natural father, but from regeneration. Having a natural father only means you in the flesh and cannot please God Christ gives Faith as ones Spiritual father heb 12:2
2 ;Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
FreeInChrist
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Read the Book.
Sorry bro, but none of the verses you listed show what we must do to be saved.
that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9
This is what biblical believing looks like; the action one must take to be saved.
FreeInChrist
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Just a side comment. By now most know I was in a "Calvin" following church all my life. Still am. I do not have to agree with them...my choice.
But when we had our classes to actually join the church some 66 years ago.... (for me) what you posted was what our classes were all about. And we did have to "confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead," along with the belief in the Virgin birth, and Jesus shedding His blood to save us.
I nvere once felt pulled or led by the heavenly Father to have faith in this. I merely knew I was being taught the "biblical" truth
and I had my desire to partake of my first Holy Communuin that if I did not have these beliefs then I could not.
Why do people find that so hard to understand..... And yes..... these was a teacher. School age I expected I needed one.
@JLB
The men Paul were talking about were men that Paul gave witness concerning, who fear God and had a zeal for him, which no unregenerate man has until he is first quickeded to life ~ yet these same men were ignorance of a very important truth concerning how one has the righteousness of God to his account. Much like many men we face on these Christian forums, who seems to love, fear, and have a great zeal for God, yet not based on true understanding of the gospel. Once they come to this understanding by confessing that Christ is the END OF THE LAW (or any works) for righteousness, they they can be "saved" from the error of their way by calling on the only name that secured God's righteousness for us.
You might want to get along with the Lord and ask him to open your understanding concerning Romans 10:1-13, and if asked in faith, He will.
"Correct", reason being, there are none that we must do before one is saved from his sins and condemnation. What I show you is how one IS saved from their sins and condemnation, nothing more.
You are so wrong, yet, you are not alone. Start at Romans 10:1, and ponder carefully down to verse thirteen and what you have is how one is saved in a practical sense from error to true knowledge of the truth of Christ's gospel, that would saved men from going about establishing their own righteousness who refuse submit themselves unto the righteousness that God provided and secured for his elect through Christ.
The men Paul were talking about were men that Paul gave witness concerning, who fear God and had a zeal for him, which no unregenerate man has until he is first quickeded to life ~ yet these same men were ignorance of a very important truth concerning how one has the righteousness of God to his account. Much like many men we face on these Christian forums, who seems to love, fear, and have a great zeal for God, yet not based on true understanding of the gospel. Once they come to this understanding by confessing that Christ is the END OF THE LAW (or any works) for righteousness, they they can be "saved" from the error of their way by calling on the only name that secured God's righteousness for us.
You might want to get along with the Lord and ask him to open your understanding concerning Romans 10:1-13, and if asked in faith, He will.
brightfame52
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Good exposition, also Paul knew these jews had faith already [regenerated] because he had heard of their faith Rom 1:8 and so he wanted to go preach the Gospel to them Rom 1:15 and he also was targeting the elect remnant who he knew God would eventually cause to believe.
I disagree and plainly posted the scripture of what one must do to become saved.
that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
If you do this… confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead… then you will receive this… you will be saved.
If means there is a condition that is to be met.
Unconditional election is completely false.
@JLB
Again:
You have not prove anything, as of yet. No pun intended, but it is a fact. I pray for the best for you, in all sincerity, you do seem to be very sincere in your faith, which is a very good thing.
The words save/saved/salvation are used in different senses in the scriptures and we must be able to know the sense of those words when we see them in the scriptures, or else, we will be very confused, maybe not to ourselves but those who know truth can see that one is, because they are not practicing what Ezra and Paul and other men of God did practice.
If you have time please consider hearing this short video made by a close friend of mine for over forty years. I have an outline that I could do, but time is precious for me at the moment.
Thanks for your time.
JLB, quoting scriptures proves nothing as far as providing the sense of what you are quoting, so others can understand the scriptures being quoted. Have you never consider:
Nehemiah 8:8
“So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.”Again:
2nd Timothy 2:15
“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”You have not prove anything, as of yet. No pun intended, but it is a fact. I pray for the best for you, in all sincerity, you do seem to be very sincere in your faith, which is a very good thing.
The words save/saved/salvation are used in different senses in the scriptures and we must be able to know the sense of those words when we see them in the scriptures, or else, we will be very confused, maybe not to ourselves but those who know truth can see that one is, because they are not practicing what Ezra and Paul and other men of God did practice.
If you have time please consider hearing this short video made by a close friend of mine for over forty years. I have an outline that I could do, but time is precious for me at the moment.
Thanks for your time.
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