Calvinism : Fictional Characters

[praise_yeshua]

Same here.

You once embraced the LXX. How often are you going to change your mind? I know why you want to keep it. You must.

 

[Presby02]

For the same reason that I know that 1 + 1 = 2

Very good. In second grade it gets a little harder though.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Okay that's interesting thanks for letting me know. I couldn't find anything on it. Well it's in my Bible So it works for me. I'm not tearing that page out.

Tell you what. Give me a reference for a single verse anywhere else in what you believe to be canonical that matches exactly what Proverbs 16:4 says.

Go for it. I'll wait. I've debated this subjected for decades. There isn't any. I know the subject well. You're settling for what you believe confirms your bias.

 

[Presby02]

And my treasure is Christ who died for all the sins of the world , for every single sinner.

Gospel truth 101.

hope this helps !!!

Universalism

 

[Biblelesson]

Sure. But I know of a case many years ago of a person on heavy drugs and they jumped off a building believing they could fly. To him that was a treasure of his way of thinking. He learned the hard way though how his thinking was in error. Among rational humen beings who insist and demand that words have to make coherent sense they WILL reject an idea that one party could ordain everything with no option for any other action and yet claim the other had free will. Truly if one embraces such a contradictory concept they stand the chance of their minds loosing touch with reality. Nothing absolutely nothing means anything anymore.

Sure, but There is this song. It tells us what it means.

 

[Biblelesson]

Tell you what. Give me a reference for a single verse anywhere else in what you believe to be canonical that matches exactly what Proverbs 16:4 says.

Go for it. I'll wait. I've debated this subjected for decades. There isn't any. I know the subject well. You're settling for what you believe confirms your bias.

Hold on a minute, I haven't settled for anything must have missed my post when I asked you to explain it to me I said go for it. I've already tried looking and couldn't find anything. You asked me to give you a couple of minutes and you would explain something to me. Now I have to give the references? Of course I'm going to settle for what I believe. Am I supposed to settle for something that I don't have a clue about?

I'm still open to what you brought up and wanted to show me.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Hold on a minute, I haven't settled for anything must have missed my post when I asked you to explain it to me I said go for it. I've already tried looking and couldn't find anything. You asked me to give you a couple of minutes and you would explain something to me. Now I have to give the references? Of course I'm going to settle for what I believe. Am I supposed to settle for something that I don't have a clue about?

I'm still open to what you brought up and wanted to show me.

You told another that you were not going to tear it out of your book. I'm glad your still open but I took what you said at "face value".

Sorry. My apologizes. I'll let you consume the information.

 

[Presby02]

Hold on a minute, I haven't settled for anything must have missed my post when I asked you to explain it to me I said go for it. I've already tried looking and couldn't find anything. You asked me to give you a couple of minutes and you would explain something to me. Now I have to give the references? Of course I'm going to settle for what I believe. Am I supposed to settle for something that I don't have a clue about?

I'm still open to what you brought up and wanted to show me.

I can not find anything either. Something is amiss

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

FWIW, even the Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) includes the verses missing in the Septuagint.

Also here: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/mishlei-proverbs-chapter-16
And here: https://mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt2816.htm

 

[praise_yeshua]

FWIW, even the Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) includes the verses missing in the Septuagint.

Also here: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/mishlei-proverbs-chapter-16
And here: https://mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt2816.htm

This is based upon the reconstructed MT manuscript from the 10th century. There is no evidence earlier than this from the Hebrew. None.

Why not just point to the MT? You're making observations that are nothing more than misdirection.

Have you looked at the DSS? Or have you abandoned that source because it doesn't fit your narrative?

Why don't you take the challenge. Provide one single verse from another area of your bible of choice that says the exact same thing. You are basing your belief upon what you desire to see. Other men before you have desired the same things. That is why they ADDED it.

There is no evidence that Solomon wrote those words....

Ultimately, it doesn't matter right? "What will be. will be"... right?

 

[civic]

Universalism

Nope it’s called faith and unbelief . That’s the golden ticket and has nothing to do with determinism but everything to do with whosever will let him come.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Presby02]

Nope it’s called faith and unbelief . That’s the golden ticket and has nothing to do with determinism but everything to do with whosever will let him come.

hope this helps !!!

Is unbelief a sin Christ died for? It is a command. 1 John 3:23

 

[Presby02]

FWIW, even the Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) includes the verses missing in the Septuagint.

Also here: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/mishlei-proverbs-chapter-16
And here: https://mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt2816.htm

That's pretty much what I found as well.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

This is based upon the reconstructed MT manuscript from the 10th century. There is no evidence earlier than this from the Hebrew. None.

Why not just point to the MT? You're making observations that are nothing more than misdirection.

Have you looked at the DSS? Or have you abandoned that source because it doesn't fit your narrative?

Why don't you take the challenge. Provide one single verse from another area of your bible of choice that says the exact same thing. You are basing your belief upon what you desire to see. Other men before you have desired the same things. That is why they ADDED it.

There is no evidence that Solomon wrote those words....

Ultimately, it doesn't matter right? "What will be. will be"... right?

Septuagint Proverbs 16:9 could be translated to mean the same thing. But if you're looking for other verses that say the same thing, read Romans 9.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Septuagint Proverbs 16:9 could be translated to mean the same thing. But if you're looking for other verses that say the same thing, read Romans 9.

Proverbs 16:9 has the same issue as verse 4.

Romans 9 doesn't explicitly state what Proverbs 16:4 states.

 

[Rockson]

Very good. In second grade it gets a little harder though.

Not so hard where it does a reversal of what 1 + 1 means. That's what Calvinism does. It says one things and seeks to do a reversal of what they just said. With all due respect the Westminster Confession seeks to do that very thing.

 

[Rockson]

That most certainly cannot be true because Calvinist definitely have a clear definition of theological terms.

I guess you'd have to explain that one.

We do not make him what he is by thinking a certain way about him.

Jesus came to reveal the certain way we're to think about him. If you've seen me you've seen the Father Jesus said. John 14:9

We don’t decide what he is going to be like.

It's not a matter of us deciding what he is like it's rather KNOWING what he is like.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Romans 9 doesn't explicitly state what Proverbs 16:4 states.

Yes, it does, but you tear that page out of the Bible.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Yes, it does, but you tear that page out of the Bible.

Nope. Prove it matches. I can read.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Nope. Prove it matches. I can read.

There's no point. We've quoted the section about the potter and the clay, etc., so many times, and you never interpret it the way it plainly reads.