brightfame52
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Well wait a minute doesnt all mean all ? Now you talking about not necessarily.
Calvin on unlimited atonement
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As I noted
It may well be the true spiritual house of Israel rather than a general future group, but no matter how you put it there will be physical Israelites who do not obtain salvation fitting in neither category.
brightfame52
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So are saying all in Rom 11:26 doesnt mean all Israel without exception shall be saved ? Yes or no
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes… Romans 1:16
The power of salvation is for those who believe. The power is not to make people believe, if that were the case then everyone who hears the Gospel would be saved.
Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. Luke 8:12
These ones by the wayside did indeed hear the Gospel, but because they didn’t believe they didn’t get saved.
brightfame52
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No the believing is brought about by a gospel revelation and a belief in it by a person.
brightfame52
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The believing is brought about by the power of God to believe what the Gospel has revealed as a truth/fact concerning the one the Gospel is sent to.
Were there any truth in your claim, Jesus would not be astonished or marvel at the presence or absence of faith.
Nor would God be provoked to wrath at the absence of faith.
brightfame52
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I dont know what you talking about
You do not know certain activities of men astonished or marveled Christ or caused him to weep
Matthew 8:10 (LEB) — 10 Now when Jesus heard this, he was astonished, and said to those who were following him, “Truly I say to you, I have found such great faith with no one in Israel.
Luke 7:9 (LEB) — 9 And when Jesus heard these things, he marveled at him, and turning around to the crowd that was following him, he said, “I tell you, not even in Israel have I found such great faith!”
Mark 6:6 (LEB) — 6 And he was astonished because of their unbelief. And he was going around among the villages teaching.
Luke 19:41–42 (KJV 1900) — 41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it, 42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
and Jewish unbelief enraging God
Numbers 14:11–12 (LEB) — 11 And Yahweh said to Moses, “How long until this people will despise me, and how long until they will not believe in me, and in all the signs that I have done in their midst? 12 I will strike them with disease, and I will dispossess them; I will make you into a greater and stronger nation than them.”
Psalm 78:21–22 (LEB) — 21 Therefore Yahweh heard and he was very angry, and a fire was kindled against Jacob, and his anger also rose up against Israel, 22 because they did not believe God, and they did not trust his salvation.
Psalm 106:24–26 (LEB) — 24 Then they refused the desirable land; they did not believe his word, 25 but grumbled in their tents. They did not obey the voice of Yahweh. 26 So he made an oath against them, to make them drop in the wilderness,
Such a response by God or Christ, were they actually determining such actions, would be rather irrational.
Then you must believe him somewhat weak
1 Timothy 2:3–4 (LEB) — 3 This is good and acceptable before God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
2 Peter 3:9 (LEB) — 9 The Lord is not delaying the promise, as some consider slowness, but is being patient toward you, because he does not want any to perish, but all to come to repentance.
as you make his power the sole means of accomplishing his want.
