Calvin on unlimited atonement

Well wait a minute doesnt all mean all ? Now you talking about not necessarily.
As I noted

It may well be the true spiritual house of Israel rather than a general future group, but no matter how you put it there will be physical Israelites who do not obtain salvation fitting in neither category.
 
As I noted

It may well be the true spiritual house of Israel rather than a general future group, but no matter how you put it there will be physical Israelites who do not obtain salvation fitting in neither category.
So are saying all in Rom 11:26 doesnt mean all Israel without exception shall be saved ? Yes or no
 
@JLB


Yes but the believing is brought about by ,according to the working of the power of God

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes… Romans 1:16

The power of salvation is for those who believe. The power is not to make people believe, if that were the case then everyone who hears the Gospel would be saved.


Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. Luke 8:12


These ones by the wayside did indeed hear the Gospel, but because they didn’t believe they didn’t get saved.
 
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes… Romans 1:16

The power of salvation is for those who believe. The power is not to make people believe, if that were the case then everyone who hears the Gospel would be saved.


Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. Luke 8:12


These ones by the wayside did indeed hear the Gospel, but because they didn’t believe they didn’t get saved.
The believing is brought about by the power of God.
 
The believing is brought about by the power of God to believe what the Gospel has revealed as a truth/fact concerning the one the Gospel is sent to.
Were there any truth in your claim, Jesus would not be astonished or marvel at the presence or absence of faith.

Nor would God be provoked to wrath at the absence of faith.
 
I dont know what you talking about
You do not know certain activities of men astonished or marveled Christ or caused him to weep

Matthew 8:10 (LEB) — 10 Now when Jesus heard this, he was astonished, and said to those who were following him, “Truly I say to you, I have found such great faith with no one in Israel.

Luke 7:9 (LEB) — 9 And when Jesus heard these things, he marveled at him, and turning around to the crowd that was following him, he said, “I tell you, not even in Israel have I found such great faith!”

Mark 6:6 (LEB) — 6 And he was astonished because of their unbelief. And he was going around among the villages teaching.

Luke 19:41–42 (KJV 1900) — 41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it, 42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.

and Jewish unbelief enraging God

Numbers 14:11–12 (LEB) — 11 And Yahweh said to Moses, “How long until this people will despise me, and how long until they will not believe in me, and in all the signs that I have done in their midst? 12 I will strike them with disease, and I will dispossess them; I will make you into a greater and stronger nation than them.”

Psalm 78:21–22 (LEB) — 21 Therefore Yahweh heard and he was very angry, and a fire was kindled against Jacob, and his anger also rose up against Israel, 22 because they did not believe God, and they did not trust his salvation.

Psalm 106:24–26 (LEB) — 24 Then they refused the desirable land; they did not believe his word, 25 but grumbled in their tents. They did not obey the voice of Yahweh. 26 So he made an oath against them, to make them drop in the wilderness,

Such a response by God or Christ, were they actually determining such actions, would be rather irrational.
 
The believing is brought about by the power of God to believe what the Gospel has revealed as a truth/fact concerning the one the Gospel is sent to.
Then you must believe him somewhat weak

1 Timothy 2:3–4 (LEB) — 3 This is good and acceptable before God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.

2 Peter 3:9 (LEB) — 9 The Lord is not delaying the promise, as some consider slowness, but is being patient toward you, because he does not want any to perish, but all to come to repentance.

as you make his power the sole means of accomplishing his want.
 
You do not know certain activities of men astonished or marveled Christ or caused him to weep

Matthew 8:10 (LEB) — 10 Now when Jesus heard this, he was astonished, and said to those who were following him, “Truly I say to you, I have found such great faith with no one in Israel.

Luke 7:9 (LEB) — 9 And when Jesus heard these things, he marveled at him, and turning around to the crowd that was following him, he said, “I tell you, not even in Israel have I found such great faith!”

Mark 6:6 (LEB) — 6 And he was astonished because of their unbelief. And he was going around among the villages teaching.

Luke 19:41–42 (KJV 1900) — 41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it, 42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.

and Jewish unbelief enraging God

Numbers 14:11–12 (LEB) — 11 And Yahweh said to Moses, “How long until this people will despise me, and how long until they will not believe in me, and in all the signs that I have done in their midst? 12 I will strike them with disease, and I will dispossess them; I will make you into a greater and stronger nation than them.”

Psalm 78:21–22 (LEB) — 21 Therefore Yahweh heard and he was very angry, and a fire was kindled against Jacob, and his anger also rose up against Israel, 22 because they did not believe God, and they did not trust his salvation.

Psalm 106:24–26 (LEB) — 24 Then they refused the desirable land; they did not believe his word, 25 but grumbled in their tents. They did not obey the voice of Yahweh. 26 So he made an oath against them, to make them drop in the wilderness,

Such a response by God or Christ, were they actually determining such actions, would be rather irrational.
You lost me
 
The believing is brought about by the power of God.

As I have shown from scripture, the power of God is available at the preaching of the Gospel, and only those who believe will benefit from it unto salvation.


The power is available but only those who chose to believe are saved.


For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. Romans 1:16


Only those who hear and believe the Gospel are saved.
 
As I have shown from scripture, the power of God is available at the preaching of the Gospel, and only those who believe will benefit from it unto salvation.


The power is available but only those who chose to believe are saved.


For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. Romans 1:16


Only those who hear and believe the Gospel are saved.
Again the believing is the result of the power of God, Gods power causes one to believe, and it has to be one of Gods elect
 
Again the believing is the result of the power of God, Gods power causes one to believe, and it has to be one of Gods elect
Believing is the result "Free Will" and God's grace.

The concepts of free will and God's grace present a theological tension, exploring the divine ability to act freely and the human capacity for choice in the context of divine favor. Grace is often defined as an unmerited favor or gift, which humans are then free to accept or reject, while free will is the ability to make independent choices.
We owe our election to our faith.
 
Again the believing is the result of the power of God, Gods power causes one to believe, and it has to be one of Gods elect

Sorry but as usual you twist the scripture.


The power is available but only those who chose to believe are saved.


For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. Romans 1:16


Only those who hear and believe the Gospel are saved.
 
Sorry but as usual you twist the scripture.


The power is available but only those who chose to believe are saved.


For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. Romans 1:16


Only those who hear and believe the Gospel are saved.
The power of God causes the believing.
 
You lost me
Read and consider

You do not know certain activities of men astonished or marveled Christ or caused him to weep?

Matthew 8:10 (LEB) — 10 Now when Jesus heard this, he was astonished, and said to those who were following him, “Truly I say to you, I have found such great faith with no one in Israel.

Luke 7:9 (LEB) — 9 And when Jesus heard these things, he marveled at him, and turning around to the crowd that was following him, he said, “I tell you, not even in Israel have I found such great faith!”

Mark 6:6 (LEB) — 6 And he was astonished because of their unbelief. And he was going around among the villages teaching.

Luke 19:41–42 (KJV 1900) — 41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it, 42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.

and Jewish unbelief enraging God

Numbers 14:11–12 (LEB) — 11 And Yahweh said to Moses, “How long until this people will despise me, and how long until they will not believe in me, and in all the signs that I have done in their midst? 12 I will strike them with disease, and I will dispossess them; I will make you into a greater and stronger nation than them.”

Psalm 78:21–22 (LEB) — 21 Therefore Yahweh heard and he was very angry, and a fire was kindled against Jacob, and his anger also rose up against Israel, 22 because they did not believe God, and they did not trust his salvation.

Psalm 106:24–26 (LEB) — 24 Then they refused the desirable land; they did not believe his word, 25 but grumbled in their tents. They did not obey the voice of Yahweh. 26 So he made an oath against them, to make them drop in the wilderness,

Such a response by God or Christ, were they actually determining such actions, would be rather irrational.
 
@Aaron


This is a false man made doctrine. It mixes grace with mans works
Faith and works are seen contrary here.

Ephesians 2:8–9 (KJV 1900) — 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Men are saved through faith, not works
 
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