BCF_WCF

see posts 74 and 75 since you like lots of scripture.
All those verses seemed to be people saying NO.
  • Calvinism argues that all men without exception can, will and do say NO to God's offer of Salvation because we are "totally Incapable" of saying YES in our own power. (That is why the Father must draw [John 6:44] and we are saved by grace through faith, not of ourselves, but a gift from God [Ephesians 2:8-9].)
Those verses appear to affirm Total Inability" rather than refute it.

If men were able, then there should be lots of verses about men choosing to believe ... of themselves and not a gift of God. God should need to PUSH some away if any were to be lost ... because ALL would freely choose LIFE over death. That is not what your verses show, is it?
 
All those verses seemed to be people saying NO.
  • Calvinism argues that all men without exception can, will and do say NO to God's offer of Salvation because we are "totally Incapable" of saying YES in our own power. (That is why the Father must draw [John 6:44] and we are saved by grace through faith, not of ourselves, but a gift from God [Ephesians 2:8-9].)
Those verses appear to affirm Total Inability" rather than refute it.

If men were able, then there should be lots of verses about men choosing to believe ... of themselves and not a gift of God. God should need to PUSH some away if any were to be lost ... because ALL would freely choose LIFE over death. That is not what your verses show, is it?
Jesus refutes irresistible grace below and they all say YES it can be resisted.

Matt 22:3
And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

Matt 23:37
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.

Luke 19:41
And when he drew nigh, he saw the city and wept over it,

Barnes:
the triumphant King and Lord of Zion wept! Amid all "his" prosperity, and all the acclamations of the multitude, the heart of the Redeemer of the world was turned from the tokens of rejoicing to the miseries about to come on a guilty people. Yet they "might" have been saved.

conclusion: Those whom He came to seek and save ( the lost ) rejected Him.

Todays Top 10 passages from both testaments refuting the false teaching called irresistible grace

1-Genesis 6:3: And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.”

2-2 Chronicles 36:15-16: And the Lord God of their fathers sent warnings to them by His messengers, rising up early and sending them, because He had compassion on His people and on His dwelling place. But they mocked the messengers of God, despised His words, and scoffed at His prophets, until the wrath of the Lord arose against His people, till there was no remedy.

3-Proverbs 29:1: He who is often rebuked, and hardens his neck, Will suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.

4-Isaiah 30:15 “For thus says the Lord God, the Holy One of Israel: ‘In returning and rest you shall be saved; In quiteness and confidence shall be your strength.’ But you would not.”

5-Isaiah 65:2“I have stretched out My hands all day long to a rebellious people, Who walk in a way that is not good, According to their own thoughts.”

6-Jeremiah 35:15 “I have also sent to you all My servants the prophets, rising up early and sending them, saying, ‘Turn now everyone from his evil way, amend your doings, and do not go after other gods to serve them; then you will dwell in the land which I have given to you and your fathers.’ But you have not inclined your ear, nor obeyed Me.”

7-Acts 7:51 “You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you.”

8-Acts 13:46: Then Paul and Barnabas grew bold and said, “It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles.”

9-Romans 10:21: But to Israel he says: “All day long I have stretched out My hands To a disobedient and contrary people.”

10- Matthew 23:37: Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her! How often I have wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.”

I will add several more for the icing on the cake :)

Galatians 5:4-7
You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace. For through the Spirit, by faith, we wait for the hope of righteousness. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision is of any avail, but faith working through love. You were running well; who hindered you from obeying the truth?

Hebrews 12:14-15
Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord. 15 See to it that no one falls short of the grace of God and that no bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many.
2 Corinthians 6:1
As God’s partners, we beg you not to accept this marvelous gift of God’s kindness and then ignore it.

Hebrews 10:29
Just think how much worse the punishment will be for those who have trampled on the Son of God, and have treated the blood of the covenant, which made us holy, as if it were common and unholy, and have insulted and disdained the Holy Spirit who brings God’s mercy to us.

Hebrews 12:25
Be careful that you do not refuse to listen to the One who is speaking. For if the people of Israel did not escape when they refused to listen to Moses, the earthly messenger, we will certainly not escape if we reject the One who speaks to us from heaven!

Hebrews 6:4-8
It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

Here we have those receiving Gods grace sharing in the Holy Spirit of grace reject it. They have fallen away permanently from His grace and can no longer repent.

Psalm 78:17;40
But they continued to sin against Him, rebelling in the desert against the Most High. How often they disobeyed Him in the wilderness and grieved Him in the desert!

Here we see them in the wilderness rejecting Gods grace upon them and grieving God in the process

Conclusion ; Gods grace is resistible

hope this helps !!!
 
Jesus refutes irresistible grace below and they all say YES it can be resisted.
One of us has a reading problem.
Jesus affirms Total Inability [T in TULIP].

Matt 22:3
And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
"THEY WOULD NOT COME" = They said "NO", not "Yes".

Matt 23:37
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.
"YOU WERE NOT WILLING" = They said "NO", not "Yes".

Calvinism = "People say 'NO'."
Free Will = "People say 'Yes'."

ONE MORE TIME!
What did those PEOPLE say? [YOU underlined it!]

For IRRESISTIBLE GRACE, let me ask you two questions:
  1. In the Parable of the Wedding Feast, was ANYONE at the wedding feast? Did the Father IRRESISTIBLY DRAW some?
  2. In Jerusalem, were any saved in Acts 2? Did the Father IRRESISTIBLY DRAW some?
 
One of us has a reading problem.
Jesus affirms Total Inability [T in TULIP].


"THEY WOULD NOT COME" = They said "NO", not "Yes".


"YOU WERE NOT WILLING" = They said "NO", not "Yes".

Calvinism = "People say 'NO'."
Free Will = "People say 'Yes'."

ONE MORE TIME!
What did those PEOPLE say? [YOU underlined it!]

For IRRESISTIBLE GRACE, let me ask you two questions:
  1. In the Parable of the Wedding Feast, was ANYONE at the wedding feast? Did the Father IRRESISTIBLY DRAW some?
  2. In Jerusalem, were any saved in Acts 2? Did the Father IRRESISTIBLY DRAW some?

There is no such thing as Irresistible Grace.

The manifestation of Grace...

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Act 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
Act 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
Act 7:53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

The Scriptures are full of instances wherein Grace is fully displayed toward all men even though they resist God.

Acts 7 is clear above. They resisted the Holy Spirit. Which means the Holy Spirit was dealing with them and they resisted. It is good to just believe the Scriptures. Not some teenager (Calvin) that didn't know he was doing.
 
There is no such thing as Irresistible Grace.

The manifestation of Grace...

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Act 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
Act 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
Act 7:53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

The Scriptures are full of instances wherein Grace is fully displayed toward all men even though they resist God.

Acts 7 is clear above. They resisted the Holy Spirit. Which means the Holy Spirit was dealing with them and they resisted. It is good to just believe the Scriptures. Not some teenager (Calvin) that didn't know he was doing.
And the Holy Spirit is God so the only way out is to deny the Trinity :)
 
And the Holy Spirit is God so the only way out is to deny the Trinity :)

Like we've said before and I've made them "angry" from........

I mean these people preach the Gospel to mankind... yet insist that those that actually hear the words coming of their mouths..... Can't understand them....

It is madness at an epic level. There is a reason they rushed forward and murdered Stephen. Paul included in the murder of Stephen........

They KNEW it was true.

When Paul meet Jesus on the road to Damascus, Jesus appealed to what Paul realized in Acts 7.

Act 9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
 
I don't think it ever was @atpollard ?
The OP makes a premise that sounds about correct from memory of the teaching found in the BFM and WCF.

The OP states three conclusions that are specifically addressed in the BFM and WCF and are NOT what those documents claim.

Therefore, the answer to the only actual QUESTION (“Sound about right?”) is … NO! Those conclusions are NOT what those Confessions teach … the conclusions are not supported by scripture as the premise is. Scripture teaches other conclusions described in the confessions referenced in the OP.

[I was being generous in offering to discuss any specific points of the BFM or WCF if the OP chose to read what it actually DOES say and had specific questions on what it actually says. My offer was declined.]

Now the rhetorical question in the OP has been answered.
To what purpose, I have no idea, but you and he have an explicit answer to an explicit question.
 
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One of us has a reading problem.
Jesus affirms Total Inability [T in TULIP].


"THEY WOULD NOT COME" = They said "NO", not "Yes".


"YOU WERE NOT WILLING" = They said "NO", not "Yes".

Calvinism = "People say 'NO'."
Free Will = "People say 'Yes'."

ONE MORE TIME!
What did those PEOPLE say? [YOU underlined it!]

For IRRESISTIBLE GRACE, let me ask you two questions:
  1. In the Parable of the Wedding Feast, was ANYONE at the wedding feast? Did the Father IRRESISTIBLY DRAW some?
  2. In Jerusalem, were any saved in Acts 2? Did the Father IRRESISTIBLY DRAW some?
It states would not and not could not

There is no total depravity there
 
Would not speaks only of a choice not to while could not speaks to an inability.
And if 100% of the human race freely chooses to exercise their will and follow their fallen nature to freely choose “not to” 100% of the time … is “cannot” vs “will not” a distinction without a difference?

[Romans 3:10-12 NASB20] 10 as it is written: "THERE IS NO RIGHTEOUS PERSON, NOT EVEN ONE; 11 THERE IS NO ONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NO ONE WHO SEEKS OUT GOD; 12 THEY HAVE ALL TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME CORRUPT; THERE IS NO ONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE."
 
And if 100% of the human race freely chooses to exercise their will and follow their fallen nature to freely choose “not to” 100% of the time … is “cannot” vs “will not” a distinction without a difference?

[Romans 3:10-12 NASB20] 10 as it is written: "THERE IS NO RIGHTEOUS PERSON, NOT EVEN ONE; 11 THERE IS NO ONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NO ONE WHO SEEKS OUT GOD; 12 THEY HAVE ALL TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME CORRUPT; THERE IS NO ONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE."
If is not an argument based on reality

Seeking God

Acts 17:26-27: From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out to him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us.

Hosea 5:15 (KJV) — 15 I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.

2 Chronicles 11:16 (KJV) — 16 And after them out of all the tribes of Israel such as set their hearts to seek the LORD God of Israel came to Jerusalem, to sacrifice unto the LORD God of their fathers.

2 Chronicles 19:3 (KJV) — 3 Nevertheless there are good things found in thee, in that thou hast taken away the groves out of the land, and hast prepared thine heart to seek God.

2 Chronicles 20:3 (KJV) — 3 And Jehoshaphat feared, and set himself to seek the LORD, and proclaimed a fast throughout all Judah.

2 Chronicles 20:4 (KJV) — 4 And Judah gathered themselves together, to ask help of the LORD: even out of all the cities of Judah they came to seek the LORD.

2 Chronicles 30:18–20 (KJV) — 18 For a multitude of the people, even many of Ephraim, and Manasseh, Issachar, and Zebulun, had not cleansed themselves, yet did they eat the passover otherwise than it was written. But Hezekiah prayed for them, saying, The good LORD pardon every one 19 That prepareth his heart to seek God, the LORD God of his fathers, though he be not cleansed according to the purification of the sanctuary. 20 And the LORD hearkened to Hezekiah, and healed the people.

2 Chronicles 34:3 (KJV) — 3 For in the eighth year of his reign, while he was yet young, he began to seek after the God of David his father: and in the twelfth year he began to purge Judah and Jerusalem from the high places, and the groves, and the carved images, and the molten images.

Ezra 6:21 (KJV) — 21 And the children of Israel, which were come again out of captivity, and all such as had separated themselves unto them from the filthiness of the heathen of the land, to seek the LORD God of Israel, did eat,

Ezra 7:10 (KJV) — 10 For Ezra had prepared his heart to seek the law of the LORD, and to do it, and to teach in Israel statutes and judgments.

Isaiah 58:2 (KJV) — 2 Yet they seek me daily, and delight to know my ways, as a nation that did righteousness, and forsook not the ordinance of their God: they ask of me the ordinances of justice; they take delight in approaching to God.

Psalm 9:10 (KJV) — 10 And they that know thy name will put their trust in thee: for thou, LORD, hast not forsaken them that seek thee.

All these were declared Righteous, just, pleased God, worshipped God



Able - Hebrews 11:4; 1 John 3:12

Lot - 2 Peter 2:7

Noah - Genesis 6:9; 7:1

Job - Job 1:1; 34:5

Abraham - Galatians 3:6

Lydia - Acts 16:14

Cornelius - Acts 10:22

Zechariah - Luke 1:5-6

Elizabeth - Luke 1:5-6

Joseph Matthew 1:19; Luke 23:50

Simeon Luke 2:25

Enoch Hebrews 11:5
 

is “cannot” vs “will not” a distinction without a difference?

[Romans 3:10-12 NASB20] 10 as it is written: "THERE IS NO RIGHTEOUS PERSON, NOT EVEN ONE; 11 THERE IS NO ONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NO ONE WHO SEEKS OUT GOD; 12 THEY HAVE ALL TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME CORRUPT; THERE IS NO ONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE."
It's a shame you reject context. Perhaps you'll now take hold of it. Where is Paul quoting from in Rom 3:10? He's quoting from Ps 14 that the fool has said in his own heart there is no god. Not every culture has taken a position of not seeking God. Not every culture has suppressed the truth. Some cultures can reach a point where even we say nobody wants to serve God anymore. Even when we say that we've not meaning there isn't ANY from an absolute stand point that doesn't want to. It's merely an expression of speech. Nineveh made a decision to seek God. Modern day even in the 1800 much of American culture made a decision to seek God. A times in the UK 1800s there was much in culture that sought to seek God. It can reach a point in culture where hyperbolically speaking it can be said as an expression that no one seeks God. To demonstrate ths Timothy 2 Tim 3:1,4 states, (please pay attention and don't sweep this under the rug)

"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 2 Tim 3:1,4

Notice it says this is what will be common place in the last days. By saying the last days demonstrates it's not always that way with all days. So you can have some times or periods of times in the earth where natural realm people, not saved can actually be lovers of good.....periods of time where where people generally speaking can be lovers of God and other positive things not so much how it will be in what's called the perilous times. Paul therefore was not speaking in favor that man is totally depraved and incapable of desiring good.
 
It's a shame you reject context. Perhaps you'll now take hold of it. Where is Paul quoting from in Rom 3:10? He's quoting from Ps 14 that the fool has said in his own heart there is no god. Not every culture has taken a position of not seeking God. Not every culture has suppressed the truth. Some cultures can reach a point where even we say nobody wants to serve God anymore. Even when we say that we've not meaning there isn't ANY from an absolute stand point that doesn't want to. It's merely an expression of speech. Nineveh made a decision to seek God. Modern day even in the 1800 much of American culture made a decision to seek God. A times in the UK 1800s there was much in culture that sought to seek God. It can reach a point in culture where hyperbolically speaking it can be said as an expression that no one seeks God. To demonstrate ths Timothy 2 Tim 3:1,4 states, (please pay attention and don't sweep this under the rug)

"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 2 Tim 3:1,4

Notice it says this is what will be common place in the last days. By saying the last days demonstrates it's not always that way with all days. So you can have some times or periods of times in the earth where natural realm people, not saved can actually be lovers of good.....periods of time where where people generally speaking can be lovers of God and other positive things not so much how it will be in what's called the perilous times. Paul therefore was not speaking in favor that man is totally depraved and incapable of desiring good.
Indeed as scripture shows


Men Seeking God

Acts 17:26-27: From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out to him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us.

Hosea 5:15 (KJV) — 15 I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.

2 Chronicles 11:16 (KJV) — 16 And after them out of all the tribes of Israel such as set their hearts to seek the LORD God of Israel came to Jerusalem, to sacrifice unto the LORD God of their fathers.

2 Chronicles 19:3 (KJV) — 3 Nevertheless there are good things found in thee, in that thou hast taken away the groves out of the land, and hast prepared thine heart to seek God.

2 Chronicles 20:3 (KJV) — 3 And Jehoshaphat feared, and set himself to seek the LORD, and proclaimed a fast throughout all Judah.

2 Chronicles 20:4 (KJV) — 4 And Judah gathered themselves together, to ask help of the LORD: even out of all the cities of Judah they came to seek the LORD.

2 Chronicles 30:18–20 (KJV) — 18 For a multitude of the people, even many of Ephraim, and Manasseh, Issachar, and Zebulun, had not cleansed themselves, yet did they eat the passover otherwise than it was written. But Hezekiah prayed for them, saying, The good LORD pardon every one 19 That prepareth his heart to seek God, the LORD God of his fathers, though he be not cleansed according to the purification of the sanctuary. 20 And the LORD hearkened to Hezekiah, and healed the people.

2 Chronicles 34:3 (KJV) — 3 For in the eighth year of his reign, while he was yet young, he began to seek after the God of David his father: and in the twelfth year he began to purge Judah and Jerusalem from the high places, and the groves, and the carved images, and the molten images.

Ezra 6:21 (KJV) — 21 And the children of Israel, which were come again out of captivity, and all such as had separated themselves unto them from the filthiness of the heathen of the land, to seek the LORD God of Israel, did eat,

Ezra 7:10 (KJV) — 10 For Ezra had prepared his heart to seek the law of the LORD, and to do it, and to teach in Israel statutes and judgments.

Isaiah 58:2 (KJV) — 2 Yet they seek me daily, and delight to know my ways, as a nation that did righteousness, and forsook not the ordinance of their God: they ask of me the ordinances of justice; they take delight in approaching to God.

Psalm 9:10 (KJV) — 10 And they that know thy name will put their trust in thee: for thou, LORD, hast not forsaken them that seek thee.

Men being declared Righteous, just, pleasing and worshipping God



Able -
Hebrews 11:4 (KJV 1900) — 4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

1 John 3:12 (KJV 1900) — 12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother’s righteous.

Lot -
2 Peter 2:7–8 (KJV 1900) — 7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: 8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)



Noah -
Genesis 6:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

Genesis 7:1 (KJV 1900) — 1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.


Job -
Job 1:1 (KJV 1900) — 1 THERE was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.

Abraham -
Galatians 3:6 (KJV 1900) — 6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

Lydia -
Acts 16:14 (KJV 1900) — 14 And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul.

Cornelius -
Acts 10:22 (KJV 1900) — 22 And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.

Zechariah -
Luke 1:5–6 (KJV 1900) — 5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. 6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Luke 1:5-6

Elizabeth -
Luke 1:5–6 (KJV 1900) — 5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. 6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Joseph
Matthew 1:19 (KJV 1900) — 19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.

Luke 23:50 (KJV 1900) — 50 And, behold, there was a man named Joseph, a counseller; and he was a good man, and a just:


Simeon
Luke 2:25 (KJV 1900) — 25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him.

Enoch
Hebrews 11:5 (KJV 1900) — 5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
 
If is not an argument based on reality
I was attempting to be polite in hope you would see the truth for yourself. Since you prefer accuracy over gentle rhetoric …

SINCE 100% of the human race freely chooses to exercise their will and follow their fallen nature to freely choose “not to” 100% of the time … “cannot” vs “will not” IS a distinction without a difference!

[Romans 3:10-12 NASB20]
as it is written: "THERE IS NO RIGHTEOUS PERSON, NOT EVEN ONE; 11 THERE IS NO ONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NO ONE WHO SEEKS OUT GOD; 12 THEY HAVE ALL TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME CORRUPT; THERE IS NO ONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE."
 
I would post more, but for some reason I cannot accurately type and edit and format posts on B.A.C. Using an iPad … so I will have to drop out until I am back home at my desktop computer next week.
 
I was attempting to be polite in hope you would see the truth for yourself. Since you prefer accuracy over gentle rhetoric …

SINCE 100% of the human race freely chooses to exercise their will and follow their fallen nature to freely choose “not to” 100% of the time … “cannot” vs “will not” IS a distinction without a difference!

[Romans 3:10-12 NASB20]
as it is written: "THERE IS NO RIGHTEOUS PERSON, NOT EVEN ONE; 11 THERE IS NO ONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NO ONE WHO SEEKS OUT GOD; 12 THEY HAVE ALL TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME CORRUPT; THERE IS NO ONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE."
This is a repeat ignoring the fact that quote references a number of Old Testament verses which in context are applied to specific but not all men.


As can be seen there are many examples of men seeking God and men being declared righteous

Men Seeking God

Acts 17:26-27: From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out to him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us.

Hosea 5:15 (KJV) — 15 I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.

2 Chronicles 11:16 (KJV) — 16 And after them out of all the tribes of Israel such as set their hearts to seek the LORD God of Israel came to Jerusalem, to sacrifice unto the LORD God of their fathers.

2 Chronicles 19:3 (KJV) — 3 Nevertheless there are good things found in thee, in that thou hast taken away the groves out of the land, and hast prepared thine heart to seek God.

2 Chronicles 20:3 (KJV) — 3 And Jehoshaphat feared, and set himself to seek the LORD, and proclaimed a fast throughout all Judah.

2 Chronicles 20:4 (KJV) — 4 And Judah gathered themselves together, to ask help of the LORD: even out of all the cities of Judah they came to seek the LORD.

2 Chronicles 30:18–20 (KJV) — 18 For a multitude of the people, even many of Ephraim, and Manasseh, Issachar, and Zebulun, had not cleansed themselves, yet did they eat the passover otherwise than it was written. But Hezekiah prayed for them, saying, The good LORD pardon every one 19 That prepareth his heart to seek God, the LORD God of his fathers, though he be not cleansed according to the purification of the sanctuary. 20 And the LORD hearkened to Hezekiah, and healed the people.

2 Chronicles 34:3 (KJV) — 3 For in the eighth year of his reign, while he was yet young, he began to seek after the God of David his father: and in the twelfth year he began to purge Judah and Jerusalem from the high places, and the groves, and the carved images, and the molten images.

Ezra 6:21 (KJV) — 21 And the children of Israel, which were come again out of captivity, and all such as had separated themselves unto them from the filthiness of the heathen of the land, to seek the LORD God of Israel, did eat,

Ezra 7:10 (KJV) — 10 For Ezra had prepared his heart to seek the law of the LORD, and to do it, and to teach in Israel statutes and judgments.

Isaiah 58:2 (KJV) — 2 Yet they seek me daily, and delight to know my ways, as a nation that did righteousness, and forsook not the ordinance of their God: they ask of me the ordinances of justice; they take delight in approaching to God.

Psalm 9:10 (KJV) — 10 And they that know thy name will put their trust in thee: for thou, LORD, hast not forsaken them that seek thee.

Men being declared Righteous, just, pleasing and worshipping God



Able -
Hebrews 11:4 (KJV 1900) — 4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

1 John 3:12 (KJV 1900) — 12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother’s righteous.

Lot -
2 Peter 2:7–8 (KJV 1900) — 7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: 8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)



Noah -
Genesis 6:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

Genesis 7:1 (KJV 1900) — 1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.


Job -
Job 1:1 (KJV 1900) — 1 THERE was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.

Abraham -
Galatians 3:6 (KJV 1900) — 6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

Lydia -
Acts 16:14 (KJV 1900) — 14 And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul.

Cornelius -
Acts 10:22 (KJV 1900) — 22 And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.

Zechariah -
Luke 1:5–6 (KJV 1900) — 5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. 6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Luke 1:5-6

Elizabeth -
Luke 1:5–6 (KJV 1900) — 5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. 6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Joseph
Matthew 1:19 (KJV 1900) — 19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.

Luke 23:50 (KJV 1900) — 50 And, behold, there was a man named Joseph, a counseller; and he was a good man, and a just:


Simeon
Luke 2:25 (KJV 1900) — 25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him.

Enoch
Hebrews 11:5 (KJV 1900) — 5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
 
BCF/WCF:

Premise:
a) God decrees/ordains all that come to pass.

Conclusion:
b) God decrees/ordains man to sin.
c) Man can do nothing but that which God decrees/ordains.
d) God punishes man for doing that which is decreed/ordained by God.

Sounds about right? If not, please explain.
Yup, that's right.
 
Yes and the same thing happens with a couple verses ripped from Ephesians 1. When looking at the whole context of Ephesians 1:1- 2:10 its clear that is supports the non calvinist position.
Actually it does not. What is interesting those who scream about "all", you know such as "all things" now wish to qualify the meaning of all or scream context without actually explaining the context.

So does all things mean all things without exception?
 
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