civic
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false premise- nowhere does the bible claim everything is predetermined- that is the calvinist assumption.
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You did not answer the question. Who determines the rest? The future is set. Set by whom????
civic
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I answered it and you didn't like the answer so re-asking the same question changes nothings. All your question proves is question begging with your presuppositions. Not everything is determined. Its as simple as that.
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Rockson
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Wake up and realize in some things yes. If not the Spirit of God would never be grieved. Eph 4:30
You mean hindered or stopped in some people's lives? Yes that's correct.
Or perhaps double Yikes to a system like yours which has made men mere robots with no liberty?
civic
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And all of Gods children said : AMEN
The future is set. So it's been determined by something or someone. Civic: God determines some things, so who determines the rest?
Thank you. A honest answer. Unfortunately that is a aseity violation.
So the future is dependent on God's creation. Go's is bound to create a world based upon the choices and actions of man. Aseity violation
What liberty is there in your system when your future choices are foreknown and certain? Can you choose other than how God foreknows your going to choose. The obvious answer is no. So where is the liberty to choose oyherwise?
civic
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presuppositions again since nowhere in the bible does it say all things are set set by God. Some things are not all things. As expected you conflate them just like you do with everything else.
Okay. Who or what is His co-setter?
civic
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another fallacy no one claimed there was another.
and millions of people plan and do things that are not Gods will or plan that was determined by God.
Remember God delivers from evil and does not cause evil, sin. God temos no man to sin. God is Good, not sinful or the cause of sin as some would falsely accuse God of being. These passages are proof I’m correct about God and Calvinism is wrong
James 1:13
When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone.
1 Chronicles 4:10
And Jabez called on the God of Israel, saying, Oh that thou wouldest bless me indeed, and enlarge my coast, and that thine hand might be with me, and that thou wouldest keep me from evil, that it may not grieve me! And God granted him that which he requested.
Psalm 121:7,8
The LORD shall preserve thee from all evil: he shall preserve thy soul…
Jeremiah 15:21
And I will deliver thee out of the hand of the wicked, and I will redeem thee out of the hand of the terrible.
Jeremiah 7:31
They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Hinnom so they could burn their sons and daughters in the fire--something I never commanded, nor did it even enter My mind.
Jeremiah 19:5
They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal—something I did not command or mention, nor did it enter my mind.
Jeremiah 32:35
They have built the high places of Baal in the Valley of Hinnom to make their sons and daughters pass through the fire to Molech--something I never commanded them, nor had it ever entered My mind, that they should commit such an abomination and cause Judah to sin
Now Read calvin below:
“But it is quite frivolous refuge to say that God otiosely permits them, when Scripture shows Him not only willing but the author of them.” Concerning the Eternal Predestination of God page 176
“But the objection is not yet resolved, that if all things are done by the will of God, and men contrive nothing except by His will and ordination, then God is the author of all evils.” Concerning the Eternal Predestination of God, p.179
Did you read that God is the author. Yikes
The Famous Calvinist John Piper who gets it from the WCF says the following about evil taken from desiring god website :
"Ephesians 1:11 goes even further by declaring that God in Christ “works all things according to the counsel of his will.” Here the Greek word for “works” is energeø, which indicates that God not merely carries all of the universe’s objects and events to their appointed ends but that he actually brings about all things in accordance with his will. In other words, it isn’t just that God manages to turn the evil aspects of our world to good for those who love him; it is rather that he himself brings about these evil aspects for his glory (see Exodus 9:13-16; John 9:3) and his people’s good (see Hebrews 12:3-11; James 1:2-4).
This includes — as incredible and as unacceptable as it may currently seem — God’s having even brought about the Nazis’ brutality at Birkenau and Auschwitz as well as the terrible killings of Dennis Rader and even the sexual abuse of a young child: “The LORD has made everything for its own purpose, even the wicked for the day of evil” (Proverbs 16:4, NASB). “When times are good, be happy; but when times are bad, consider: God has made the one as well as the other” (Ecclesiastes 7:14, NIV)." www.desiringgod.org/message...ds-gracious-hand-in-the-hurts-others-do-to-us
I rest my case.
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There has to be.
The future is set. Some of it by God and the rest by whom?
For instance, the number of the elect is known for certain and cannot change. Who determined that number?
So you deny God determined it then?
Huh? Determined it them?
Not if they are not the ultimate cause of the same thing.
Do you have anything but your unsupported opinion to offer?
civic
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Nope the future is not set, that’s your assumption
Then. Not feeling well
civic
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Oops
Civic now denies God's omniscience and appears to be embracing open theism.
Hope you feel better.
God created all things from nothing. Logically, there is only one ultimate cause.
