Arminian perspective on Gods Sovereignty and mans free will

[civic]

Good. Them my point stands. Thanks

No they are used interchangeably as synonyms in Scripture.

 

[Presby02]

No they are used interchangeably as synonyms in Scripture.

Good. My point stands. Thank you.

 

[civic]

Good. My point stands. Thank you.

So you agree with me, that's a good start.

 

[Presby02]

So you agree with me, that's a good start.

That's probably where it will end.

 

[civic]

That's probably where it will end.

I highly doubt it lol. I can name atleast 10 things we agree on.

 

[Presby02]

I highly doubt it lol. I can name atleast 10 things we agree on.

I hope your right. For once

 

[synergy]

A Compatibilist

Compatible synergistically. I can agree to that. What about you?

 

[praise_yeshua]

So what would you call someone who believes in personal free choice and believes in the fact that the Cross was predetermined? I would call him a Synergist. What would you call him?

It is both synergistic and monergistic.

Everyone seems to insist it is either or when it is BOTH. Ask someone why it can't be both and they go crazy.....

 

[civic]

It is both synergistic and monergistic.

Everyone seems to insist is either or when it is BOTH. Ask someone why it can't be both and they go crazy.....

Both are true but Monergism the way Calvinist define it is not true

 

[praise_yeshua]

Both are true but Monergism the way Calvinist define it is not true

Agreed.

 

[synergy]

Both are true but Monergism the way Calvinist define it is not true

I think even the Cross is synergistic because it's God allowing people to be willingly full blown evil that caused the Cross.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I think even the Cross is synergistic because it's God allowing people to be willingly full blown evil that caused the Cross.

Agreed.

God did limit what man would do to Christ. "Not a bone shall be broken"......

 

[civic]

I think even the Cross is synergistic because it's God allowing people to be willingly full blown evil that caused the Cross.

Amen

 

[Presby02]

Compatible synergistically. I can agree to that. What about you?

I can go for that.

 

[TomL]

firing on no cylinders

You got it

 

[civic]

God placed conditions upon those that He saves. Rom 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel.

yep the condition to be saved remains- one must believe the gospel.

that's on man not God- God saves those who believe the gospel message.

 

[civic]

I can go for that.

Wow really ?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Wow really ?

It is "equal outcome" to him. Only those who believe the Gospel are saved. He isn't expressing the entirety of what He believes. He still believes that not just anyone can believe the Gospel. He still believes in regeneration before a man can believe the Gospel.

It is a endless circle for them.

 

[Jim]

yep the condition to be saved remains- one must believe the gospel.

that's on man not God- God saves those who believe the gospel message.

Well yes, one must believe the gospel, but even more, we must obey the gospel. There are far too many who refuse to even consider what it means to obey the gospel and think that doing anything to be saved is a work-salvation based gospel. That is just not true.

 

[civic]

It is "equal outcome" to him. Only those who believe the Gospel are saved. He isn't expressing the entirety of what He believes. He still believes that not just anyone can believe the Gospel. He still believes in regeneration before a man can believe the Gospel.

It is a endless circle for them.

agreed