Are we under any covenants?

[jeremiah1five]

Um Paul was Jew

And Saul wrote to Jews and Jewish Christians. Why not? Jesus Messiah was prophesied to and for the Hebrew people. There is nothing in all 39 "books" of the Hebrew bible that God would later add Gentiles into the Abraham covenant bypassing the Mosaic Covenant and Gentiles never having "skin" in the game. Where are the documentation and recorded history of Gentiles claiming and clamoring they are in the Abraham Covenant years before Israel's Messiah arrived and during His life on earth? Why are there no records? Instead they wait until after Israel's destruction and the destruction of their Temple around which all Hebrew life revolves around and the scattering of the Jews to start making claims to all that God gave to Israel by way of covenant, blessings, protection and salvation in which to make their move to "inherit everything God gave to this people and now which will remain unfulfilled because now Gentiles are in the driver's seat and God has rejected Israel as His Bride in order to marry another woman - the Gentiles? Why the bigamy, the adultery, and the fornication by God to drop one Bride for another - the Gentiles?

 

[synergy]

And Saul wrote to Jews and Jewish Christians. Why not? Jesus Messiah was prophesied to and for the Hebrew people. There is nothing in all 39 "books" of the Hebrew bible that God would later add Gentiles into the Abraham covenant bypassing the Mosaic Covenant and Gentiles never having "skin" in the game. Where are the documentation and recorded history of Gentiles claiming and clamoring they are in the Abraham Covenant years before Israel's Messiah arrived and during His life on earth? Why are there no records? Instead they wait until after Israel's destruction and the destruction of their Temple around which all Hebrew life revolves around and the scattering of the Jews to start making claims to all that God gave to Israel by way of covenant, blessings, protection and salvation in which to make their move to "inherit everything God gave to this people and now which will remain unfulfilled because now Gentiles are in the driver's seat and God has rejected Israel as His Bride in order to marry another woman - the Gentiles? Why the bigamy, the adultery, and the fornication by God to drop one Bride for another - the Gentiles?

In addition to the grafting in of the Gentiles and the inclusion of the Gentiles in the New Covenant, there was also the justification of the Gentiles by God through faith. Read Gal 3:8-9:

8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.

Now your Judaizing spirit must really be hopping mad! What further blasphemous accusations are being vomited out from his mouth?

 

[TomL]

And Saul wrote to Jews and Jewish Christians. Why not? Jesus Messiah was prophesied to and for the Hebrew people. There is nothing in all 39 "books" of the Hebrew bible that God would later add Gentiles into the Abraham covenant bypassing the Mosaic Covenant and Gentiles never having "skin" in the game. Where are the documentation and recorded history of Gentiles claiming and clamoring they are in the Abraham Covenant years before Israel's Messiah arrived and during His life on earth? Why are there no records? Instead they wait until after Israel's destruction and the destruction of their Temple around which all Hebrew life revolves around and the scattering of the Jews to start making claims to all that God gave to Israel by way of covenant, blessings, protection and salvation in which to make their move to "inherit everything God gave to this people and now which will remain unfulfilled because now Gentiles are in the driver's seat and God has rejected Israel as His Bride in order to marry another woman - the Gentiles? Why the bigamy, the adultery, and the fornication by God to drop one Bride for another - the Gentiles?

And gentiles

Ephesians 2:11–19 (KJV 1900) — 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. 18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

Galatians 3:8–9 (KJV 1900) — 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

Romans 4 (KJV 1900) — 1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. 9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. 10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: 12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. 13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: 15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. 16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, 17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were. 18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations; according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be. 19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara’s womb: 20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; 21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.


What part of all nations and they which be of the faith of Abraham are you not able to understand?







You really do not like scripture do you

 

[jeremiah1five]

I believe it is true that every New Testament author except Luke was Jewish. So you're just throwing out the Entire New Testament? Then there is no possible way for anyone to be saved. The Old Covenant and the temple are gone, so there's no salvation there. If we take away the New Testament, then nobody can be saved. Who is it that doesn't want anyone to be saved?

No, every person who wrote the New Covenant manuscripts that comprise the New Covenant writings from Matthew to Revelation were all Hebrew descent for one unyielding reason, and that reason is that God gave possession of His Holy Word to the Hebrew people to whom His covenant Word was sent. Even Luke if he was of mixed heritage, meaning he had at least one Hebrew parent in his family line is still the seed of Abraham just as the Samaritans were also the seed of Abraham and inheritors of the promises of God.

The Old Covenant of Abraham and Mosaic Law are not gone but that there is a way to be saved by the Word of God just as Saul says and Peter as well.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal. 3:24.

And the faith by which we are justified is the faith Jesus expressed to God for all He did in His life on earth as Christ and the only faith God honored in our stead since dead men do not have faith as per may passages including Eph. 2:1.

And Peter also understood that we are saved by the Word of God and that Word Peter is referring to is the Old Covenant Scripture:

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 1 Pe 1:23.

The Old Covenant Scripture abides forever and cannot be "abolished" or "obsolete" or "gone away" as you say. And that Word is not regulated to only the written Word but also includes any Words God spoke when a lamb was slain from [before] the foundation (creation) of the world when in the heavenly Temple the sacrifice offered at that time which upon is the atonement of His called and covenanted people called Hebrew. THEY were the ones "kept" until Faith in the Person of Christ should appear, and appear He did as the only begotten Son of the Living God. And until the Lamb of God in time could be sacrificed to atone for this "kept" people called Hebrew they were all "kept", possibly "kept" named in the lamb's book of life who was slain for them and only them as says the Scripture (the Word of God) to Abraham when his covenant was made with him and with his seed. So, yes, God's covenant people can be saved and were saved under and by the Old Covenant (writings) for those writing "brought a person to Christ" as Saul eloquently says in Galatians 3:24 and elsewhere except as the writer of Hebrews says, "For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins" (Heb 10:4), and "For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified" (Heb 10:13–14) meaning Christ's sacrifice COMPLETED in His own blood what could not be accomplished by the blood of bulls and goats but only to [have them] "kept" until the "perfect" sacrifice could be made for the children of Abraham.

So, it is not what you 'believe' but what the Old Covenant says without which no one can be saved, and this includes the Law, the Psalms, and the Prophets.

 

[jeremiah1five]

In addition to the grafting in of the Gentiles and the inclusion of the Gentiles in the New Covenant, there was also the justification of the Gentiles by God through faith. Read Gal 3:8-9:

8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.

Now your Judaizing spirit must really be hopping mad! What further blasphemous accusations are being vomited out from his mouth?

The salvation covenants - all three Hebrew covenants bearing the names Abraham, Mosaic, and New - are between God, Abraham, and Abraham's seed and no non-Hebrew Gentiles are his seed. So, stop adding to the Words of God or you will be found a liar (which Scripture says you are.)

6 Add thou not unto his words,
Lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar (liar...)
Proverbs 30:6.

...pants on fire!

 

[synergy]

The salvation covenants - all three Hebrew covenants bearing the names Abraham, Mosaic, and New - are between God, Abraham, and Abraham's seed and no non-Hebrew Gentiles are his seed. So, stop adding to the Words of God or you will be found a liar (which Scripture says you are.)

6 Add thou not unto his words,
Lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar (liar...)
Proverbs 30:6.

Gal 3:8-9 is the word of God! Stop allowing your Judaizing spirit to call Paul "a liar".

...pants on fire!

Now your Judaizing spirit is being silly.

It's almost time for an exorcism of your Judaizing Ethnic-Cleansing spirit. It will continue to vomit out blasphemous thoughts but you need to stay strong by appealing to Christ and to your favorite Apostle of all times: Paul.

 

[TomL]

The Old Covenant Scripture abides forever and cannot be "abolished" or "obsolete" or "gone away" as you say. And that Word is not regulated to only the written Word but also includes any Words God spoke when a lamb was slain from [before] the foundation (creation) of the world when in the heavenly Temple the sacrifice offered at that time which upon is the atonement of His called and covenanted people called Hebrew. THEY were the ones "kept" until Faith in the Person of Christ should appear, and appear He did as the only begotten Son of the Living God. And until the Lamb of God in time could be sacrificed to atone for this "kept" people called Hebrew they were all "kept", possibly "kept" named in the lamb's book of life who was slain for them and only them as says the Scripture (the Word of God) to Abraham when his covenant was made with him and with his seed. So, yes, God's covenant people can be saved and were saved under and by the Old Covenant (writings) for those writing "brought a person to Christ" as Saul eloquently says in Galatians 3:24 and elsewhere except as the writer of Hebrews says, "For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins" (Heb 10:4), and "For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified" (Heb 10:13–14) meaning Christ's sacrifice COMPLETED in His own blood what could not be accomplished by the blood of bulls and goats but only to [have them] "kept" until the "perfect" sacrifice could be made for the children of Abraham.

So, it is not what you 'believe' but what the Old Covenant says without which no one can be saved, and this includes the Law, the Psalms, and the Prophets.

Seems the writer of Hebrews did not agree with you

Hebrews 8:13 (UASV) — 13 In his saying, “a new covenant,” he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Gal 3:8-9 is the word of God! Stop allowing your Judaizing spirit to call Paul "a liar".

I understand the Scripture just fine. It's your interpretation of the verses in question that I think are in error.

Take your verse in Gal. 3: 8-9.

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
Gal. 3: 8–9.

You interpret "heathen" and "nations" as meaning non-Hebrew Gentiles but it doesn't refer to non-Hebrew Gentiles. It refers to Hebrews, and yes, even mixed heritage Hebrews of Jew-Gentile descent.
Saul was a rabbi and a Pharisee. He KNEW the meaning of Scripture and is only applying the original meaning in Galatians 3: 8-9.

The original "nations" in Galatians 3: 8 refers to the descendants of Ishmael and Esau, upon which neither of them the covenant did not go through but are still Abraham's seed and became a people of nations and kings that rose up in their own family histories even to Saul's day.

As for the term "heathen" which Saul uses refer to the majority of Jews who did not return back to Israel when Cyrus of Babylon gave them permission to do so in 522 BC. For over five hundred years the offspring of these Jews being in captive and also living in Gentile lands in time their offspring of mixed heritage (Jew-Gentile) did not retain their commitment to the Mosaic Covenant as had the two southern tribes - Judah and Benjamin - did for the most part and these two tribes maintained some semblance of the Mosaic Covenant to which any of the ten northern tribes assimilated into Judah and Judaism which they brought to Israel when the remnant returned. The offspring of the ten northern tribes in 500 years had intermarried with Gentiles (also rape, slavery, and concubinage) whose children departed from the existing Judaism in Babylon and also in other Gentile lands lived as Gentiles absorbing their culture and yes, even their worship of false gods. These are the "heathens" Saul is referring to for he also knew that the Abraham covenant is between God and the Hebrew people and never between God and non-Hebrew Gentiles. Such belief breaks Scripture and violates the Word of God. These Jews of Gentile descent were identified as Samaritans and Hellenist.

Now your Judaizing spirit is being silly.

It's almost time for an exorcism of your Judaizing Ethnic-Cleansing spirit. It will continue to vomit out blasphemous thoughts but you need to stay strong by appealing to Christ and to your favorite Apostle of all times: Paul.

Show me in the Abraham Covenant when it was being made by God and recorded by Moses in Genesis 12, 15, and 17 God mentioning or including Gentiles in His covenant with Abram the Hebrew when he was alive on this earth.
To cut to the chase there is NO MENTIONING of non-Hebrew Gentiles in the Abraham, Mosaic, and New Covenants between God and the Hebrew people. God Himself makes reference to Abram's heritage by calling him "Hebrew" in Genesis 14:13.
But as a point of truth and fact there is nowhere in the Hebrew Scriptures God making the three Hebrew covenants with the Hebrew people God including non-Hebrew Gentiles. None. And that is where your break with Scripture resides. There are NO NON-HEBREW GENTILES in any of the three Hebrew Covenants. None.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Seems the writer of Hebrews did not agree with you

Hebrews 8:13 (UASV) — 13 In his saying, “a new covenant,” he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Peter disagrees with your misunderstanding of Scripture:

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
1 Pe 1:23.

Peter was referencing the Hebrew Scripture of Law, Psalms, and Prophets and the three Hebrew covenants it contains.

So, the covenants God made with the Hebrew people abides forever.

You do know the word "covenant" was added by the KJV translators - and probably by those who publish those new age modern translations which translators use corrupt Greek texts to translate their bibles. Thanks to Westcott & Hort.

 

[TomL]

Peter disagrees with your misunderstanding of Scripture:

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
1 Pe 1:23.

Peter was referencing the Hebrew Scripture of Law, Psalms, and Prophets and the three Hebrew covenants it contains.

So, the covenants God made with the Hebrew people abides forever.

You do know the word "covenant" was added by the KJV translators - and probably by those who publish those new age modern translations which translators use corrupt Greek texts to translate their bibles. Thanks to Westcott & Hort.

Sorry you read that into Peter and you deny Paul and the writer of Hebrews

You pick whatever you like and ignore the rest

 

[synergy]

I understand the Scripture just fine. It's your interpretation of the verses in question that I think are in error.

Take your verse in Gal. 3: 8-9.

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
Gal. 3: 8–9.

You interpret "heathen" and "nations" as meaning non-Hebrew Gentiles but it doesn't refer to non-Hebrew Gentiles. It refers to Hebrews, and yes, even mixed heritage Hebrews of Jew-Gentile descent.
Saul was a rabbi and a Pharisee. He KNEW the meaning of Scripture and is only applying the original meaning in Galatians 3: 8-9.

Gal 3:8 προιδουσα δε η γραφη οτι εκ πιστεως δικαιοι τα εθνη ο θεος προευηγγελισατο τω αβρααμ οτι ενευλογηθησονται εν σοι παντα τα εθνη

εθνη are Ethnics, those you want to cleanse off the face of the Earth, remember. And now you're saying they're blessed?!?! Your Ethnic Cleansing spirit can't even get its story straight!

Your ludicrous stories become more hilarious the more you open your mouth!

The original "nations" in Galatians 3: 8 refers to the descendants of Ishmael and Esau, upon which neither of them the covenant did not go through but are still Abraham's seed and became a people of nations and kings that rose up in their own family histories even to Saul's day.

The Ishmaelites (Arabs) would just love to return the Ethnic Cleansing favor that the Jews are bestoying on them.

As for the term "heathen" which Saul uses refer to the majority of Jews who did not return back to Israel when Cyrus of Babylon gave them permission to do so in 522 BC. For over five hundred years the offspring of these Jews being in captive and also living in Gentile lands in time their offspring of mixed heritage (Jew-Gentile) did not retain their commitment to the Mosaic Covenant as had the two southern tribes - Judah and Benjamin - did for the most part and these two tribes maintained some semblance of the Mosaic Covenant to which any of the ten northern tribes assimilated into Judah and Judaism which they brought to Israel when the remnant returned. The offspring of the ten northern tribes in 500 years had intermarried with Gentiles (also rape, slavery, and concubinage) whose children departed from the existing Judaism in Babylon and also in other Gentile lands lived as Gentiles absorbing their culture and yes, even their worship of false gods. These are the "heathens" Saul is referring to for he also knew that the Abraham covenant is between God and the Hebrew people and never between God and non-Hebrew Gentiles. Such belief breaks Scripture and violates the Word of God. These Jews of Gentile descent were identified as Samaritans and Hellenist.

After you botched up the word εθνη and now you changed your story that you're now co-inheritors with those you earlier wanted to ethnically cleansed, you want us to believe that they are the Babylonian Jews. How stupid do you think we are?

Show me in the Abraham Covenant when it was being made by God and recorded by Moses in Genesis 12, 15, and 17 God mentioning or including Gentiles in His covenant with Abram the Hebrew when he was alive on this earth.
To cut to the chase there is NO MENTIONING of non-Hebrew Gentiles in the Abraham, Mosaic, and New Covenants between God and the Hebrew people. God Himself makes reference to Abram's heritage by calling him "Hebrew" in Genesis 14:13.
But as a point of truth and fact there is nowhere in the Hebrew Scriptures God making the three Hebrew covenants with the Hebrew people God including non-Hebrew Gentiles. None. And that is where your break with Scripture resides. There are NO NON-HEBREW GENTILES in any of the three Hebrew Covenants. None.

I see that you keep running away from the New Covenant as fast as your little legs can carry you.

Run Jer15 Run!

You are certainly entertaining. Keep those hilarious fairy tales coming.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Sorry you read that into Peter and you deny Paul and the writer of Hebrews

You pick whatever you like and ignore the rest

There is evidence Hebrews wasn't written by Saul. It seems you're not well read up on the deeper things of God.
Tradition has often attributed it to Saul, modern scholarship generally disagrees.

The primary reason for doubting Saul's authorship is the significant difference in writing style and vocabulary between Hebrews and Saul's other letters. Hebrews lacks the typical salutation and personal references that are common in Saul's epistles.

Several other persons have been proposed as potential authors, including Barnabas, Apollos, Luke, and Silas. However, there is no definitive consensus among scholars, and the true author of Hebrews remains a subject of ongoing debate. There is enough evidence to discount Saul as the author of Hebrews. And I agree. But overall, I believe the Holy Spirit is the actual Author, it's just that we don't know which servant He used as His pen.

As for Peter's statement in the below passage, he writes:

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
1 Pe 1:23.

Peter was referencing the Hebrew Scripture of Law, Psalms, and Prophets and the three Hebrew covenants it contains.

So, the covenants God made with the Hebrew people abides forever. Nothing is "abolished" or "obsolete."

 

[jeremiah1five]

Gal 3:8 προιδουσα δε η γραφη οτι εκ πιστεως δικαιοι τα εθνη ο θεος προευηγγελισατο τω αβρααμ οτι ενευλογηθησονται εν σοι παντα τα εθνη

εθνη are Ethnics, those you want to cleanse off the face of the Earth, remember. And now you're saying they're blessed?!?! Your Ethnic Cleansing spirit can't even get its story straight!

That's right, the word is "ethnics." Hebrew people are ethnic people. They treated Samaritans as "ethnic" people as well as non-Hebrew Gentiles.

Your ludicrous stories become more hilarious the more you open your mouth!

The Ishmaelites (Arabs) would just love to return the Ethnic Cleansing favor that the Jews are bestoying on them.

God will not allow it. There's a reason this small nation of Hebrews has survived to this day despite the many times other "ethnics" tried to kill her off the planet. When you're the Chosen people of God and the apple of His eye you're not fighting the Hebrew people, you're fighting against their God.

After you botched up the word εθνη and now you changed your story that you're now co-inheritors with those you earlier wanted to ethnically cleansed, you want us to believe that they are the Babylonian Jews. How stupid do you think we are?

You're an idiot. You don't know a thing about Judaism. You should study more. When you come to 47 years of study of Scripture look me up.

I see that you keep running away from the New Covenant as fast as your little legs can carry you.

Run Jer15 Run!

You are certainly entertaining. Keep those hilarious fairy tales coming.

I don't run away from the New Covenant. I don't have to. I know what Scripture says and it cannot be broken. I know who I am in Christ. When you become born-again maybe you will too at that time.
Maybe.

 

[synergy]

That's right, the word is "ethnics." Hebrew people are ethnic people. They treated Samaritans as "ethnic" people as well as non-Hebrew Gentiles.

(Act 13:19) And when He had destroyed seven nations (εθνη) in the land of Canaan, he gave their land to them as an inheritance.

Canaanites are examples of Ethnics. So the very people that your Judaizing spirit wants to ethnically cleanse are the very same people that Gal 3:8 says will be blessed by God. You are just too hilarious!!!!

God will not allow it. There's a reason this small nation of Hebrews has survived to this day despite the many times other "ethnics" tried to kill her off the planet. When you're the Chosen people of God and the apple of His eye you're not fighting the Hebrew people, you're fighting against their God.

You're an idiot. You don't know a thing about Judaism. You should study more. When you come to 47 years of study of Scripture look me up.

Just one day of studying showed me that you run away from the New Covenant and that you can't even get your story straight about who is ethnically cleansed and who is blessed.

I don't run away from the New Covenant. I don't have to. I know what Scripture says and it cannot be broken.

You continue to run away from Luke 22:20 and Eph 2:11-13 that clearly shows that Gentiles are included in the New Covenant by the Blood of Christ.

20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

Gentiles are definitely part of that New Covenant brought near by the blood of Christ, as declared by Paul in Eph 2:11-13:

11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands
12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

Why don't you believe Paul? I thought he was your favorite Apostle of all times.

I know who I am in Christ. When you become born-again maybe you will too at that time.
Maybe.

No way will I ever be born again of the same Judaizing Ethnic-Cleansing Confused spirit that you were born again of.

 

[TomL]

There is evidence Hebrews wasn't written by Saul. It seems you're not well read up on the deeper things of God.
Tradition has often attributed it to Saul, modern scholarship generally disagrees.

The primary reason for doubting Saul's authorship is the significant difference in writing style and vocabulary between Hebrews and Saul's other letters. Hebrews lacks the typical salutation and personal references that are common in Saul's epistles.

Several other persons have been proposed as potential authors, including Barnabas, Apollos, Luke, and Silas. However, there is no definitive consensus among scholars, and the true author of Hebrews remains a subject of ongoing debate. There is enough evidence to discount Saul as the author of Hebrews. And I agree. But overall, I believe the Holy Spirit is the actual Author, it's just that we don't know which servant He used as His pen.

As for Peter's statement in the below passage, he writes:

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
1 Pe 1:23.

Peter was referencing the Hebrew Scripture of Law, Psalms, and Prophets and the three Hebrew covenants it contains.

So, the covenants God made with the Hebrew people abides forever. Nothing is "abolished" or "obsolete."

Read again

I stated nothing about Hebrews being written by Saul

Regarding 1Pe

1 Peter 1:25 (KJV 1900) — 25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

The gospel is particurly in view

 

[TomL]

I understand the Scripture just fine. It's your interpretation of the verses in question that I think are in error.

Take your verse in Gal. 3: 8-9.

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
Gal. 3: 8–9.

You interpret "heathen" and "nations" as meaning non-Hebrew Gentiles but it doesn't refer to non-Hebrew Gentiles. It refers to Hebrews, and yes, even mixed heritage Hebrews of Jew-Gentile descent.
Saul was a rabbi and a Pharisee. He KNEW the meaning of Scripture and is only applying the original meaning in Galatians 3: 8-9.

The original "nations" in Galatians 3: 8 refers to the descendants of Ishmael and Esau, upon which neither of them the covenant did not go through but are still Abraham's seed and became a people of nations and kings that rose up in their own family histories even to Saul's day.

Context refutes you

Galatians 3:7–14 (KJV 1900) — 7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Galatians 3:7–8 (ESV) — 7 Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.”

Galatians 3:8 (LSB) — 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, proclaimed the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU.”

Galatians 3:8 (NIV) — 8 Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.”

Galatians 3:8 (NASB 2020) — 8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU.”

Galatians 3:8–14 (UASV) — 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God justifies the nations by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with the faithful Abraham. 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under a curse, for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all the things that are written in the book of the Law to do them.” 11 Now that no one is justified by the law before God is evident; for, “The righteous man shall live by faith.” 12 But the Law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, because it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree,” 14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Your bias and hatred deceive you

 

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(Act 13:19) And when He had destroyed seven nations (εθνη) in the land of Canaan, he gave their land to them as an inheritance.

Canaanites are examples of Ethnics. So the very people that your Judaizing spirit wants to ethnically cleanse are the very same people that Gal 3:8 says will be blessed by God. You are just too hilarious!!!!

You need to learn and make distinctions.

A Jewish Interpretation of Acts 13:16-20​

Context and Theme

The passage from Acts 13 is a pivotal moment in Paul's missionary journey, specifically in Antioch of Pisidia. He's addressing a mixed audience of Jews and Samaritan-type of mixed-heritage Jews, and his goal is to present the Gospel as a fulfillment of the Old Testament promises. The verses in question highlight the history of Israel as a prelude to this fulfillment.

Key Themes and Comparisons

1. Divine Election and Exodus:
   • Old Testament: The concept of God's chosen people is central to the Hebrew Bible, beginning with Abraham. The Exodus from Egypt is a defining moment, symbolizing God's deliverance and covenant with Israel.
   • New Testament: Paul echoes this theme, suggesting that the Gospel is the ultimate fulfillment of God's promise to Abraham and the nation of Israel.
2. Divine Patience and Discipline:
   • Old Testament: The wilderness wandering is a period of testing and discipline, reflecting Israel's shortcomings and God's patience.
   • New Testament: This theme resonates with the Jewish Christian understanding of the Jewish Church as a spiritual Israel. The journey through life is seen as a test of faith, and God's discipline is ultimately for our benefit.
3. Conquest and Inheritance:
   • Old Testament: The conquest of Canaan is a significant event in Israel's history, symbolizing God's fulfillment of the promise of the land.
   • New Testament: Paul suggests that the spiritual inheritance of the Kingdom of God is the true fulfillment of the land promise.
4. Judges and Prophets:
   • Old Testament: The period of the Judges is marked by both triumphs and failures, highlighting the importance of leadership and God's guidance. The prophets call Israel back to faithfulness.
   • New Testament: The role of the prophets is seen as a precursor to the coming of the Messiah. Jesus is presented as the ultimate prophet and fulfillment of the prophetic tradition.

Jewish Interpretation

From a Jewish perspective, these verses would be seen as a historical account of Israel's experiences. The emphasis would be on God's faithfulness to His covenant and Israel's role as a chosen people. Messiah and a spiritual Kingdom are the core elements of the story and would be accepted as part of Jewish tradition.

Key Points for Jewish Interpretation:

• God's Sovereignty: The focus would be on God's control over history and His unwavering commitment to His people.
• Israel's Unique Role: The Jewish people would see themselves as having a special relationship with God and a unique mission in the world.
• The Importance of the Law: The Torah would be seen as the foundation of Israel's identity and the source of God's blessings.

Conclusion

While the New Testament interprets these events in a Messianic context, the Jewish understanding would primarily focus on the historical narrative and its significance for the Jewish people. Both perspectives recognize the importance of these events in shaping the religious and cultural identity of both Judaism and Jewish Christianity.
Salvation is of the Jews.

Just one day of studying showed me that you run away from the New Covenant and that you can't even get your story straight about who is ethnically cleansed and who is blessed.

The New Covenant is the Mosaic Covenant fulfilled by Jesus Christ. Instead of an animal atoning the sins of the children of Israel yearly and temporarily, the Christ substituted for the animal and atoned for the sins of the children of Israel forever. This is why this is true for the children of Israel also known as the Jews:

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Gal. 4:4–5.

You obviously think you can pick and choose what Scripture to hold to thus leaving a bad example to young Christians who see what you do and copy it to their own destruction. In effect making a neophyte twice the child of hell as you are.

You continue to run away from Luke 22:20 and Eph 2:11-13 that clearly shows that Gentiles are included in the New Covenant by the Blood of Christ.

20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

It's your interpretation of who these Gentiles are in the New Covenant Scripture as you recognize them as non-Hebrew Gentiles - which violates and breaks with Scripture for the Word of God says God made covenant three times with the Hebrew people and upon studying these three covenants (Abraham, Mosaic, and New) there are NO NON-HEBREW GENTILES in any of them, thus, Saul, Peter, James, John, do not contradict what is written in the Old Testament but that it is your interpretation of these passages and the doctrine as a whole that your interpretation is flawed. Salvation is of the Jews - NOT THE GENTILES.
There is a reason why Jesus' interaction with Samaritans is in the bible. It is because there are still yet two more times in which the Hebrew people will be scattered throughout the world and for many reasons Jews must intermarry with non-Hebrew Gentiles and have offspring of mixed heritage that like the Samaritans who were half-Jew and half-Gentile are still Abraham's seed and STILL inheritors of the promises given to Abraham and Moses to the Hebrew children of Abraham.

Gentiles are definitely part of that New Covenant brought near by the blood of Christ, as declared by Paul in Eph 2:11-13:

Your interpretation is flawed. There are NO non-Hebrew Gentiles in ANY of the three Hebrew covenants. NONE.

11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands
12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

Why don't you believe Paul? I thought he was your favorite Apostle of all times.

No way will I ever be born again of the same Judaizing Ethnic-Cleansing Confused spirit that you were born again of.

Jesus Christ was prophesied to be an ethnic-saving Messiah promised to IOsrael when it is said of His mission in life to save ONLY the seed of Abraham:

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Mt 1:20–21.

And this He did by being sacrificed on His cross and atoning the sins of the children of Israel - HIS PEOPLE - and resurrecting to newness of life and saving His people as prophesied.

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Gal. 4:4–5.

 

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Read again

I stated nothing about Hebrews being written by Saul

Regarding 1Pe

1 Peter 1:25 (KJV 1900) — 25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

The gospel is particurly in view

There are many gospels in Scripture. To which is Peter referring?

 

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Context refutes you

Galatians 3:7–14 (KJV 1900) — 7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Galatians 3:7–8 (ESV) — 7 Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.”

Galatians 3:8 (LSB) — 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, proclaimed the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU.”

Galatians 3:8 (NIV) — 8 Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.”

Galatians 3:8 (NASB 2020) — 8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU.”

Galatians 3:8–14 (UASV) — 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God justifies the nations by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with the faithful Abraham. 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under a curse, for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all the things that are written in the book of the Law to do them.” 11 Now that no one is justified by the law before God is evident; for, “The righteous man shall live by faith.” 12 But the Law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, because it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree,” 14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Your bias and hatred deceive you

The Abraham Covenant is between God, Abraham, and Abraham's seed. There are NO non-Hebrew Gentiles named or mentioned in the covenant.

The Mosaic Covenant is between God and the children of Israel/Jacob, who is a seed of Isaac, who is a seed of Abraham. There are NO non-Hebrew Gentiles in this covenant.

The New Covenant prophesied by Jeremiah, one of Israel's prophets, is between God and the ten tribes of the northern kingdom called the House of Israel, and the two tribes of the southern kingdom called the House of Judah (Jer. 31:31-34), NO non-Hebrew Gentiles are included in this covenant either.

Salvation is of the Jews - NOT NON-HEBREW GENTILES.

Jesus had the same bias as He was prophesied to save His people and ONLY His people called the twelve tribes of Israel, and the seed of Abraham. Non-Hebrew Gentiles are NOT the seed of Abraham.

 

[TomL]

The Abraham Covenant is between God, Abraham, and Abraham's seed. There are NO non-Hebrew Gentiles named or mentioned in the covenant.

The Mosaic Covenant is between God and the children of Israel/Jacob, who is a seed of Isaac, who is a seed of Abraham. There are NO non-Hebrew Gentiles in this covenant.

The New Covenant prophesied by Jeremiah, one of Israel's prophets, is between God and the ten tribes of the northern kingdom called the House of Israel, and the two tribes of the southern kingdom called the House of Judah (Jer. 31:31-34), NO non-Hebrew Gentiles are included in this covenant either.

Salvation is of the Jews - NOT NON-HEBREW GENTILES.

Jesus had the same bias as He was prophesied to save His people and ONLY His people called the twelve tribes of Israel, and the seed of Abraham. Non-Hebrew Gentiles are NOT the seed of Abraham.

Sorry even Gentiles are Abraham's seed

Galatians 3:28–29 (KJV 1900) — 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Your views are an aberration

as stated

Galatians 3:7–14 (KJV 1900) — 7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Galatians 3:7–8 (ESV) — 7 Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.”

Galatians 3:8 (LSB) — 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, proclaimed the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU.”

Galatians 3:8 (NIV) — 8 Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.”

Galatians 3:8 (NASB 2020) — 8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU.”

Galatians 3:8–14 (UASV) — 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God justifies the nations by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with the faithful Abraham. 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under a curse, for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all the things that are written in the book of the Law to do them.” 11 Now that no one is justified by the law before God is evident; for, “The righteous man shall live by faith.” 12 But the Law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, because it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree,” 14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Your bias and hatred deceive you