Are we under any covenants?

jeremiah1five said:
Where in the Hebrew Scripture does God call Gentile's "kings" and "priests" in the same context you are using? If it's biblical it will be in the Hebrew Scripture.
Go ahead. Post it.
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People can see how deceived people can be, and reject plain scripture. Folks see how this poster says these are all ethnic jews Rev 5:9-10

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
 
brightfame52 said:
People can see how deceived people can be, and reject plain scripture. Folks see how this poster says these are all ethnic jews Rev 5:9-10

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
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Hello @brightfame52,

This refers to the redeemed of Israel.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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Hello @brightfame52,

This refers to the redeemed of Israel.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
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People can see how deceived people can be, and reject plain scripture. Folks see how this poster says these are all ethnic jews Rev 5:9-10

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
 
brightfame52 said:
People can see how deceived people can be, and reject plain scripture. Folks see how this poster says these are all ethnic jews Rev 5:9-10

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
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'And they sung a new song, saying,
Thou art worthy to take the book,
.. and to open the seals thereof:
.... for thou wast slain,
...... and hast redeemed us to God
........ by Thy blood
.......... out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
And hast made us unto our God kings and priests:
and we shall reign on the earth.'
(Rev 5:9-10)

Hello again, @brightfame,

These elect are the saints spoken of and referred to in Matt. 24:31, and Daniel 7:18, 22, 27.

'And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet,
and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds,
from one end of heaven to the other.'
(Mat 24:31)

'But the saints of the most High
shall take the kingdom,
and possess the kingdom for ever,
even for ever and ever.'
(Dan 7:18)

'I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints,
and prevailed against them;
Until the Ancient of days came,
and judgment was given to the saints of the most High;
and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.'
(Dan 7:21-22)

'And the kingdom and dominion,
and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven,
shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High,
Whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
and all dominions shall serve and obey Him.'
(Dan 7:27)

* They are, 'the saints of the Most High': 'The Most High', being a Divine title, always used in connection with the earth; and not with the Church.

'And from Jesus Christ,
.. Who is the faithful witness,
.... and the first begotten of the dead,
...... and the prince of the kings of the earth.
Unto Him that loved us,
.. and washed us from our sins in His Own blood,
.... And hath made us kings and priests unto God and His Father;
...... to Him be glory and dominion for ever and ever.
Amen.'
(Rev 1:5-6)

* The book of Revelation is Israel centric, it is not about the Church (see Exodus 9:6).

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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'And they sung a new song, saying,
Thou art worthy to take the book,
.. and to open the seals thereof:
.... for thou wast slain,
...... and hast redeemed us to God
........ by Thy blood
.......... out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
And hast made us unto our God kings and priests:
and we shall reign on the earth.'
(Rev 5:9-10)

Hello again, @brightfame,

These elect are the saints spoken of and referred to in Matt. 24:31, and Daniel 7:18, 22, 27.

'And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet,
and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds,
from one end of heaven to the other.'
(Mat 24:31)

'But the saints of the most High
shall take the kingdom,
and possess the kingdom for ever,
even for ever and ever.'
(Dan 7:18)

'I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints,
and prevailed against them;
Until the Ancient of days came,
and judgment was given to the saints of the most High;
and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.'
(Dan 7:21-22)

'And the kingdom and dominion,
and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven,
shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High,
Whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
and all dominions shall serve and obey Him.'
(Dan 7:27)

* They are, 'the saints of the Most High': 'The Most High', being a Divine title, always used in connection with the earth; and not with the Church.

'And from Jesus Christ,
.. Who is the faithful witness,
.... and the first begotten of the dead,
...... and the prince of the kings of the earth.
Unto Him that loved us,
.. and washed us from our sins in His Own blood,
.... And hath made us kings and priests unto God and His Father;
...... to Him be glory and dominion for ever and ever.
Amen.'
(Rev 1:5-6)

* The book of Revelation is Israel centric, it is not about the Church (see Exodus 9:6).

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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So you believe these people are ethnic jews ?

Rev 5:9

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
 
brightfame52 said:
So you believe these people are ethnic jews ?

Rev 5:9

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
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Yes Every does not mean some or just one
 
Subject Heading:- Are we under any covenants?

brightfame52 said:
So you believe these people are ethnic jews ?

Rev 5:9
And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
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Hello @brightfame52,

I believe that the book of Revelation concerns the children of Israel. Yes.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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TomL said:
But no one here but yourself deny the New Testament scriptures.

Your's is an easily identified heresy.

It is stated that sons of Abraham can be made from rocks, but you deny they can be made from gentiles
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I don't dent the New Covenant writings including
The New Testament consists of 27 books, divided into five categories:

I interpret these Hebrew Scriptures under the anointing and with a Jewish mindset considering that Hebrew writings are best understood with a Jewish mindset. You interpret these writings as a Gentile with a Gentil mindset, interpreting the Hebrew writings as a Gentile which leads you into error and misunderstanding.
Pray the Lord open your mind to His truth and the not the lies of Gentiles who have stolen what belongs to Israel from the days of Israel's destruction by the Romans and the destruction of the Jewish Temple. Before this destruction there were NO non-Hebrew Gentiles claiming and clamoring, they were in the Hebrew covenants. This only occurred right after Israel was destroyed and their commonwealth was destroyed by non-Hebrew Gentiles.
 
jeremiah1five said:
I don't dent the New Covenant writings including
The New Testament consists of 27 books, divided into five categories:

I interpret these Hebrew Scriptures under the anointing and with a Jewish mindset considering that Hebrew writings are best understood with a Jewish mindset. You interpret these writings as a Gentile with a Gentil mindset, interpreting the Hebrew writings as a Gentile which leads you into error and misunderstanding.
Pray the Lord open your mind to His truth and the not the lies of Gentiles who have stolen what belongs to Israel from the days of Israel's destruction by the Romans and the destruction of the Jewish Temple. Before this destruction there were NO non-Hebrew Gentiles claiming and clamoring, they were in the Hebrew covenants. This only occurred right after Israel was destroyed and their commonwealth was destroyed by non-Hebrew Gentiles.
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Sorry but you do

The New Testament confirmed the gentiles have been grafted into the covenants of promise
 
Subject Heading:- Are we under any covenants?

'For we are His workmanship,
created in Christ Jesus unto good works,
which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Wherefore remember,
.. that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh,
.... who are called Uncircumcision
...... by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
........ That at that time ye were without Christ,
.......... being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel,
............ and strangers from the covenants of promise,
.............. having no hope, and without God in the world:
But now in Christ Jesus
.. ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh
.... by the blood of Christ.
...... For He is our peace,
........ Who hath made both One,
.......... and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
............ Having abolished in His flesh the enmity,
.............. even the law of commandments contained in ordinances;
................ for to make in Himself of twain one new man, so making peace;'
(Eph 2:10-15)

Praise God!
 
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Subject Heading:- Are we under any covenants?

'For we are His workmanship,
created in Christ Jesus unto good works,
which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Wherefore remember,
.. that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh,
.... who are called Uncircumcision
...... by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
........ That at that time ye were without Christ,
.......... being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel,
............ and strangers from the covenants of promise,
.............. having no hope, and without God in the world:
But now in Christ Jesus
.. ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh
.... by the blood of Christ.
...... For He is our peace,
........ Who hath made both One,
.......... and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
............ Having abolished in His flesh the enmity,
.............. even the law of commandments contained in ordinances;
................ for to make in Himself of twain one new man, so making peace;'
(Eph 2:10-15)

Praise God!
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Yes, we (Gentiles) were strangers from the covenants, BUT NOW BECAUSE OF THE BLOOD OF CHRIST, we have been grafted in to the Israel of God and share in the New Covenant. All thanks to Jesus our Lord!
 
TomL said:
But no one here but yourself deny the New Testament scriptures.

Your's is an easily identified heresy.

It is stated that sons of Abraham can be made from rocks, but you deny they can be made from gentiles
.
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I'm just going by what Scripture says and it says all three Hebrew covenants are between God, Abraham, and his seed (children of Israel.)

Now refute that by quoting each individual covenant in the Hebrew Scriptures (Genesis to Malachi) that includes non-Hebrew Gentiles.

(I've been asking for several months, and NO ONE can prove non-Hebrew Gentiles are in any of the three Hebrew covenants.

You and others ADD to God's Word and prove yourselves liars and no liar has the kingdom of God within them.

6 Add thou not unto his words,
Lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Proverbs 30:6.

14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Rev. 22:14–15.

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Rev. 22:18–19.

If you continue your heresy God will deal with you at the appropriate time. Obviously, there is no fear of God in your heart for you challenge Him to keep His Word in Revelation 22:18. That is very dangerous. You have been warned.
 
TomL said:
Sorry but you do

The New Testament confirmed the gentiles have been grafted into the covenants of promise
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jeremiah1five said:
I don't dent the New Covenant writings including
The New Testament consists of 27 books, divided into five categories:

I interpret these Hebrew Scriptures under the anointing and with a Jewish mindset considering that Hebrew writings are best understood with a Jewish mindset. You interpret these writings as a Gentile with a Gentil mindset, interpreting the Hebrew writings as a Gentile which leads you into error and misunderstanding.
Pray the Lord open your mind to His truth and the not the lies of Gentiles who have stolen what belongs to Israel from the days of Israel's destruction by the Romans and the destruction of the Jewish Temple. Before this destruction there were NO non-Hebrew Gentiles claiming and clamoring, they were in the Hebrew covenants. This only occurred right after Israel was destroyed and their commonwealth was destroyed by non-Hebrew Gentiles.
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We Gentile believers have the same Holy Spirit that guided the writings of the New Testament, as well as the Old, and we have trusted Him and the words of Jesus in John 8:31-32 "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free." We have come to know the truth that through Jesus and His blood, "we both (Jew and Gentile) have our access in one Spirit to the Father. So then you (Gentiles) are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God's household." Ephesians 2:18-19

When I came to Jesus, at the age of 21, I knew NOTHING about Old and New covenants. I just wanted to get right with God. The last thing I wanted to do was to steal anything from Israel. But now I know the truth. God, in His mercy and grace, put me and my fellow believers, Jew or Gentile, into the Israel of God, the church - the body of Christ - and allowed us to join in and be a part of the rich blessings of the New Covenant. Thank you Jesus!
 
dwight92070 said:
We Gentile believers have the same Holy Spirit that guided the writings of the New Testament, as well as the Old, and we have trusted Him and the words of Jesus in John 8:31-32 "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free." We have come to know the truth that through Jesus and His blood, "we both (Jew and Gentile) have our access in one Spirit to the Father. So then you (Gentiles) are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God's household." Ephesians 2:18-19

When I came to Jesus, at the age of 21, I knew NOTHING about Old and New covenants. I just wanted to get right with God. The last thing I wanted to do was to steal anything from Israel. But now I know the truth. God, in His mercy and grace, put me and my fellow believers, Jew or Gentile, into the Israel of God, the church - the body of Christ - and allowed us to join in and be a part of the rich blessings of the New Covenant. Thank you Jesus!
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He is trying to undo the work of Christ
 
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Subject Heading:- Are we under any covenants?


Hello @brightfame52,

I believe that the book of Revelation concerns the children of Israel. Yes.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
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Well you deceived. Rev 5:9

And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

These are people from all different ethnicities.
 
brightfame52 said:
Well you deceived. Rev 5:9

And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

These are people from all different ethnicities.
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Agreed
 
jeremiah1five said:
The New Testament was put together by Gentiles but they lacked authority of God to do so.
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I believe it is true that every New Testament author except Luke was Jewish. So you're just throwing out the Entire New Testament? Then there is no possible way for anyone to be saved. The Old Covenant and the temple are gone, so there's no salvation there. If we take away the New Testament, then nobody can be saved. Who is it that doesn't want anyone to be saved?
 
dwight92070 said:
We Gentile believers have the same Holy Spirit that guided the writings of the New Testament, as well as the Old, and we have trusted Him and the words of Jesus in John 8:31-32 "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."
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Who was Israel's Messiah speaking to?
dwight92070 said:
We have come to know the truth that through Jesus and His blood, "we both (Jew and Gentile) have our access in one Spirit to the Father. So then you (Gentiles) are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God's household." Ephesians 2:18-19
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18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
Eph 2:17–22.

Why would Israel's Messiah and King quote one of their own Hebrew prophets to Gentiles? Isn't there any Old Testament Gentile prophets Jesus can quote to a Gentile population? And why aren't there any Gentile apostles or prophets to write a letter to a Gentile church out there? Wasn't Israel's Deliverer and Kinsman-Redeemer prophesied to and for the twelve tribes of Jacob/Israel (Deut. 18:15, 18)? Why isn't there a Gentile covenant specifically for the Gentile people instead of Gentile piggybacking on another peoples' covenants and promises? If Gentiles were to be included in salvation why aren't Gentiles mentioned and included in any of the three Hebrew covenants when God made those covenants and why aren't there a Gentile bible recording God's interaction with Gentiles in their history as there is 4000 years of recorded history between God and the Hebrew people? Why would God do that to a people? To deal with the Hebrews, give them His Law to live by, send them prophets from among the Hebrews to speak to the Hebrews only to allow a Gentile people to finally take their place in the redemption and salvation of one people instead of the universalism that is taught in and among Gentiles today?

Why isn't there a Gentile bible put together by Jews instead of a Jewish bible put together by Gentiles? How come Israel's Messiah isn't a Gentile man who has a covenant with Gentiles instead of a Gentile Messiah who has covenant with Gentiles come to save Jews? Inquiring minds want to know.


dwight92070 said:
When I came to Jesus, at the age of 21, I knew NOTHING about Old and New covenants. I just wanted to get right with God. The last thing I wanted to do was to steal anything from Israel. But now I know the truth. God, in His mercy and grace, put me and my fellow believers, Jew or Gentile, into the Israel of God, the church - the body of Christ - and allowed us to join in and be a part of the rich blessings of the New Covenant. Thank you Jesus!
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Wow. Are you one mixed up Gentile to think God who has intimate relationship with the Hebrews for nearly six thousand years and the first words from God's mouth is to Gentiles in the form of letters from Jewish men and a one-book prophecy that has Israel as the main character along with the twelve tribes of Jacob and a Temple drawing on the prophecies of Hebrew men and women about things about to come to pass upon Gentiles?

No, if anything the truth is that there are no Gentiles nor is there any record of Gentiles in the years before Israel's Messiah arrived and during His life of Gentiles claiming and clamoring that they are in the Abraham covenant like they've done since the destruction of Israel and Israel's Second Jewish Temple? How does a people like non-Hebrew Gentiles pass over the Mosaic Covenant and claim they are in the Abraham covenant but not a word about their being in the succeeding Mosaic Covenant? How does that happen?

Why didn't God just make a covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles and record His dealings with this people instead of making covenant three times with the Hebrews and then add Gentiles after the fact into their covenant? Why isn't there a Gentile covenant and a Gentile bible whose pages are filled with prophecies by Gentiles for the Gentiles about things about to come to pass in order to protect them with warning instead of a Hebrew bible for a Hebrew people with Hebrew covenants and Hebrew prophecies, but they only apply to Gentiles as it is today?
 

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