Are we under any covenants?

[synergy]

Gentiles were NEVER part of the three Hebrew covenants.
It's your interpretation that is false.

Gentiles are included in the New Covenant by the Blood of Christ. Read Luke 22:20 and then Eph 2:11-13.

20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

Gentiles are definitely part of that New Covenant brought near by the blood of Christ, as declared by Paul in Eph 2:11-13

11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands—
12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

Why don't you believe Paul? I thought he was your favorite Apostle of all times.

 

[brightfame52]

They are ALL the seed of Abraham no matter if they are mixed heritage (Jew-Gentile offspring.)
As long as they are Abraham's seed and there's a Hebrew parent somewhere in the person's ancestry, then they are STILL Abraham's seed, and THEY ARE the rightful heirs of the Promises. But there are NO non-Hebrew Gentiles in covenant with God because non-Hebrew Gentiles are not Abraham's seed.

People can see how deceived people can be, and reject plain scripture. Folks see how this poster says these are all ethnic jews Rev 5:9-10

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

 

[TomL]

"OUT OF" meaning the Jews live all over the world and are not all settled in their own country because God scattered them into Gentile lands. So, God calls them "OUT OF" these places in Gentile lands OUT of every kindred, tongue, and people to place them finally into their own land called Israel. It's the same thing here:

6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
Jn 17:6.

You're just as dishonest as @TomL and @Arial. You find one seeming passage of Scripture by Saul bringing up Gentiles and interpret his words to mean Gentiles are now in the Abraham Covenant and saved and you reject 37 "books" of the Old Testament that records God's personal dealing with Hebrew people in order to maintain that one Scripture over four thousands of years of God's caring for Abraham's seed and all of a sudden you think you have a rightly divided passage of doctrinal Scripture? This shows you're not an honest person and not a true student of truth. You pick one passage over 37 "books" of the Old Testament record of God having covenant three times with the Hebrew people and now you think you're in the possession of truth? What a joke. Do you really want to know what God thinks of the Gentile nations?

17 All nations before him are as nothing;
And they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity.
Isaiah 40:17.

You call God a liar. You're a false witness.

You testify against yourself

 

[TomL]

You're not an honest person. Nor are you honest with Scripture.
For four thousand years God has had covenant with Abraham and his seed, protecting them, teaching them, prospering them, and all of a sudden you thing that while the Law of Moses is in force that Jesus who as Lamb of God, died and now Gentiles are miraculously in the Abraham Covenant when it is said Jesus died under the Law in accordance with the Law which means the animal sacrifices were offered yearly for the sins of the Hebrew people, the children of Israel, and Jesus died fulfilling the Law, then this means Jesus died to atone for the sins of the children of Israel ONLY as it was under the Law.
If the 37 "books" of the Old Testament record God's personal history with the Hebrew people and then someone comes along and writes that God has now included Gentiles in the Abraham Covenant when there were NO GENTILES mentioned or named when the covenant was being made between God and Abraham, to choose one Scripture over 37 "books" of the Old Testament over 37 "books" of Hebrew history because it agrees with your theology is simply dishonest. A true student of the bible would continue to search the truth of the matter and come up with the correct conclusion rather than easily choose one Scripture over another because it agrees with their beliefs is most dishonest and anyone that does such a thing is a threat to those who ask, seek, and knock upon any closed door the Lord God has erected to find the answer from Him.

But that's what Gentiles do. For four thousand years God never saved a Gentile and had more respect for the people He's made Promise with than Gentiles and for one seeming passage of Scripture that appears to throw light on the question in favor of Gentile you throw away all the Old Testament record of God's dealing with Hebrews for that one passage?
Very dishonest.
Go back to school. Or at least, stop coming on my threads with your false and heretical beliefs.


And one more thing. Tell Arial she's a LIAR and a fake over at CCAM. I said Jesus called Gentile's "dogs" and "swine" and she banned me for that. Tell her I said the same thing as Jesus and give her this:


24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it to dogs.
27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.
Mt 15:23–27.

You cannot address New testament scripture by calling me names

Ephesians 2:11–22 (NASB 2020) — 11 Therefore remember that previously you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision” by the so-called “Circumcision” which is performed in the flesh by human hands—12 remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the people of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who previously were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, 15 by abolishing in His flesh the hostility, which is the Law composed of commandments expressed in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two one new person, in this way establishing peace; 16 and that He might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the hostility. 17 AND HE CAME AND PREACHED PEACE TO YOU WHO WERE FAR AWAY, AND PEACE TO THOSE WHO WERE NEAR; 18 for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.

Hello

The gentiles were previously strangers to the covenants of promise

but in Christ they are no longer strangers to the covenants of promise

Stop denying scripture and believe the truth

 

[dwight92070]

Actually, there is a Covenant that the Bible says that we all come under. It is the Ultimate Covenant, that clearly supercedes all other covenants. Read Luke 22:20.

20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

Gentiles are definitely part of that New Covenant brought near by the blood of Christ, as declared by Paul in Eph 2:11-13

11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands—
12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

I agree. It is mistaken to say that we, both Jew and Gentile believers, are not part of any covenant. We are indeed under the New Covenant. Maybe you forgot what the 2nd division of the Bible is called: the NEW TESTAMENT or the NEW COVENANT. And what is the New Covenant all about? The life and teachings of Jesus.

As Synergy quoted Jesus above: "This cup is the new covenant in My blood."
Jesus directed believers (as did Paul later), both Jew and Gentile, to take "communion" to remember and proclaim His death, as that which brought us forgiveness of sins. It's totally ignorant to think that we regularly drink the cup, which He said is the new covenant in His blood, without actually being under the new covenant.

The new covenant was prophesied about in Jeremiah 31:31, but it didn't actually begin until Jesus appeared on the scene, and it still continues today, and will continue until the 2nd coming. Amen to Synergy in quoting Eph. 2:11-13. Gentiles have been grafted into the true Israel and yes, therefore we have been made fellow partakers with Jewish believers of the new covenant.



Jesus not only preached the gospel, He WAS the gospel. The same is true of the new covenant. He not only preached the new covenant - (new wine must be put into new wineskins - an unshrunk patch must be used on a new garment) - but He WAS the new covenant.

Isaiah 42:6 "I will appoint You as a covenant to the people, as a light to the nations." The word "light" there is speaking of the Gentiles. So Jesus was and is the new covenant to both Jewish and Gentile believers.
Isaiah 49:8 " ... and I will keep You and give You for a covenant of the people."

At times, Jesus also commanded certain people to keep the old covenant laws. So it appears that His life was an overlapping of both old and new covenants - it was a time of transition from the old covenant to the new covenant. Sabbath keeping was no longer required. Jesus knew that the temple would not be needed after He made His sacrifice - even though the unbelieving Jews continued in the temple until it was destroyed in 70 A.D. All of the rituals and feasts would be gone.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

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It is my understanding that according to Matt 26:28, Mark 14:24, Luke 22:20, and
1Cor 11:25, Jesus' crucifixion ratified the new covenant.

It is also my understanding that by means of Jesus' crucifixion both Jew and Gentile
are unified together with Christ in the new covenant. (Eph 2:11-22)

FAQ: What's so great about the new covenant. What's it got that the old covenant
doesn't?

REPLY: The old covenant allows God to pardon the people's sins, but doesn't allow
Him to forget their sins (Ex 34:6-8) and in point of fact, the people are reminded of
their sins once a year on Yom Kippur; whereas the new covenant offers both
pardoning and forgetting. (Jer 31:34 & Heb 8:12)

For example; former US President Gerald Ford pardoned former US President
Richard Nixon; but although the pardon kept Mr. Nixon out of prison, it did nothing
to clear his name, viz: he's still in the history books for criminal conduct, and unless
he gets his conduct cleared from the books kept by Almighty God, he will have to
face justice via the great white throne event depicted by Rev 20:11-15 where the
lost will be terminated by a mode of death akin to a foundry worker falling into a
kettle of molten iron.
_

The NEW covenant offers SALVATION. Absent from the body = present with the Lord.

The OLD covenant only offered the promise of it, which was finally accomplished at Calvary, and captivity was led captive into their heavenly home.

 

[jeremiah1five]

People can see how deceived people can be, and reject plain scripture. Folks see how this poster says these are all ethnic jews Rev 5:9-10

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

No, deceived people CANNOT see deceived people.

The word is "OUT OF" meaning that God's people scattered throughout the world are NOT living in their Promised Land so they until then are living all over the world. That is what Revelations 5 is talking about. It is the same "OUT OF" in John 17.

6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: Jn 17:6.

God didn't give Jesus the world, He gave Him His chosen people OUT OF the world just as God did not give Jesus "ALL FLESH" but only power OVER all flesh.

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
Jn 17:1–2.

 

[jeremiah1five]

You cannot address New testament scripture by calling me names

Ephesians 2:11–22 (NASB 2020) — 11 Therefore remember that previously you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision” by the so-called “Circumcision” which is performed in the flesh by human hands—12 remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the people of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who previously were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, 15 by abolishing in His flesh the hostility, which is the Law composed of commandments expressed in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two one new person, in this way establishing peace; 16 and that He might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the hostility. 17 AND HE CAME AND PREACHED PEACE TO YOU WHO WERE FAR AWAY, AND PEACE TO THOSE WHO WERE NEAR; 18 for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.

Hello

The gentiles were previously strangers to the covenants of promise

but in Christ they are no longer strangers to the covenants of promise

Stop denying scripture and believe the truth

The Scripture does not contradict itself.
It is your interpretation of Scripture that is in error.

 

[brightfame52]

No, deceived people CANNOT see deceived people.

The word is "OUT OF" meaning that God's people scattered throughout the world are NOT living in their Promised Land so they until then are living all over the world. That is what Revelations 5 is talking about. It is the same "OUT OF" in John 17.

6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: Jn 17:6.

God didn't give Jesus the world, He gave Him His chosen people OUT OF the world just as God did not give Jesus "ALL FLESH" but only power OVER all flesh.

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
Jn 17:1–2.

People can see how deceived people can be, and reject plain scripture. Folks see how this poster says these are all ethnic jews Rev 5:9-10

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

 

[jeremiah1five]

People can see how deceived people can be, and reject plain scripture. Folks see how this poster says these are all ethnic jews Rev 5:9-10

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

The statement of "kings and priests" is found in the Hebrew Scripture and is said of Israel.
Gentiles need to stop stealing what God gave to His covenant people Israel even terms like the one above.

Only Israel has had kings and priests and even prophets in her history and culture.

32 Now therefore, our God, the great, the mighty, and the terrible God, who keepest covenant and mercy, let not all the trouble seem little before thee, that hath come upon us, on our kings, on our princes, and on our priests, and on our prophets, and on our fathers, and on all thy people, since the time of the kings of Assyria unto this day.
Nehemiah 9:32.

18 And there was no passover like to that kept in Israel from the days of Samuel the prophet; neither did all the kings of Israel keep such a passover as Josiah kept, and the priests, and the Levites, and all Judah and Israel that were present, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
19 In the eighteenth year of the reign of Josiah was this passover kept.
2 Chronicles 35:18–19.

The Scripture calls Israel "kings" and "priests" and these terms are all over the Scripture in many, many passages. But NEVER does God call any Gentile HIS king or priest. Therefore, following type and shadow and that the Revelation is prophecy given to Israel - which is echoed in Daniel, Matthew, etc., the passages in Revelation refer to Israel NOT GENTILES.

13 Then shalt thou say unto them, Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will fill all the inhabitants of this land, even the kings that sit upon David’s throne, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, with drunkenness. Jer. 13:13. (shades of Rev. 18.)

Your Constantinian Gentile biased mindset has blinded you from the truth of the Word of God. What God began in making covenant with Abraham He will bring to conclusion on the last day when Christ returns to fight alongside Israel AGAINST Gentiles and will destroy them. He will destroy them because He does not love them and is not obligated by any covenant with them because God never made covenant with Gentiles. When you begin to see as God sees then you may come to the knowledge of the truth - but not before.

 

[brightfame52]

The statement of "kings and priests" is found in the Hebrew Scripture and is said of Israel.
Gentiles need to stop stealing what God gave to His covenant people Israel even terms like the one above.

Only Israel has had kings and priests and even prophets in her history and culture.

32 Now therefore, our God, the great, the mighty, and the terrible God, who keepest covenant and mercy, let not all the trouble seem little before thee, that hath come upon us, on our kings, on our princes, and on our priests, and on our prophets, and on our fathers, and on all thy people, since the time of the kings of Assyria unto this day.
Nehemiah 9:32.

18 And there was no passover like to that kept in Israel from the days of Samuel the prophet; neither did all the kings of Israel keep such a passover as Josiah kept, and the priests, and the Levites, and all Judah and Israel that were present, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
19 In the eighteenth year of the reign of Josiah was this passover kept.
2 Chronicles 35:18–19.

The Scripture calls Israel "kings" and "priests" and these terms are all over the Scripture in many, many passages. But NEVER does God call any Gentile HIS king or priest. Therefore, following type and shadow and that the Revelation is prophecy given to Israel - which is echoed in Daniel, Matthew, etc., the passages in Revelation refer to Israel NOT GENTILES.

13 Then shalt thou say unto them, Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will fill all the inhabitants of this land, even the kings that sit upon David’s throne, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, with drunkenness. Jer. 13:13. (shades of Rev. 18.)

Your Constantinian Gentile biased mindset has blinded you from the truth of the Word of God. What God began in making covenant with Abraham He will bring to conclusion on the last day when Christ returns to fight alongside Israel AGAINST Gentiles and will destroy them. He will destroy them because He does not love them and is not obligated by any covenant with them because God never made covenant with Gentiles. When you begin to see as God sees then you may come to the knowledge of the truth - but not before.

People can see how deceived people can be, and reject plain scripture. Folks see how this poster says these are all ethnic jews Rev 5:9-10

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

 

[TomL]

The Scripture does not contradict itself.
It is your interpretation of Scripture that is in error.

The New Testament is scripture

And it shows the gentiles were brought into the covenants of promise

Ephesians 2:11–22 (NASB 2020) — 11 Therefore remember that previously you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision” by the so-called “Circumcision” which is performed in the flesh by human hands—12 remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the people of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who previously were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, 15 by abolishing in His flesh the hostility, which is the Law composed of commandments expressed in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two one new person, in this way establishing peace; 16 and that He might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the hostility. 17 AND HE CAME AND PREACHED PEACE TO YOU WHO WERE FAR AWAY, AND PEACE TO THOSE WHO WERE NEAR; 18 for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.

Hello

The gentiles were previously strangers to the covenants of promise

but in Christ they are no longer strangers to the covenants of promise

 

[jeremiah1five]

People can see how deceived people can be, and reject plain scripture. Folks see how this poster says these are all ethnic jews Rev 5:9-10

I've shown you passages where these identification terms are used of God for Israel. You haven't. Instead, you want to take a passage in a prophecy God gave for the nation of Israel and its people and use it as a Gentile to mean Gentiles. What? Have you forgotten type and shadow? If there's no shadow in the Old Testament for something, then there's no reality in the New Testament. Everything brought out in the New Testament by the writers of gospels or letters can be found mentioned as shadow in the Old Testament.
Everything Saul was able to write about in his letters was because he studied the Hebrew Scripture under the anointing and was able to bring out the doctrines to a fuller or fullest expression in his letters.

1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3 And this will we do, if God permit.
Heb 6:1–3.

Repentance from dead works, of faith, of baptisms, of the laying on of hands (which was done upon the sacrifice and the scapegoat), of the resurrection from the dead (teaching denied by the Sadducees), and of eternal judgment are all found in shadow form in the Old Testament which under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit of Promise promised to the children of Israel he was able to understand its spiritual application which was once only letter in expression and hidden by God. When Saul became born again (Acts 9), he disappeared for about 14-17 years (depending on when one dates Galatian letter) and as rabbi and Pharisee had access to copies of rabbinical teaching, the Talmud, the Scripture, and other Hebrew writings which he studied under the anointing and was able to bring out the realities of things found in the Law, Psalms, and the Prophets that we today under the anointing can verify as true or false today. We study the same way as Jesus did and as Saul did when we have accurate texts and references. Nothing has changed in this department. Yet, some believe Jesus Himself came down from heaven and physically and personally taught Saul everything he wrote about which is not true. The revelations Saul received from Scripture study were gained in the same process any student of the Scripture attains except in our New Covenant dispensation since Pentecost we have the Holy Spirit who guides us into all truth when we are submitted to Him and the Holy Writ.

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Who is the Lion from the Tribe of Judah and Root of David? Yeshua Mashiach. A Jew.
Who are the saints? The Hebrew people. The Old Testament says this over and again in its pages about the Hebrew people of God who are the people among all peoples of the earth that have covenant with the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Gentiles don't have covenant with God. So, ,John, receiving revelation from Yeshua Mashiach wrote down these things about to happen to the Hebrew people and their nation in the future. Revelation draws upon prophecies by Christ, Daniel, Jeremiah, and the other Hebrew prophets sent by God TO THE HEBREW PEOPLE.
If you want to believe the deceit of the Gentiles, you go ahead but some of us allow the Scripture to dictate what we believe rather than we telling the Scripture what to say.

 

[jeremiah1five]

The New Testament is scripture

And it shows the gentiles were brought into the covenants of promise

Ephesians 2:11–22 (NASB 2020) — 11 Therefore remember that previously you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision” by the so-called “Circumcision” which is performed in the flesh by human hands—12 remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the people of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who previously were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, 15 by abolishing in His flesh the hostility, which is the Law composed of commandments expressed in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two one new person, in this way establishing peace; 16 and that He might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the hostility. 17 AND HE CAME AND PREACHED PEACE TO YOU WHO WERE FAR AWAY, AND PEACE TO THOSE WHO WERE NEAR; 18 for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.

Hello

The gentiles were previously strangers to the covenants of promise

but in Christ they are no longer strangers to the covenants of promise

More heresy.
I get tired of repeating myself.
Keep your Gentile error.
And lies.

 

[TomL]

More heresy.
I get tired of repeating myself.
Keep your Gentile error.
And lies.

So you term the New Testament heresy

The New Testament is scripture

And it shows the gentiles were brought into the covenants of promise

Ephesians 2:11–22 (NASB 2020) — 11 Therefore remember that previously you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision” by the so-called “Circumcision” which is performed in the flesh by human hands—12 remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the people of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who previously were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, 15 by abolishing in His flesh the hostility, which is the Law composed of commandments expressed in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two one new person, in this way establishing peace; 16 and that He might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the hostility. 17 AND HE CAME AND PREACHED PEACE TO YOU WHO WERE FAR AWAY, AND PEACE TO THOSE WHO WERE NEAR; 18 for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.

Hello

The gentiles were previously strangers to the covenants of promise

but in Christ they are no longer strangers to the covenants of promise

Most here will term your comments the real heresy

 

[brightfame52]

I've shown you passages where these identification terms are used of God for Israel. You haven't. Instead, you want to take a passage in a prophecy God gave for the nation of Israel and its people and use it as a Gentile to mean Gentiles. What? Have you forgotten type and shadow? If there's no shadow in the Old Testament for something, then there's no reality in the New Testament. Everything brought out in the New Testament by the writers of gospels or letters can be found mentioned as shadow in the Old Testament.
Everything Saul was able to write about in his letters was because he studied the Hebrew Scripture under the anointing and was able to bring out the doctrines to a fuller or fullest expression in his letters.

1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3 And this will we do, if God permit.
Heb 6:1–3.

Repentance from dead works, of faith, of baptisms, of the laying on of hands (which was done upon the sacrifice and the scapegoat), of the resurrection from the dead (teaching denied by the Sadducees), and of eternal judgment are all found in shadow form in the Old Testament which under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit of Promise promised to the children of Israel he was able to understand its spiritual application which was once only letter in expression and hidden by God. When Saul became born again (Acts 9), he disappeared for about 14-17 years (depending on when one dates Galatian letter) and as rabbi and Pharisee had access to copies of rabbinical teaching, the Talmud, the Scripture, and other Hebrew writings which he studied under the anointing and was able to bring out the realities of things found in the Law, Psalms, and the Prophets that we today under the anointing can verify as true or false today. We study the same way as Jesus did and as Saul did when we have accurate texts and references. Nothing has changed in this department. Yet, some believe Jesus Himself came down from heaven and physically and personally taught Saul everything he wrote about which is not true. The revelations Saul received from Scripture study were gained in the same process any student of the Scripture attains except in our New Covenant dispensation since Pentecost we have the Holy Spirit who guides us into all truth when we are submitted to Him and the Holy Writ.

Who is the Lion from the Tribe of Judah and Root of David? Yeshua Mashiach. A Jew.
Who are the saints? The Hebrew people. The Old Testament says this over and again in its pages about the Hebrew people of God who are the people among all peoples of the earth that have covenant with the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Gentiles don't have covenant with God. So, ,John, receiving revelation from Yeshua Mashiach wrote down these things about to happen to the Hebrew people and their nation in the future. Revelation draws upon prophecies by Christ, Daniel, Jeremiah, and the other Hebrew prophets sent by God TO THE HEBREW PEOPLE.
If you want to believe the deceit of the Gentiles, you go ahead but some of us allow the Scripture to dictate what we believe rather than we telling the Scripture what to say.

People can see how deceived people can be, and reject plain scripture. Folks see how this poster says these are all ethnic jews Rev 5:9-10

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

 

[TomL]

People can see how deceived people can be, and reject plain scripture. Folks see how this poster says these are all ethnic jews Rev 5:9-10

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

His claim is a pure case of desire driving exegesis.

 

[jeremiah1five]

So you term the New Testament heresy

With several errors in the text, yes. Saul changes Isaiah's prophecy and quotes the change.
Saul contradicts himself on righteousness.
Yes, there are some things Saul says/wrote that are questionable. Or maybe the Gentile translators did the deed to support Gentile theology. The original texts were kept and handled by Jewish Christians, but when the destruction of the Jewish Temple occurred all of a sudden Gentiles began claiming they were in the Abraham Covenant but refuse to say they were in the linked Mosaic Covenant and so I have to ask, where are all these circumcised Gentiles? I also wonder where Gentiles were before Jesus and while He was here. They don't make any claims to the Abraham Covenant until forty years AFTER the Romans destroyed their country and scattered the Jews.
Do you have an answer for this incredible fact?

Most here will term your comments the real heresy

Most, if not all, read and study the Hebrew Scriptures with a Gentile mindset - completely ignorant of Hebrew History, culture, and religion. Gentiles have stolen what God gave to Abraham and his seed, stealing Hebrew terms like "Bride" Church" "saints", etc. Now they want to steal terms like kings and priests and apply them to Gentiles.

The Scripture from Genesis to Revelation are Hebrew writings through and through. They record God's dealing with the Hebrew people from Abram the Hebrew onward through the millenniums and have stolen Israel's inheritance for themselves. But I also know the Times of the Gentiles will end with the destruction of the Gentile nations and God places Israel at the head of the family of surviving nations and Christ - a Jewish Messiah and King - will rule the nations with a ROD OF IRON and lead and guide the Hebrew people with a Shepherds staff. When the two Jewish witnesses of Revelation 11 come on the scene they will clear up a great many things and rebuke Gentiles for what they've done against God and His people. It will not end well for Gentiles - NON-HEBREW Gentiles.

 

[jeremiah1five]

People can see how deceived people can be, and reject plain scripture. Folks see how this poster says these are all ethnic jews Rev 5:9-10

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Where in the Hebrew Scripture does God call Gentile's "kings" and "priests" in the same context you are using? If it's biblical it will be in the Hebrew Scripture.
Go ahead. Post it.

 

[TomL]

With several errors in the text, yes. Saul changes Isaiah's prophecy and quotes the change.
Saul contradicts himself on righteousness.
Yes, there are some things Saul says/wrote that are questionable. Or maybe the Gentile translators did the deed to support Gentile theology. The original texts were kept and handled by Jewish Christians, but when the destruction of the Jewish Temple occurred all of a sudden Gentiles began claiming they were in the Abraham Covenant but refuse to say they were in the linked Mosaic Covenant and so I have to ask, where are all these circumcised Gentiles? I also wonder where Gentiles were before Jesus and while He was here. They don't make any claims to the Abraham Covenant until forty years AFTER the Romans destroyed their country and scattered the Jews.
Do you have an answer for this incredible fact?

Most, if not all, read and study the Hebrew Scriptures with a Gentile mindset - completely ignorant of Hebrew History, culture, and religion. Gentiles have stolen what God gave to Abraham and his seed, stealing Hebrew terms like "Bride" Church" "saints", etc. Now they want to steal terms like kings and priests and apply them to Gentiles.

The Scripture from Genesis to Revelation are Hebrew writings through and through. They record God's dealing with the Hebrew people from Abram the Hebrew onward through the millenniums and have stolen Israel's inheritance for themselves. But I also know the Times of the Gentiles will end with the destruction of the Gentile nations and God places Israel at the head of the family of surviving nations and Christ - a Jewish Messiah and King - will rule the nations with a ROD OF IRON and lead and guide the Hebrew people with a Shepherds staff. When the two Jewish witnesses of Revelation 11 come on the scene they will clear up a great many things and rebuke Gentiles for what they've done against God and His people. It will not end well for Gentiles - NON-HEBREW Gentiles.

But no one here but yourself deny the New Testament scriptures.

Your's is an easily identified heresy.

It is stated that sons of Abraham can be made from rocks, but you deny they can be made from gentiles
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