101G
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100% correct, also, 1 John 2:2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."
a second witness.
101G.
The Blood of the Covenant
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a second witness.
101G.
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Hello @101G.
John's gospel holds such wonderful witness testimonies, doesn't it? Living testimonies concerning the person and work of the Lord Jesus Christ, God's only begotten Son. Written that man may hear and believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God, and believing have life through His Name.
Praise His Name!
In Christ Jesus
Chris
101G
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Agreed, 100%. true because John came as a "WITNESS", John 1:6 "There was a man sent from God, whose name was John." John 1:7 "The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe." spot on.
101G.
Amen
jeremiah1five
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Why would you ask such a dumb question?
Look at what "word" they kept.
6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
Jn 17:6–10.
Throughout the whole prayer of Jesus to His Father He makes distinction between "they/them" and the "world." Two opposing sets of people. Those that belong to God because He deemed them as such before God created heaven, earth, and man.
But by deeming them into the world/earth/planet/time they were no longer in the Mind of God and inserted into the world/earth/planet/time. By doing this when God blew His elect into the loins of Adam when He breathed into his nostrils God's elect people were sinful just as the first man was by virtue of being created from dirt.
Vs. 7: "whatsoever" sounds like the word "everything."
Vs. 8: referring to verse 6 "kept thy word" is answered by verse 8 "that I came out from thee."
The whole prayer of Jesus in chapter 17 Martin Luther called the "Holy of Holies" prayer and I agree. Jesus as High Priest is about to fulfill that part of the Law requiring a sacrifice as substitute for the lamb that was sacrificed in the Temple for the sins of the children of Israel. If Jesus fulfilled the Law and He is that substitute then His sacrifice is to atone for the sins of the children of Israel ONLY as was done under the Law.
Saul understood this:
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Gal 4:4–5.
Anyone who teaches that Christ died for non-Hebrew Gentiles is adding to the Bible and profaning the sacred work of Christ. Christ came "to redeem them that were under the Law" and that is what He did and His cry from the cross "It is finished!" ends that work as He bowed His head UPWARD and died.
Fifty days later on the Jewish Feast of Harvest the Holy Spirit of Promise (promised to Israel) comes down from heaven and APPLIES the salvation bought by the Son to the eleven elect of God identified as the eleven disciples who were in the upper room praying. Soon after as Peter addressed the crowd of Jews in the street the Holy Spirit was POURED OUT as prophesied by Joel upon three thousand Jews and they were born again and saved. Thus, the beginning of the New Covenant era is upon Israel (Jer. 31:31-34.)
God the Father deemed the elect and chosen people of God...
6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. Deut. 7:6.
....and they were deemed (created) as sinful because only God is Holy and at the appointed time (Gal. 4:4-5) God sent His Son to RE-deem them from their sinfulness. All Israel is and shall be saved (meaning the seed of Jacob who was the seed of Isaac who was the seed of Abraham. Christ redeemed ONLY those that were under the Law and ONLY them.
jeremiah1five
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Christ mediated as the sacrifice to atone for the sins of the children of Israel under the Law.
Sheep in the Lord's sheepfold. NOT Goats. That should be a clue.
Those that believe are Jews such as three thousand that believed in Acts 2. They were ALL Jewish.
In the OT to whom did God send the Manna? To the children of Israel. Another clue.
The animal sacrifice was to atone for the sins of the children of Israel under the Law. Christ fulfilled that role and died for the sins of the children of Israel. Another clue.
Context. The whole world of Hebrews who are seed of Abraham. Right before Christ as High Priest was to go to the cross, He says, "I pray for them, I pray NOT for the world." Under the Law the high priest prayed for the children of Israel as the animal was sacrificed. Jesus fulfilled the Law meaning everything the sacrifice represented and TO WHOM so did Christ fulfill that same role under the Law. Another clue.
Again, the animal sacrifice was to atone for the sins of the children of Israel who were under the Law. Christ did the same thing as the Lamb OF GOD to atone for the sins of the children of Israel.
You know, you post all these passages but you don't understand any of them. How can you take something done under the Law and apply it to a people NOT under the Law. THIS breaks Scripture.
Yeah, that's all. I'm already convinced you know nothing of the Law, the atonement, the Manna, the reconciliation, the animal sacrifice, the substitute,m NOTHING.
So, I'm not going to waste any more of my time with you. You don't know anything of God and Christ's sacrifice. You are too deeply infected with a Gentile version and interpretation of God's Word. I doubt you are saved.
A true believer would know 10% truth and 90% error until he is taught the Word of God. You are 100% ignorant of Scripture not even attaining 10% truth. It's all just Constantinian Gentile false theology.
jeremiah1five
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Yeah, and now God sees me just as righteous as Christ. How 'bout that?
jeremiah1five
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The world of Hebrews/Jews.
The high priest would sacrifice the animal and pray for the children of Israel and the animal was sacrificed to atone for the sins of the children of Israel. This was done yearly (Yom Kippur.)
Christ, as High Priest is about to offer Himself as sacrifice and He prays for the people of God meaning the children of Israel under the Law just as the human high priest would do. But what does the High Priest say?
9 I pray for them (the children of Israel): I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. Jn 17:8–9.
This means the world of non- Hebrew GENTILES (the world) are without a sanctifying prayer. If Christ was to atone for Gentiles the time to pray for them is right here and now in John 17 but Jesus doesn't do that. They are without a prayer. The atonement of Christ is for the children of Israel just as the animal sacrifice was for the children of Israel.
Get a clue!
101G
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have you repented? and do you believe JESUS is "LORD" who made all things by himself... alone? if yes then you're righteous, else you're still filthy and still in sin? so .... (smile), 101G now ask are you righteous knowing what 101G just expressed... your choice, let your word be your witness.
101G.,
jeremiah1five
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I've already wrote my word.
That does not address the scriptures
Christ died list
1 Timothy 2:4–6
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Isaiah 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned every one to his own way; And the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
1 Timothy 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
John 6:51
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
2 Corinthians 5:14–15
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Whole world, mankind, all men, everyone are not synonyms for Israelites
Men are termed goats only at the judgment
jeremiah1five
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I don't have to. Any interpretation that breaks Scripture is to be rejected. Your interpretation of the New Covenant passages are in error and violate Scripture.
The Scripture states God made covenant with Abram the Hebrew and with his seed. Anyone NOT of Abtraham's seed is not in his covenant that bears his name. The same for the Mosaic Covenant. It is between God and the children of Abraham.
The same also for the New Covenant. It is between God and the House of Israel and the House of Judah.
There are NO NON-HEBREW GENTILES in ANY of the three Hebrew Covenants.
jeremiah1five
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New Testament
All you can do is ignore it
Galatians 3:14 (UASV) — 14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Galatians 3:26–29 (UASV) — 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are of Christ, then you are of Abraham’s seed, heirs according to promise.
Case closed
101G
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GINOLJC, to all.
101G know, ..... and YOUR word fall way, way, way, short of the Glory of God.....(smile), ......
YIKES!!101G.
jeremiah1five
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GINOLJC, to all.
101G know, ..... and YOUR word fall way, way, way, short of the Glory of God.....(smile), ......
101G.
101G
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Jesus is lord
He was the agent of God in the creation
Hebrews 1:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Ephesians 3:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
