Are we under any covenants?

[brightfame52]

So you’re saying that there was a period of time that God had zero people in his church, correct?

Uh, show me that statement where I said that please ?

 

[Truther]

Uh, show me that statement where I said that please ?

If you are saying that the church started in the garden, and they both backslid and Abel was dead, there was no church left. It would be the church of zero. Just stand to reason.

 

[brightfame52]

If you are saying that the church started in the garden, and they both backslid and Abel was dead, there was no church left. It would be the church of zero. Just stand to reason.

Uh, show me that statement where I said that please ?

 

[Truther]

Uh, show me that statement where I said that please ?

You insinuated. You said that the church started in the garden. I gave you your church in the garden. Had nobody in it.

 

[brightfame52]

You insinuated. You said that the church started in the garden. I gave you your church in the garden. Had nobody in it.

Yeah Adam and Eve represented the church, but from that point on the earth was populated, it was never ever without nobody on it.

 

[civic]

It seems we are surrounded by it these days

unfortunately thats the case its anti semitism.

 

[Truther]

Yeah Adam and Eve represented the church, but from that point on the earth was populated, it was never ever without nobody on it.

I thought "church" meant "called out ones".

 

[Truther]

unfortunately thats the case its anti semitism.

You know. You are right.

I really never thought of it that way.

 

[brightfame52]

I thought "church" meant "called out ones".

It does

 

[jeremiah1five]

I’m not sure what you’re asking me to do?

Get biblical.

 

[Truther]

Yeah Adam and Eve represented the church, but from that point on the earth was populated, it was never ever without nobody on it.

The first mention of a church I’ve heard of in the Old Testament was Israel when they were called out of Egypt. They were under the ministry of Aaron(Aaronic priesthood), but the Lords church is under the order of Melchizedek.

That’s why the Lord said upon this rock I will future tense build my church. It’s a different order.

 

[brightfame52]

The first mention of a church I’ve heard of in the Old Testament was Israel when they were called out of Egypt. They were under the ministry of Aaron(Aaronic priesthood), but the Lords church is under the order of Melchizedek.

That’s why the Lord said upon this rock I will future tense build my church. It’s a different order.

Thats you, you not me. I see the church in Genesis with Adam and Eve, Abel. Abel was a righteous man, a prophet Matt 23 34-35

34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Abel had the Faith of Gods elect, the Church Heb 114

By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

He was righteous by Christs obedience Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

 

[Truther]

Thats you, you not me. I see the church in Genesis with Adam and Eve, Abel. Abel was a righteous man, a prophet Matt 23 34-35

34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Abel had the Faith of Gods elect, the Church Heb 114

By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

He was righteous by Christs obedience Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

I think this is a moot argument.

Thats you, you not me. I see the church in Genesis with Adam and Eve, Abel. Abel was a righteous man, a prophet Matt 23 34-35

34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Abel had the Faith of Gods elect, the Church Heb 114

By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

He was righteous by Christs obedience Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Question.

This?
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I WiLL BUILD my church;..,

Or this?
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I WILL ADD TO my EXISTING church;…

 

[Theophilus]

I think this is a moot argument.

Question.

This?
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I WiLL BUILD my church;..,

Or this?
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I WILL ADD TO my EXISTING church;…

The church is not finished it's still being added to. But as for this verse Jesus is talking about a confession of faith not a building.

The Rock: Peter or the Faith?

The word “rock” (petra in Greek) is a feminine noun, which is often translated as “rock” or “foundation.” Some interpreters believe that Jesus is referring to Peter, who is also known as “Petros” (a masculine noun), as the rock upon which He will build His church. However, the Greek word “petra” is feminine, which suggests that Jesus may be referring to the confession of faith made by Peter, rather than Peter himself.

The Confession of Faith

The confession of faith made by Peter is found in Matthew 16:16, where he says, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” This confession is significant because it is a declaration of faith in Jesus as the Messiah and the Son of God. Jesus responds to this confession by saying, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father in heaven” (Matthew 16:17).

The Foundation of the Church

In this context, Jesus is saying that He will build His church upon the foundation of this confession of faith. This means that the church is built upon the recognition of Jesus as the Messiah and the Son of God. This foundation is not based on human authority or tradition, but on the revelation of God’s truth.

The Church’s Strength

The phrase “the gates of hell shall not prevail against it” suggests that the church built upon this foundation will be invincible and will not be overcome by the forces of evil. This is a promise of protection and strength for the church, which is essential for its survival and growth.

Conclusion

In summary, the phrase “Upon this rock I will build my church” refers to the confession of faith made by Peter, which is a declaration of Jesus as the Messiah and the Son of God. The church is built upon this foundation, and its strength lies in its recognition of Jesus as the foundation and head of the church.

The important thing to realize is Jesus is the chief Cornerstone.

The Chief Cornerstone is a metaphorical concept that originated from ancient architectural practices. In masonry, a cornerstone is the first stone set in the foundation of a building, serving as the reference point for the entire structure. The Chief Cornerstone, in a spiritual context, refers to Jesus Christ as the foundation of the Christian faith.

Scriptural References

The concept of the Chief Cornerstone is rooted in the Bible, specifically in the New Testament. In Ephesians 2:20, the apostle Paul writes, “Built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief cornerstone.” This verse emphasizes Jesus’ role as the foundation of the Church and the basis of salvation.

In 1 Peter 2:6-7, Peter quotes Psalm 118:22, saying, “The stone which the builders rejected has become the chief cornerstone.” This passage highlights Jesus’ rejection by the builders (the Jewish leaders) and His subsequent elevation to the position of Chief Cornerstone.

Symbolism and Significance

The Chief Cornerstone symbolizes several important aspects of Jesus’ role in Christianity:

1. Foundation: Jesus is the foundation of the Christian faith, providing a solid base for believers to build their lives upon.
2. Stability: As the Chief Cornerstone, Jesus ensures the stability of the Church and the salvation of believers.
3. Rejection and Acceptance: The story of the rejected stone (Psalm 118:22) illustrates Jesus’ rejection by humanity and His subsequent acceptance by God.
4. Redemption: The Chief Cornerstone represents Jesus’ role as the redeemer, who brings salvation to humanity through His sacrifice.

Conclusion

The Chief Cornerstone is a powerful metaphor that underscores Jesus’ significance in the Christian faith. As the foundation, stability, and redeemer, Jesus Christ is the cornerstone of our salvation and the basis of our faith.

 

[Truther]

The church is not finished it's still being added to. But as for this verse Jesus is talking about a confession of faith not a building.

The Rock: Peter or the Faith?

The word “rock” (petra in Greek) is a feminine noun, which is often translated as “rock” or “foundation.” Some interpreters believe that Jesus is referring to Peter, who is also known as “Petros” (a masculine noun), as the rock upon which He will build His church. However, the Greek word “petra” is feminine, which suggests that Jesus may be referring to the confession of faith made by Peter, rather than Peter himself.

The Confession of Faith

The confession of faith made by Peter is found in Matthew 16:16, where he says, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” This confession is significant because it is a declaration of faith in Jesus as the Messiah and the Son of God. Jesus responds to this confession by saying, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father in heaven” (Matthew 16:17).

The Foundation of the Church

In this context, Jesus is saying that He will build His church upon the foundation of this confession of faith. This means that the church is built upon the recognition of Jesus as the Messiah and the Son of God. This foundation is not based on human authority or tradition, but on the revelation of God’s truth.

The Church’s Strength

The phrase “the gates of hell shall not prevail against it” suggests that the church built upon this foundation will be invincible and will not be overcome by the forces of evil. This is a promise of protection and strength for the church, which is essential for its survival and growth.

Conclusion

In summary, the phrase “Upon this rock I will build my church” refers to the confession of faith made by Peter, which is a declaration of Jesus as the Messiah and the Son of God. The church is built upon this foundation, and its strength lies in its recognition of Jesus as the foundation and head of the church.

The important thing to realize is Jesus is the chief Cornerstone.

The Chief Cornerstone is a metaphorical concept that originated from ancient architectural practices. In masonry, a cornerstone is the first stone set in the foundation of a building, serving as the reference point for the entire structure. The Chief Cornerstone, in a spiritual context, refers to Jesus Christ as the foundation of the Christian faith.

Scriptural References

The concept of the Chief Cornerstone is rooted in the Bible, specifically in the New Testament. In Ephesians 2:20, the apostle Paul writes, “Built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief cornerstone.” This verse emphasizes Jesus’ role as the foundation of the Church and the basis of salvation.

In 1 Peter 2:6-7, Peter quotes Psalm 118:22, saying, “The stone which the builders rejected has become the chief cornerstone.” This passage highlights Jesus’ rejection by the builders (the Jewish leaders) and His subsequent elevation to the position of Chief Cornerstone.

Symbolism and Significance

The Chief Cornerstone symbolizes several important aspects of Jesus’ role in Christianity:

1. Foundation: Jesus is the foundation of the Christian faith, providing a solid base for believers to build their lives upon.
2. Stability: As the Chief Cornerstone, Jesus ensures the stability of the Church and the salvation of believers.
3. Rejection and Acceptance: The story of the rejected stone (Psalm 118:22) illustrates Jesus’ rejection by humanity and His subsequent acceptance by God.
4. Redemption: The Chief Cornerstone represents Jesus’ role as the redeemer, who brings salvation to humanity through His sacrifice.

Conclusion

The Chief Cornerstone is a powerful metaphor that underscores Jesus’ significance in the Christian faith. As the foundation, stability, and redeemer, Jesus Christ is the cornerstone of our salvation and the basis of our faith.

Of course he’s talking about a profession of Peter‘s faith that Jesus is the son of God and the Messiah,and not a building. What I’m saying is it is future tense. It started in Acts chapter 2(Jerusalem), Right?

 

[brightfame52]

I think this is a moot argument.

Question.

This?
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I WiLL BUILD my church;..,

Or this?
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I WILL ADD TO my EXISTING church;…

Im through explaining things to you

 

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Subject Heading:- Are we under any covenants?

Precious friends, for your prayerful and Careful consideration:

"When the Bible speaks of covenants in the specific sense, it is speaking of the covenants given to God’s chosen nation Israel. No one today in the dispensation of Grace is a partaker of the covenants which are made between Israel and God.

Hebrews 8:7 speaks of the first covenant and the second covenant given to Israel. The first covenant describes the Law as given to Israel at Horeb:

“The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.” – Deuteronomy 5:2

The second covenant, or ‘better covenant’, is the ‘new covenant’ also given to Israel (Heb 8:13, 12:24).

“For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord;…” – Hebrews 8:10

And again in Jeremiah:

“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:” – Jeremiah 31:31

Knowing that the covenants were given to Israel and Judah, Paul stated concerning his brethren according to the flesh, Israel,

“…to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;…” Romans 9:4

Gentiles and the Body of Christ

The covenants were between God and Israel regarding their future redemption as spoken of by the prophets since the world began. However, Gentiles in time past as well as those in the body
of Christ today are not a part of the covenants.

Paul says,

“That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:” – Ephesians 2:12

In order for a Gentile in time past to get the blessings of God they had to follow the provisions of the covenant. (See “Did Gentiles in the Old Testament get saved?” for more.) However, they were estranged from the covenants given to Israel.

During the dispensation of Grace, believers receive the benefits of the redemptive work of Christ
on the cross outside of any covenant relationship. It was purely by God’s grace that we receive
eternal life and the blessings associated with salvation. Otherwise grace would not be grace
(Romans 11:6).

Today there is neither Jew nor Gentile. There is no special status before God for any nation today.

“For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that He might have mercy upon all.” – Romans 11:32

Instead of a covenant providing the necessary terms of redemption, believers today are
of the same body and partakers of the promise in Christ by the gospel of the grace of God
(Eph 3:6, Titus 1:2-3). We receive the mercy and the grace of God apart from our adherence
to any covenant given in time past, we receive it by faith (Romans 5:1, 8-10)."

(J Johnson, a fellow Grace ambassador)

Amen.

Praise God!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Our risen and glorified
Saviour, Lord and Head,
Chris