Are we Predestined?

[Kampioen]

Well, please make up my mind!
Does God know where you will be on Friday at 3PM (making it settled) or is the future open and unsettled (so God knows that He does not know where your free will will choose to go on Friday at 3 PM)?

It is both, because they mean different things.

God’s *knowledge* is *settled* ie God knows where you will be Friday at 3pm.

But the future is God's knowledge of what *will* happen, not something already existing out there to see and thus know, not even for God, and is thus *unsettled*. ....

Thus there is no contradiction.

And thus the *future* is non-existent ie open and *unsettled*. What God knows *will happen* what is *settled,* infallibly. God cannot err.

God created only the progressive present, not the future.

 

[atpollard]

But the future is God's knowledge of what *will* happen, not something already existing out there to see and thus know, not even for God, and is thus *unsettled*. ....

Jesus’ death suggests otherwise.
God’s will being done according to His plan.
(Not foreknown chance.)

 

[Kampioen]

Jesus’ death suggests otherwise.
God’s will being done according to His plan.
(Not foreknown chance.)

God foreknows His own libertarian decisions too, along with ours, and dice rolls.

God corrals libertarian free willers towards His goal according to His plan. God doesn't actuate our brain where we merely passively observe what is happening to us.

But the future doesn't already exist for God to learn what to foreknow. God didn't create/fill the future yet, neither predeterminately fill the future with now already preexisting people. The future is open and unsettled and uninhabited and non-existent. God created only the progressive present. The future is only God's inerrant conception, until it happens.

 

[TibiasDad]

So He is bound by what He forsees if He cannot change what He foresees.

No, he is bound by his own choice to give freedom of choice to man. He foresees what man will freely choose and cannot change that. Otherwise he would be, at least an ‘Indian giver’, or at worst, a liar!

And how could it never enter His mind if He is omniscient?

He couldn’t, which is why I said that it was a euphemism for ‘I would never intend anything like that’, or perhaps, ‘I would never think of approving something like
that .’

Its not about intent for it to happen. It never entered His mind to command such a thing to occur. Which the text specifically says.

I think it is all about his intent!

“5They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal—something I did not command or mention, nor did it enter my mind.

God said “ I did not command (it) or mention (it), nor did it enter my mind” to have altars to Baal built. Notice the downward progression of his thought process: Command, mention, or think about. If there is no thought about it, there is no intent for it!

Doug