Are we Predestined?

[Jim]

There is a difference?

Is a choice actually a choice when its known for certain prior to being made? Can you choose other than how God foreknows your going to choose?

Yes, of course. What is foreknown is certain, but not because it is foreknown. It becomes certain when the choice is made. You must understand that foreknowledge is not causative ever. Foreknowledge does not cause anything.

 

[Kampioen]

There is a difference?

Is a choice actually a choice when its known for certain prior to being made? Can you choose other than how God foreknows your going to choose?

Does a Calvinist God foreknow His own choice?

 

[brightfame52]

Foreknowledge has nothing to do with election/salvation per se;

Yes it does.

 

[TedT]

What are the rules of His nature? Explain how the determine what He can and cannot predetermine.

I contend that by letting us choose to accept HIS claims of deity and HIS gospel or to reject HIM as a liar and a false god by our free will HE did NOT determine our FATES but let us determine our own fate but when some of HIS sheep, those who chose to put their faith in HIM as GOD and Saviour, went into rebellion against HIM, HE determined LIVES for us to live with the reprobate, Matt 13:27-30, as the perfect method to bring us to redemption and holiness, heaven ready.

HE cannot determine a free will choice because then it is not free at all and HE foreknows only what HE has predetermined... HE can determine all choices a sinner makes because then HE is not impinging on their free will but on their enslaved wiil which is not free already and, for the sinful elect, is also in accord with their permission for HIM to do so when they put their faith in HIM as their Saviour.

 

[TibiasDad]

There is a difference?

Is a choice actually a choice when its known for certain prior to being made? Can you choose other than how God foreknows your going to choose?

Choice is a decision between two or more options made by a person. God knows what we will choose, he does not, as your argument claims, choose for us. The question is not one of certainty, it is who makes it certain.

Doug

 

[TibiasDad]

For what purpose?

Its not just they did not believe. They will NEVER believe. God has known this for an eternity. So what is He exactly doing for them again??

But they could; they don’t by their own volition, and that is their choice. God allows them to accept or reject his solution to the problem. The issue is not foreknowledge, it is who makes the choice.

Doug

 

[TibiasDad]

Yes it does.

No it doesn’t. The question is who makes the choice of believing or not believing.

Doug

 

[brightfame52]

No it doesn’t

Yes it does. I'm showing why.