Are we Predestined?

[Presby02]

You said no and then turn around and say yes, somethings are left ti chance.

 

[TedT]

This proves without a shadow of doubt that some have been predestinated to Salvation!

I agree!!

I disagree that this implies that HE did NOT predestine everyone to salvation without reason...ie, unconditional election. I believe HE had a conditional reason for both electing some and condemning others and that reason was their / our free will acceptance or rejection of HIS proclamation of HIS deity and the gospel of salvation, Col 1:23, which we all heard and responded to in our own way by faith, not proof.

Unconditional election implies unconditional reprobation (non-election) which blasphemes HIS nature as loving, righteous and just.

 

[TedT]

you missed this- so many who claim to be predestined look nothing like Jesus, act nothing like Jesus and love sin and are unforgiving, uncompassionate, unmerciful etc.....

to be conformed to the image of his Son,

Ahhh, if only it took claiming to be conformed to in fact create conformity, we'd all be saved...

 

[civic]

Its nice of you to allow Him to plan and predetermine the second coming. Where do we find the rules for what He can and cannot plan and predetermine?

no rules I just believe the things written that are predetermined are so such as what is prophecied to occur such as the flood, David becoming King, destruction of the temple, His1st Coming, His death, His resurrection, His 2nd Coming, things concerning the nation of Israel, the future millennial kingdom etc.....

 

[TibiasDad]

Then He is bound to it. If He forsees unbelievers dying and suffering for an eternity there is nothing He can do.

He sent Christ; that’s what he did. If we don’t believe it’s on us, not God!

Doug