I have yet to meet a Calvinist who understood what God's foreknowledge actually meant and was.
Are we Predestined?
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Predestinated to Salvation !2
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Now those He foreknew [His Elect] them He predestinated to be conformed to the image of His Son, hence they were predestinated to the Adoption of Sons Eph 1:4-5
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Now in being predestinated to the image of Christ, we must be conformed to Him in spiritual qualities and principles and the frame of our hearts! All of which means, we must be saved from the penalty and power of sin, and glorified.
All this has been predestinated from before the foundation, not to all mankind, but solely to Gods Chosen, Chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4-5.
So that's how we know that some men have been Chosen and Predestinated to Salvation!
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Now those He foreknew [His Elect] them He predestinated to be conformed to the image of His Son, hence they were predestinated to the Adoption of Sons Eph 1:4-5
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Now in being predestinated to the image of Christ, we must be conformed to Him in spiritual qualities and principles and the frame of our hearts! All of which means, we must be saved from the penalty and power of sin, and glorified.
All this has been predestinated from before the foundation, not to all mankind, but solely to Gods Chosen, Chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4-5.
So that's how we know that some men have been Chosen and Predestinated to Salvation!
FreeInChrist
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And if you read the Holy Book it is clear in the 66 books the names of those that were chosen before the foundation.
So that's how we know that some men have been Chosen and Predestinated to do the things the God chose them to do.
Even from a strong free-will perspective, the Bible explicitly teaches that God sovereignly chose and predestined specific individuals before creation (or before their birth) for particular roles in His plan ..... without violating the free choices of anyone else.
Here are the clearest verses that name individual people (not just a group) as pre-chosen for specific jobs:
| Person | Exact Bible statement | When the choice was made |
|---|---|---|
| Jeremiah | “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.” (Jer 1:5) | Before conception |
| Paul | “God, who had set me apart before I was born… called me by his grace” (Gal 1:15) “He is a chosen instrument of mine to carry my name…” (Acts 9:15) | Before birth |
| Jacob (vs Esau) | “Though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad… she was told, ‘The older will serve the younger.’ … Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.” (Rom 9:11–13) | Before birth / before creation (v.11) |
| Judas | Jesus: “I chose you, the twelve… yet one of you is a devil” (John 6:70) “…that the Scripture might be fulfilled… ‘the one who ate my bread has lifted his heel against me’” (John 13:18 + Ps 41:9) | Jesus sovereignly chose Judas knowing he would betray |
| The thief on the cross (indirect but clear) | Jesus personally promised him paradise that day (Luke 23:43) ..... his exact timing and place at the cross was ordained (Acts 4:27–28 – “whatever your hand and your plan had predestined to take place”) | Part of the predestined crucifixion plan |
| Cyrus (pagan king!) | “Thus says the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have grasped… I call you by name… though you do not know me” (Isa 44:28–45:4) | Named 150–200 years before he was born |
| The Messiah Himself | “Behold my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen, in whom my soul delights” (Isa 42:1) “a Lamb slain from the foundation of the world” (Rev 13:8 KJV/NKJV) | Before creation |
“God, in His perfect foreknowledge and sovereignty, singles out certain individuals (Jeremiah, Paul, Jacob, Cyrus, even Judas) before they are born to fulfil specific roles in His plan — while still holding every person fully responsible for their own choices.”
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