Anti-PSA—explain to me how the Blood of Jesus is connected to forgiving.

[civic]

John Piper’s gospel is based on “double imputation.” This is the idea that Christ died for the sin of man imputed to Him (Christ) who knew no sin, but ALSO came to live a perfect life to establish a righteousness that is imputed to believers over the course of their lives to complete salvation. According to this gospel, Christ kept the law perfectly during the course of His life to establish His righteousness which could then be imputed to believers.

Hence, “double imputation.” The fatal flaw of this gospel is very simple.

“For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it – ” ~ Romans 3:20-21

“For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.” ~ Romans 3:28

“Now it is evident that no one is justifiedbefore God by the law, for ‘The righteous shall live by faith.’” ~ Galatians 3:11

“You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.” ~ Galatians 5:4

When the Bible speaks of a righteousness from God “apart” from the law, that literally means, “APART.” It doesn’t matter who keeps it, righteousness (justification) and the law are mutually exclusive. Contention against this exact same error was a focal point of the apostle Paul’s ministry. In Galatians, chapter 3, he argues that the law cannot give life and is therefore not the source of righteousness because there is only “ONE seed.”

Why then the law? Paul also answers that question in Galatians, chapter 3. All sin is imputed to the law, and Christ came to end the law of condemnation (Romans 10:4).

But if righteousness is not based on perfect law-keeping, where does righteousness for the believer come from? Answer: the New Birth. This is the cardinal point of 1 John, chapter 3. The believer does not sin because “God’s seed is in them.” The old man has died, therefore the law can no longer judge him. There is no law to judge the new creature, thus, where there is no law there is no sin! This is why the believer is truly righteous as a state of being, NOT because the so-called double imputation of Christ is perpetually applied to the believer’s life in contrast to much written in the book of Hebrews.

Among many other problems with this gospel, it does not make justification a finished work in the believer via the new birth because the “believer” is still under the condemnation of the law and thus needing a continuing “atonement” by Christ. Instead of what the Bible states in several places, “Where there is no law, there is no sin,” all remain under the condemnation of the law because it has not been ended and is the basis for righteousness. This is what’s behind the often heard term, “final justification.”

Here is where the confusion arises: the new birth changes the relationship of the law to the believer. All people are either under law or under grace; saved or unsaved (Romans 6:14). But “under grace” doesn’t mean that we are not under any law, it’s merely a different relationship to the law brought about by the new birth.

This boils down to the Spirit’s two uses of the law; to convict the world of sin and the judgment to come (John 16:7-11), and to sanctify the believer (John 17:17). John Piper’s double imputation only recognizes the former and therefore denies a true biblical definition of the new birth. This is why he has said on many occasions that “Christians still need to be saved by the gospel.” John Piper’s gospel keeps so-called Christians under law.

The new birth changes the believer’s relationship to the law (Romans 8:2), this frees the new creature in Christ to aggressively love (according to the law) without fear of condemnation. Christian’s do not sin, per se, but fail to love God and others which can lead to chastisement and natural consequences, but they do NOT need continued salvation because they are under the condemnation of the law. In other words, a Christian’s failure to uphold the law of love (“If you love me, keep my commandments”) does not condemn them, and this is why they no longer need the “gospel of first importance” in the same way that unbelievers do.

John Piper’s gospel redefines the new birth, keeps people under law, and makes the love they are called to something substituted by Christ.

In conclusion, the many verses of Scripture cited by Piper et al to make a case for the believer’s “service of love” being substituted by Christ must be reevaluated in a truthful context. This reevaluation will enable the Christian to receive a full reward and makes sense of, “Well done faithful servant.”TANC Ministries

hope this helps !!!

 

[Johann]

Sorry not answered and if you understood Penal substitution you would know what the double imputation is

Double imputation is a theological concept within Protestant Christianity, particularly emphasized in Reformed theology. It refers to the mutual exchange of the believer's sins and Christ's righteousness. Here’s a detailed explanation along with supporting Scriptures:

### Concept of Double Imputation:

1. **Imputation of the Believer’s Sins to Christ:**
- Christ, who is sinless, takes upon Himself the sins of believers. This means that the sins of those who believe in Christ are imputed (or attributed) to Him, and He bears the punishment for those sins on the cross.
- **Scriptural Support:**
- **Isaiah 53:5-6**: "But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned—every one—to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all."
- **2 Corinthians 5:21**: "For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God."
- **1 Peter 2:24**: "He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed."

2. **Imputation of Christ’s Righteousness to the Believer:**
- In exchange, Christ's perfect righteousness is imputed to believers. This means that God counts believers as righteous, not because of their own works, but because of the righteousness of Christ credited to them.
- **Scriptural Support:**
- **Romans 4:5-6**: "And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works."
- **Romans 5:18-19**: "Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous."
- **Philippians 3:9**: "And be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith."

### Explanation:
- **The Exchange:** In double imputation, there is a double exchange. Our sins are credited to Jesus, who bears their penalty on the cross, and His righteousness is credited to us, allowing us to stand justified before God.
- **Legal Declaration:** It is a legal or forensic declaration by God, where He declares the sinner righteous based on the righteousness of Christ. This is central to the doctrine of justification by faith.
- **Grace:** This exchange is an act of grace, meaning it is an unmerited favor from God, not based on any human effort or worthiness.

### Importance in Christian Theology:
- **Assurance of Salvation:** Double imputation provides assurance of salvation to believers because their right standing before God is based on Christ's righteousness, not their own.
- **Foundation of Justification:** It underscores the doctrine of justification by faith alone, as believers are justified by faith in Christ and not by their own works.

### Conclusion:
Double imputation highlights the heart of the gospel message, emphasizing that salvation is a gift from God through Jesus Christ. Believers' sins are fully borne by Christ, and His perfect righteousness is fully credited to them, ensuring their acceptance before God.

If this is "double imputation" I am in full agreement.

 

[TomL]

Double imputation is a theological concept within Protestant Christianity, particularly emphasized in Reformed theology. It refers to the mutual exchange of the believer's sins and Christ's righteousness. Here’s a detailed explanation along with supporting Scriptures:

### Concept of Double Imputation:

1. **Imputation of the Believer’s Sins to Christ:**
- Christ, who is sinless, takes upon Himself the sins of believers. This means that the sins of those who believe in Christ are imputed (or attributed) to Him, and He bears the punishment for those sins on the cross.
- **Scriptural Support:**
- **Isaiah 53:5-6**: "But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned—every one—to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all."
- **2 Corinthians 5:21**: "For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God."
- **1 Peter 2:24**: "He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed."

Isa 53 simply states he was crushed for our iniquities. It does not say they were made his own

1Pe 2:24 bore as to carry away does not say they then became his

both are assumptions

finally

2cor 5:21

Verse 21. For he hath made him to be sin for us] Τον μη γνοντα ἁμαρτιαν, ὑπερ ἡμων ἁμαρτιαν εποιησεν· He made him who knew no sin, (who was innocent,) a sin-offering for us. The word ἁμαρτια occurs here twice: in the first place it means sin, i. e. transgression and guilt; and of Christ it is said, He knew no sin, i. e. was innocent; for nut to know sin is the same as to be conscious of innocence; so, nil conscire sibi, to be conscious of nothing against one’s self, is the same as nulla pallescere culpa, to be unimpeachable.

In the second place, it signifies a sin-offering, or sacrifice for sin, and answers to the חטאה‎ chattaah and חטאת‎ chattath of the Hebrew text; which signifies both sin and sin-offering in a great variety of places in the Pentateuch. The Septuagint translate the Hebrew word by ἁμαρτια in ninety-four places in Exodus, Leviticus, and Numbers, where a sin-offering is meant; and where our version translates the word not sin, but an offering for sin. Had our translators attended to their own method of translating the word in other places where it means the same as here, they would not have given this false view of a passage which has been made the foundation of a most blasphemous doctrine; viz. that our sins were imputed to Christ, and that he was a proper object of the indignation of Divine justice, because he was blackened with imputed sin; and some have proceeded so far in this blasphemous career as to say, that Christ may be considered as the greatest of sinners, because all the sins of mankind, or of the elect, as they say, were imputed to him, and reckoned as his own1

1 Adam Clarke, The Holy Bible with a Commentary and Critical Notes (vol. 6, New Edition.; Bellingham, WA: Faithlife Corporation, 2014), 338–339.

examples from the old testament

Lev 4:29And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay the sin offering in the place of the burnt offering.
Lev 4:32And if he bring a lamb for a sin offering, he shall bring it a female without blemish.
Lev 4:3If the priest that is anointed do sin according to the sin of the people; then let him bring for his sin, which he hath sinned, a young bullock without blemish unto the Lord for a sin offering.
Lev 4:33And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay it for a sin offering in the place where they kill the burnt offering.
Lev 5:11But if he be not able to bring two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, then he that sinned shall bring for his offering the tenth part of an ephah of fine flour for a sin offering; he shall put no oil upon it, neither shall he put any frankincense thereon: for it is a sin offering.
Lev 4:24And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the goat, and kill it in the place where they kill the burnt offering before the Lord: it is a sin offering.
Lev 4:23Or if his sin, wherein he hath sinned, come to his knowledge; he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a male without blemish:
Lev 4:28Or if his sin, which he hath sinned, come to his knowledge: then he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for his sin which he hath sinned.
Lev 6:25Speak unto Aaron and to his sons, saying, This is the law of the sin offering: In the place where the burnt offering is killed shall the sin offering be killed before the Lord: it is most holy.
Lev 5:7And if he be not able to bring a lamb, then he shall bring for his trespass, which he hath committed, two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, unto the Lord; one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering.
Lev 5:9And he shall sprinkle of the blood of the sin offering upon the side of the altar; and the rest of the blood shall be wrung out at the bottom of the altar: it is a sin offering.
Lev 4:21And he shall carry forth the bullock without the camp, and burn him as he burned the first bullock: it is a sin offering for the congregation.
Lev 4:25And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out his blood at the bottom of the altar of burnt offering.
Lev 5:6And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the Lord for his sin which he hath sinned, a female from the flock, a lamb or a kid of the goats, for a sin offering; and the priest shall make an atonement for him concerning his sin.
Lev 4:8And he shall take off from it all the fat of the bullock for the sin offering; the fat that covereth the inwards, and all the fat that is upon the inwards,
Lev 5:10And he shall offer the second for a burnt offering, according to the manner: and the priest shall make an atonement for him for his sin which he hath sinned, and it shall be forgiven him.
Lev 14:13And he shall slay the lamb in the place where he shall kill the sin offering and the burnt offering, in the holy place: for as the sin offering is the priest’s, so is the trespass offering: it is most holy:
Lev 9:8Aaron therefore went unto the altar, and slew the calf of the sin offering, which was for himself.
Lev 16:5And he shall take of the congregation of the children of Israel two kids of the goats for a sin offering, and one ram for a burnt offering.
Lev 7:7As the sin offering is, so is the trespass offering: there is one law for them: the priest that maketh atonement therewith shall have it.
Lev 16:11And Aaron shall bring the bullock of the sin offering, which is for himself, and shall make an atonement for himself, and for his house, and shall kill the bullock of the sin offering which is for himself:
Lev 16:3Thus shall Aaron come into the holy place: with a young bullock for a sin offering, and a ram for a burnt offering.
Num 6:14And he shall offer his offering unto the Lord, one he lamb of the first year without blemish for a burnt offering, and one ewe lamb of the first year without blemish for a sin offering, and one ram without blemish for peace offerings,
Lev 16:9And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which the Lord’s lot fell, and offer him for a sin offering.
Num 7:46One kid of the goats for a sin offering:
Num 7:28One kid of the goats for a sin offering:
Num 7:58One kid of the goats for a sin offering:
Num 7:16One kid of the goats for a sin offering:
Num 6:16And the priest shall bring them before the Lord, and shall offer his sin offering, and his burnt offering:
Num 7:40One kid of the goats for a sin offering:

Now it cannot mean that he was literally sin in the abstract, or ontologinally made to be sin as such.

It cannot mean he was guilty of sin

for the bible states he was undefiled and without sin

Hebrews 7:26 (KJV 1900) — 26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

Hebrews 4:15 (KJV 1900) — 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

2. **Imputation of Christ’s Righteousness to the Believer:**
- In exchange, Christ's perfect righteousness is imputed to believers. This means that God counts believers as righteous, not because of their own works, but because of the righteousness of Christ credited to them.
- **Scriptural Support:**
- **Romans 4:5-6**: "And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works."

UM that says ones faith is counted for righteousness. Not that man receives Christ's righteousness

- **Romans 5:18-19**: "Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous."

Again nothing about Christ's righteousness being transferred

- **Philippians 3:9**: "And be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith."

Righteousness, which comes through faith

Says nothing about Christ's righteousness being transferred

It's simply not in the bible

 

[Johann]

Isa 53 simply states he was crushed for our iniquities. It does not say they were made his own

1Pe 2:24 bore as to carry away does not say they then became his

both are assumptions

finally

2cor 5:21

Verse 21. For he hath made him to be sin for us] Τον μη γνοντα ἁμαρτιαν, ὑπερ ἡμων ἁμαρτιαν εποιησεν· He made him who knew no sin, (who was innocent,) a sin-offering for us. The word ἁμαρτια occurs here twice: in the first place it means sin, i. e. transgression and guilt; and of Christ it is said, He knew no sin, i. e. was innocent; for nut to know sin is the same as to be conscious of innocence; so, nil conscire sibi, to be conscious of nothing against one’s self, is the same as nulla pallescere culpa, to be unimpeachable.

In the second place, it signifies a sin-offering, or sacrifice for sin, and answers to the חטאה‎ chattaah and חטאת‎ chattath of the Hebrew text; which signifies both sin and sin-offering in a great variety of places in the Pentateuch. The Septuagint translate the Hebrew word by ἁμαρτια in ninety-four places in Exodus, Leviticus, and Numbers, where a sin-offering is meant; and where our version translates the word not sin, but an offering for sin. Had our translators attended to their own method of translating the word in other places where it means the same as here, they would not have given this false view of a passage which has been made the foundation of a most blasphemous doctrine; viz. that our sins were imputed to Christ, and that he was a proper object of the indignation of Divine justice, because he was blackened with imputed sin; and some have proceeded so far in this blasphemous career as to say, that Christ may be considered as the greatest of sinners, because all the sins of mankind, or of the elect, as they say, were imputed to him, and reckoned as his own1

1 Adam Clarke, The Holy Bible with a Commentary and Critical Notes (vol. 6, New Edition.; Bellingham, WA: Faithlife Corporation, 2014), 338–339.

examples from the old testament

Lev 4:29And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay the sin offering in the place of the burnt offering.
Lev 4:32And if he bring a lamb for a sin offering, he shall bring it a female without blemish.
Lev 4:3If the priest that is anointed do sin according to the sin of the people; then let him bring for his sin, which he hath sinned, a young bullock without blemish unto the Lord for a sin offering.
Lev 4:33And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay it for a sin offering in the place where they kill the burnt offering.
Lev 5:11But if he be not able to bring two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, then he that sinned shall bring for his offering the tenth part of an ephah of fine flour for a sin offering; he shall put no oil upon it, neither shall he put any frankincense thereon: for it is a sin offering.
Lev 4:24And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the goat, and kill it in the place where they kill the burnt offering before the Lord: it is a sin offering.
Lev 4:23Or if his sin, wherein he hath sinned, come to his knowledge; he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a male without blemish:
Lev 4:28Or if his sin, which he hath sinned, come to his knowledge: then he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for his sin which he hath sinned.
Lev 6:25Speak unto Aaron and to his sons, saying, This is the law of the sin offering: In the place where the burnt offering is killed shall the sin offering be killed before the Lord: it is most holy.
Lev 5:7And if he be not able to bring a lamb, then he shall bring for his trespass, which he hath committed, two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, unto the Lord; one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering.
Lev 5:9And he shall sprinkle of the blood of the sin offering upon the side of the altar; and the rest of the blood shall be wrung out at the bottom of the altar: it is a sin offering.
Lev 4:21And he shall carry forth the bullock without the camp, and burn him as he burned the first bullock: it is a sin offering for the congregation.
Lev 4:25And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out his blood at the bottom of the altar of burnt offering.
Lev 5:6And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the Lord for his sin which he hath sinned, a female from the flock, a lamb or a kid of the goats, for a sin offering; and the priest shall make an atonement for him concerning his sin.
Lev 4:8And he shall take off from it all the fat of the bullock for the sin offering; the fat that covereth the inwards, and all the fat that is upon the inwards,
Lev 5:10And he shall offer the second for a burnt offering, according to the manner: and the priest shall make an atonement for him for his sin which he hath sinned, and it shall be forgiven him.
Lev 14:13And he shall slay the lamb in the place where he shall kill the sin offering and the burnt offering, in the holy place: for as the sin offering is the priest’s, so is the trespass offering: it is most holy:
Lev 9:8Aaron therefore went unto the altar, and slew the calf of the sin offering, which was for himself.
Lev 16:5And he shall take of the congregation of the children of Israel two kids of the goats for a sin offering, and one ram for a burnt offering.
Lev 7:7As the sin offering is, so is the trespass offering: there is one law for them: the priest that maketh atonement therewith shall have it.
Lev 16:11And Aaron shall bring the bullock of the sin offering, which is for himself, and shall make an atonement for himself, and for his house, and shall kill the bullock of the sin offering which is for himself:
Lev 16:3Thus shall Aaron come into the holy place: with a young bullock for a sin offering, and a ram for a burnt offering.
Num 6:14And he shall offer his offering unto the Lord, one he lamb of the first year without blemish for a burnt offering, and one ewe lamb of the first year without blemish for a sin offering, and one ram without blemish for peace offerings,
Lev 16:9And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which the Lord’s lot fell, and offer him for a sin offering.
Num 7:46One kid of the goats for a sin offering:
Num 7:28One kid of the goats for a sin offering:
Num 7:58One kid of the goats for a sin offering:
Num 7:16One kid of the goats for a sin offering:
Num 6:16And the priest shall bring them before the Lord, and shall offer his sin offering, and his burnt offering:
Num 7:40One kid of the goats for a sin offering:

Now it cannot mean that he was literally sin in the abstract, or ontologinally made to be sin as such.

It cannot mean he was guilty of sin

for the bible states he was undefiled and without sin

Hebrews 7:26 (KJV 1900) — 26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

Hebrews 4:15 (KJV 1900) — 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.










UM that says ones faith is counted for righteousness. Not that man receives Christ's righteousness




Again nothing about Christ's righteousness being transferred




Righteousness, which comes through faith

Says nothing about Christ's righteousness being transferred

It's simply not in the bible

One problem-you don't read carefully so I'm not going to bother to show you -let the readers-astute readers see for themselves you have a problem reading slowly and accurately-no offense.

 

[Johann]

Isa 53 simply states he was crushed for our iniquities. It does not say they were made his own

1Pe 2:24 bore as to carry away does not say they then became his

both are assumptions

**Imputation of the Believer’s Sins to Christ:**
- Christ, who is sinless, takes upon Himself the sins of believers. This means that the sins of those who believe in Christ are imputed (or attributed) to Him, and He bears the punishment for those sins on the cross.
- **Scriptural Support:**
- **Isaiah 53:5-6**: "But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned—every one—to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all."
- **2 Corinthians 5:21**: "For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God."
- **1 Peter 2:24**: "He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed."

If Scripture are assumptions you have a problem.

Now it cannot mean that he was literally sin in the abstract, or ontologinally made to be sin as such.

It cannot mean he was guilty of sin

Nothing in my post even hinted at your assertions-you may want to try again-no offence.

Isa 53 simply states he was crushed for our iniquities. It does not say they were made his own

1Pe 2:24 bore as to carry away does not say they then became his

both are assumptions

Nothing in my post even hinted at your assertions-you may want to try again.

 

[Johann]

UM that says ones faith is counted for righteousness. Not that man receives Christ's righteousness

1. 2 Corinthians 5:21
   • "For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God."
2. Romans 3:21-22
   • "But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it—the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction."
3. Romans 4:5-6
   • "And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works."
4. Romans 5:17
   • "For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ."
5. Romans 10:3-4
   • "For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."
6. Philippians 3:9
   • "And be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith."
7. 1 Corinthians 1:30
   • "And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption."
8. Isaiah 61:10
   • "I will greatly rejoice in the Lord; my soul shall exult in my God, for he has clothed me with the garments of salvation; he has covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decks himself like a priest with a beautiful headdress, and as a bride adorns herself with her jewels."

These verses collectively affirm that believers receive Christ's righteousness through faith, not based on their own works, but as a gift from God.

Righteousness, which comes through faith

Says nothing about Christ's righteousness being transferred

It's simply not in the bible

2 Corinthians 5:21

"For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God."
Romans 3:21-22

"But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it—the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction."
Romans 4:5-6

"And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works."
Romans 5:17

"For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ."
Romans 10:3-4

"For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."
Philippians 3:9

"And be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith."
1 Corinthians 1:30

"And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption."
Isaiah 61:10

"I will greatly rejoice in the Lord; my soul shall exult in my God, for he has clothed me with the garments of salvation; he has covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decks himself like a priest with a beautiful headdress, and as a bride adorns herself with her jewels."
These verses collectively affirm that believers receive Christ's righteousness through faith, not based on their own works, but as a gift from God.

You may want to try again.

 

[TomL]

**Imputation of the Believer’s Sins to Christ:**
- Christ, who is sinless, takes upon Himself the sins of believers. This means that the sins of those who believe in Christ are imputed (or attributed) to Him, and He bears the punishment for those sins on the cross.
- **Scriptural Support:**
- **Isaiah 53:5-6**: "But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned—every one—to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all."
- **2 Corinthians 5:21**: "For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God."
- **1 Peter 2:24**: "He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed."

If Scripture are assumptions you have a problem.

Nothing in my post even hinted at your assertions-you may want to try again-no offence.

Nothing in my post even hinted at your assertions-you may want to try again.

You are just repeating yourself. Ignoring rebuttal

There is no need to try again

Isa 53 simply states he was crushed for our iniquities. It does not say they were made his own

you did not address this

1Pe 2:24 bore as to carry away does not say they then became his

both are assumptions

and the issue is not what the bible states but how you interpreted it

finally

2cor 5:21

Verse 21. For he hath made him to be sin for us] Τον μη γνοντα ἁμαρτιαν, ὑπερ ἡμων ἁμαρτιαν εποιησεν· He made him who knew no sin, (who was innocent,) a sin-offering for us. The word ἁμαρτια occurs here twice: in the first place it means sin, i. e. transgression and guilt; and of Christ it is said, He knew no sin, i. e. was innocent; for nut to know sin is the same as to be conscious of innocence; so, nil conscire sibi, to be conscious of nothing against one’s self, is the same as nulla pallescere culpa, to be unimpeachable.

In the second place, it signifies a sin-offering, or sacrifice for sin, and answers to the חטאה‎ chattaah and חטאת‎ chattath of the Hebrew text; which signifies both sin and sin-offering in a great variety of places in the Pentateuch. The Septuagint translate the Hebrew word by ἁμαρτια in ninety-four places in Exodus, Leviticus, and Numbers, where a sin-offering is meant; and where our version translates the word not sin, but an offering for sin. Had our translators attended to their own method of translating the word in other places where it means the same as here, they would not have given this false view of a passage which has been made the foundation of a most blasphemous doctrine; viz. that our sins were imputed to Christ, and that he was a proper object of the indignation of Divine justice, because he was blackened with imputed sin; and some have proceeded so far in this blasphemous career as to say, that Christ may be considered as the greatest of sinners, because all the sins of mankind, or of the elect, as they say, were imputed to him, and reckoned as his own1

1 Adam Clarke, The Holy Bible with a Commentary and Critical Notes (vol. 6, New Edition.; Bellingham, WA: Faithlife Corporation, 2014), 338–339.

examples from the old testament

Lev 4:29And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay the sin offering in the place of the burnt offering.
Lev 4:32And if he bring a lamb for a sin offering, he shall bring it a female without blemish.
Lev 4:3If the priest that is anointed do sin according to the sin of the people; then let him bring for his sin, which he hath sinned, a young bullock without blemish unto the Lord for a sin offering.
Lev 4:33And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay it for a sin offering in the place where they kill the burnt offering.
Lev 5:11But if he be not able to bring two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, then he that sinned shall bring for his offering the tenth part of an ephah of fine flour for a sin offering; he shall put no oil upon it, neither shall he put any frankincense thereon: for it is a sin offering.
Lev 4:24And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the goat, and kill it in the place where they kill the burnt offering before the Lord: it is a sin offering.
Lev 4:23Or if his sin, wherein he hath sinned, come to his knowledge; he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a male without blemish:
Lev 4:28Or if his sin, which he hath sinned, come to his knowledge: then he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for his sin which he hath sinned.
Lev 6:25Speak unto Aaron and to his sons, saying, This is the law of the sin offering: In the place where the burnt offering is killed shall the sin offering be killed before the Lord: it is most holy.
Lev 5:7And if he be not able to bring a lamb, then he shall bring for his trespass, which he hath committed, two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, unto the Lord; one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering.
Lev 5:9And he shall sprinkle of the blood of the sin offering upon the side of the altar; and the rest of the blood shall be wrung out at the bottom of the altar: it is a sin offering.
Lev 4:21And he shall carry forth the bullock without the camp, and burn him as he burned the first bullock: it is a sin offering for the congregation.
Lev 4:25And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out his blood at the bottom of the altar of burnt offering.
Lev 5:6And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the Lord for his sin which he hath sinned, a female from the flock, a lamb or a kid of the goats, for a sin offering; and the priest shall make an atonement for him concerning his sin.
Lev 4:8And he shall take off from it all the fat of the bullock for the sin offering; the fat that covereth the inwards, and all the fat that is upon the inwards,
Lev 5:10And he shall offer the second for a burnt offering, according to the manner: and the priest shall make an atonement for him for his sin which he hath sinned, and it shall be forgiven him.
Lev 14:13And he shall slay the lamb in the place where he shall kill the sin offering and the burnt offering, in the holy place: for as the sin offering is the priest’s, so is the trespass offering: it is most holy:
Lev 9:8Aaron therefore went unto the altar, and slew the calf of the sin offering, which was for himself.
Lev 16:5And he shall take of the congregation of the children of Israel two kids of the goats for a sin offering, and one ram for a burnt offering.
Lev 7:7As the sin offering is, so is the trespass offering: there is one law for them: the priest that maketh atonement therewith shall have it.
Lev 16:11And Aaron shall bring the bullock of the sin offering, which is for himself, and shall make an atonement for himself, and for his house, and shall kill the bullock of the sin offering which is for himself:
Lev 16:3Thus shall Aaron come into the holy place: with a young bullock for a sin offering, and a ram for a burnt offering.
Num 6:14And he shall offer his offering unto the Lord, one he lamb of the first year without blemish for a burnt offering, and one ewe lamb of the first year without blemish for a sin offering, and one ram without blemish for peace offerings,
Lev 16:9And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which the Lord’s lot fell, and offer him for a sin offering.
Num 7:46One kid of the goats for a sin offering:
Num 7:28One kid of the goats for a sin offering:
Num 7:58One kid of the goats for a sin offering:
Num 7:16One kid of the goats for a sin offering:
Num 6:16And the priest shall bring them before the Lord, and shall offer his sin offering, and his burnt offering:
Num 7:40One kid of the goats for a sin offering:

the Septuagint the Greek Old Testament follows the same pattern using the single word harmatia (sin) to denote the sin offering

Now it cannot mean that he was literally sin in the abstract, or ontologinally made to be sin as such.

It cannot mean he was guilty of sin

for the bible states he was undefiled and without sin

Hebrews 7:26 (KJV 1900) — 26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

Hebrews 4:15 (KJV 1900) — 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

How then can you explain Christ being made sin

(MLV2021) For* the one who knew no sin, he was made* the sin offering on our behalf; in-order-that we might become the righteousness of God in him.

(RHB16) For Him who having known no sin, He has made sin bearer for us; that we may become the righteousness of God in Him.

(Anderson) for he has made him, who knew no sin, a sin-offering for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in him.

(AOB) HE CAUSED HIM WHO KNEW NO SIN [to become a] SIN OFFERING (Rom_8:3) ON OUR BEHALF, SO THAT WE MIGHT BECOME THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THEOS

(cjb) God made this sinless man be a sin offering on our behalf, so that in union with him we might fully share in God's righteousness."

(CLV) For the One not knowing sin, He makes to be a sin offering for our sakes that we may be becoming God's righteousness in Him."

(CTBible) for he hath made him who knew no sin, a sin offering for us, that by him we may be made the righteousness of God;

(Mace) for he hath made him who knew no sin to be a sin-offering for us, that we might be justified by God thro' him.

(LONT) For he has made him, who knew no sin, a sin-offering for us; that we might become the justified of God, by him.

(NJB) For our sake he made the sinless one a victim for sin, so that in him we might become the uprightness of God

(REV_231015) He made him who did not know sin to be a sin offering on our behalf, so that, through union with him, we would become the righteousness of God.

TCENT) For God made him who did not know sin to be a sin offering for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God

Thomas HaweisFor he hath made him, who knew no sin, to be a sin offering for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in him.

UDB) Yahweh made Messiah the offering for sin, the one who never sinned, so that when we trust in Messiah and believe in him, Yahweh makes us right with himself.

(ULB) He made Christ become the sacrifice for our sin. He is the one who never sinned. He did this so that we might become the righteousness of God in him.

(ULLB) He made Christ become the sacrifice for our sin. He is the one who never sinned. He did this so that we might become the righteousness of God in him.

ULT) He made Christ become the sacrifice for our sin. He is the one who never sinned. He did this so that we might become the righteousness of God in him.

(UST) He made Christ become the sacrifice for our sin. He is the one who never sinned. He did this so that we might become the righteousness of God in him.
.

 

[Johann]

You are just repeating yourself. Ignoring rebuttal

There is no need to try again

Isa 53 simply states he was crushed for our iniquities. It does not say they were made his own

you did not address this

1Pe 2:24 bore as to carry away does not say they then became his

both are assumptions

and the issue is not what the bible states but how you interpreted it

finally

2cor 5:21

Verse 21. For he hath made him to be sin for us] Τον μη γνοντα ἁμαρτιαν, ὑπερ ἡμων ἁμαρτιαν εποιησεν· He made him who knew no sin, (who was innocent,) a sin-offering for us. The word ἁμαρτια occurs here twice: in the first place it means sin, i. e. transgression and guilt; and of Christ it is said, He knew no sin, i. e. was innocent; for nut to know sin is the same as to be conscious of innocence; so, nil conscire sibi, to be conscious of nothing against one’s self, is the same as nulla pallescere culpa, to be unimpeachable.

In the second place, it signifies a sin-offering, or sacrifice for sin, and answers to the חטאה‎ chattaah and חטאת‎ chattath of the Hebrew text; which signifies both sin and sin-offering in a great variety of places in the Pentateuch. The Septuagint translate the Hebrew word by ἁμαρτια in ninety-four places in Exodus, Leviticus, and Numbers, where a sin-offering is meant; and where our version translates the word not sin, but an offering for sin. Had our translators attended to their own method of translating the word in other places where it means the same as here, they would not have given this false view of a passage which has been made the foundation of a most blasphemous doctrine; viz. that our sins were imputed to Christ, and that he was a proper object of the indignation of Divine justice, because he was blackened with imputed sin; and some have proceeded so far in this blasphemous career as to say, that Christ may be considered as the greatest of sinners, because all the sins of mankind, or of the elect, as they say, were imputed to him, and reckoned as his own1

1 Adam Clarke, The Holy Bible with a Commentary and Critical Notes (vol. 6, New Edition.; Bellingham, WA: Faithlife Corporation, 2014), 338–339.

examples from the old testament

Lev 4:29And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay the sin offering in the place of the burnt offering.
Lev 4:32And if he bring a lamb for a sin offering, he shall bring it a female without blemish.
Lev 4:3If the priest that is anointed do sin according to the sin of the people; then let him bring for his sin, which he hath sinned, a young bullock without blemish unto the Lord for a sin offering.
Lev 4:33And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay it for a sin offering in the place where they kill the burnt offering.
Lev 5:11But if he be not able to bring two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, then he that sinned shall bring for his offering the tenth part of an ephah of fine flour for a sin offering; he shall put no oil upon it, neither shall he put any frankincense thereon: for it is a sin offering.
Lev 4:24And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the goat, and kill it in the place where they kill the burnt offering before the Lord: it is a sin offering.
Lev 4:23Or if his sin, wherein he hath sinned, come to his knowledge; he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a male without blemish:
Lev 4:28Or if his sin, which he hath sinned, come to his knowledge: then he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for his sin which he hath sinned.
Lev 6:25Speak unto Aaron and to his sons, saying, This is the law of the sin offering: In the place where the burnt offering is killed shall the sin offering be killed before the Lord: it is most holy.
Lev 5:7And if he be not able to bring a lamb, then he shall bring for his trespass, which he hath committed, two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, unto the Lord; one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering.
Lev 5:9And he shall sprinkle of the blood of the sin offering upon the side of the altar; and the rest of the blood shall be wrung out at the bottom of the altar: it is a sin offering.
Lev 4:21And he shall carry forth the bullock without the camp, and burn him as he burned the first bullock: it is a sin offering for the congregation.
Lev 4:25And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out his blood at the bottom of the altar of burnt offering.
Lev 5:6And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the Lord for his sin which he hath sinned, a female from the flock, a lamb or a kid of the goats, for a sin offering; and the priest shall make an atonement for him concerning his sin.
Lev 4:8And he shall take off from it all the fat of the bullock for the sin offering; the fat that covereth the inwards, and all the fat that is upon the inwards,
Lev 5:10And he shall offer the second for a burnt offering, according to the manner: and the priest shall make an atonement for him for his sin which he hath sinned, and it shall be forgiven him.
Lev 14:13And he shall slay the lamb in the place where he shall kill the sin offering and the burnt offering, in the holy place: for as the sin offering is the priest’s, so is the trespass offering: it is most holy:
Lev 9:8Aaron therefore went unto the altar, and slew the calf of the sin offering, which was for himself.
Lev 16:5And he shall take of the congregation of the children of Israel two kids of the goats for a sin offering, and one ram for a burnt offering.
Lev 7:7As the sin offering is, so is the trespass offering: there is one law for them: the priest that maketh atonement therewith shall have it.
Lev 16:11And Aaron shall bring the bullock of the sin offering, which is for himself, and shall make an atonement for himself, and for his house, and shall kill the bullock of the sin offering which is for himself:
Lev 16:3Thus shall Aaron come into the holy place: with a young bullock for a sin offering, and a ram for a burnt offering.
Num 6:14And he shall offer his offering unto the Lord, one he lamb of the first year without blemish for a burnt offering, and one ewe lamb of the first year without blemish for a sin offering, and one ram without blemish for peace offerings,
Lev 16:9And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which the Lord’s lot fell, and offer him for a sin offering.
Num 7:46One kid of the goats for a sin offering:
Num 7:28One kid of the goats for a sin offering:
Num 7:58One kid of the goats for a sin offering:
Num 7:16One kid of the goats for a sin offering:
Num 6:16And the priest shall bring them before the Lord, and shall offer his sin offering, and his burnt offering:
Num 7:40One kid of the goats for a sin offering:

the Septuagint the Greek Old Testament follows the same pattern using the single word harmatia (sin) to denote the sin offering

Now it cannot mean that he was literally sin in the abstract, or ontologinally made to be sin as such.

It cannot mean he was guilty of sin

for the bible states he was undefiled and without sin

Hebrews 7:26 (KJV 1900) — 26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

Hebrews 4:15 (KJV 1900) — 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

How then can you explain Christ being made sin

(MLV2021) For* the one who knew no sin, he was made* the sin offering on our behalf; in-order-that we might become the righteousness of God in him.

(RHB16) For Him who having known no sin, He has made sin bearer for us; that we may become the righteousness of God in Him.

(Anderson) for he has made him, who knew no sin, a sin-offering for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in him.

(AOB) HE CAUSED HIM WHO KNEW NO SIN [to become a] SIN OFFERING (Rom_8:3) ON OUR BEHALF, SO THAT WE MIGHT BECOME THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THEOS

(cjb) God made this sinless man be a sin offering on our behalf, so that in union with him we might fully share in God's righteousness."

(CLV) For the One not knowing sin, He makes to be a sin offering for our sakes that we may be becoming God's righteousness in Him."

(CTBible) for he hath made him who knew no sin, a sin offering for us, that by him we may be made the righteousness of God;

(Mace) for he hath made him who knew no sin to be a sin-offering for us, that we might be justified by God thro' him.

(LONT) For he has made him, who knew no sin, a sin-offering for us; that we might become the justified of God, by him.

(NJB) For our sake he made the sinless one a victim for sin, so that in him we might become the uprightness of God

(REV_231015) He made him who did not know sin to be a sin offering on our behalf, so that, through union with him, we would become the righteousness of God.

TCENT) For God made him who did not know sin to be a sin offering for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God

Thomas HaweisFor he hath made him, who knew no sin, to be a sin offering for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in him.

UDB) Yahweh made Messiah the offering for sin, the one who never sinned, so that when we trust in Messiah and believe in him, Yahweh makes us right with himself.

(ULB) He made Christ become the sacrifice for our sin. He is the one who never sinned. He did this so that we might become the righteousness of God in him.

(ULLB) He made Christ become the sacrifice for our sin. He is the one who never sinned. He did this so that we might become the righteousness of God in him.

ULT) He made Christ become the sacrifice for our sin. He is the one who never sinned. He did this so that we might become the righteousness of God in him.

(UST) He made Christ become the sacrifice for our sin. He is the one who never sinned. He did this so that we might become the righteousness of God in him.
.

Did it finally dawn on you?

1Co 1:30 It is because of God [Lit. him] that you are in union with the Messiah [Or Christ] Jesus, who for us has become wisdom from God, as well as our righteousness, sanctification, and redemption.

1Co 1:30 But you are of Hashem in Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach Yehoshua who became to us chochmah (wisdom) from Hashem, our Tzidkanut (Righteousness) and our Kedushah (Holiness) and our Geulah LaOlam (Redemption to the world), [Jer 23:5,6; 33:16]

1Co 1:30 But you also belong to YAHWEH through Messiah Yahshua, who was made to us wisdom from YAHWEH, both righteousness and sanctification and redemption,

1Co 1:30 [of him But you are] in Christ Jesus, who became wisdom to us from God, both righteousness and sanctification and release by ransom;
1Co 1:31 that, as it has been written, The one boasting, [in the Lord let him boast]!
2Co 5:21 For the one not knowing sin, [for us a sin offering he made], that we should be righteousness of God by him.
2Co 5:21 The one who in his person had no da'as of chattat (sin) [Ac 3:14; Yn 8:46; MJ 4:15; 7:26; 1K 2:22; 1Y 3:5], this one Hashem made a chattat sin offering [Ga 3:13; YESHAYAH 53:10; VAYIKRA 4:24 TARGUM HASHIVIM] on our behalf that we might become the Tzidkat Hashem [DANIEL 9:24] in Moshiach. [1C 1:30; Pp 3:9] [T.N. In this next chapter Rav Sha’ul warns against associations or worldly influences or fascinations that will contaminate the believer, who should not think he can have both the world’s evil pleasures and the House of G-d’s holy chelek.]

2Co 5:21 For He who did not know sin, for your sakes made Himself sin, that we might through Him become the righteousness of YAHWEH.


--as to this--
How then can you explain Christ being made sin?

You have the tools-right? Please don't misconstrue my words in future.

 

[civic]

Isa 53 simply states he was crushed for our iniquities. It does not say they were made his own

1Pe 2:24 bore as to carry away does not say they then became his

both are assumptions

finally

2cor 5:21

Verse 21. For he hath made him to be sin for us] Τον μη γνοντα ἁμαρτιαν, ὑπερ ἡμων ἁμαρτιαν εποιησεν· He made him who knew no sin, (who was innocent,) a sin-offering for us. The word ἁμαρτια occurs here twice: in the first place it means sin, i. e. transgression and guilt; and of Christ it is said, He knew no sin, i. e. was innocent; for nut to know sin is the same as to be conscious of innocence; so, nil conscire sibi, to be conscious of nothing against one’s self, is the same as nulla pallescere culpa, to be unimpeachable.

In the second place, it signifies a sin-offering, or sacrifice for sin, and answers to the חטאה‎ chattaah and חטאת‎ chattath of the Hebrew text; which signifies both sin and sin-offering in a great variety of places in the Pentateuch. The Septuagint translate the Hebrew word by ἁμαρτια in ninety-four places in Exodus, Leviticus, and Numbers, where a sin-offering is meant; and where our version translates the word not sin, but an offering for sin. Had our translators attended to their own method of translating the word in other places where it means the same as here, they would not have given this false view of a passage which has been made the foundation of a most blasphemous doctrine; viz. that our sins were imputed to Christ, and that he was a proper object of the indignation of Divine justice, because he was blackened with imputed sin; and some have proceeded so far in this blasphemous career as to say, that Christ may be considered as the greatest of sinners, because all the sins of mankind, or of the elect, as they say, were imputed to him, and reckoned as his own1

1 Adam Clarke, The Holy Bible with a Commentary and Critical Notes (vol. 6, New Edition.; Bellingham, WA: Faithlife Corporation, 2014), 338–339.

examples from the old testament

Lev 4:29And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay the sin offering in the place of the burnt offering.
Lev 4:32And if he bring a lamb for a sin offering, he shall bring it a female without blemish.
Lev 4:3If the priest that is anointed do sin according to the sin of the people; then let him bring for his sin, which he hath sinned, a young bullock without blemish unto the Lord for a sin offering.
Lev 4:33And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay it for a sin offering in the place where they kill the burnt offering.
Lev 5:11But if he be not able to bring two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, then he that sinned shall bring for his offering the tenth part of an ephah of fine flour for a sin offering; he shall put no oil upon it, neither shall he put any frankincense thereon: for it is a sin offering.
Lev 4:24And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the goat, and kill it in the place where they kill the burnt offering before the Lord: it is a sin offering.
Lev 4:23Or if his sin, wherein he hath sinned, come to his knowledge; he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a male without blemish:
Lev 4:28Or if his sin, which he hath sinned, come to his knowledge: then he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for his sin which he hath sinned.
Lev 6:25Speak unto Aaron and to his sons, saying, This is the law of the sin offering: In the place where the burnt offering is killed shall the sin offering be killed before the Lord: it is most holy.
Lev 5:7And if he be not able to bring a lamb, then he shall bring for his trespass, which he hath committed, two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, unto the Lord; one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering.
Lev 5:9And he shall sprinkle of the blood of the sin offering upon the side of the altar; and the rest of the blood shall be wrung out at the bottom of the altar: it is a sin offering.
Lev 4:21And he shall carry forth the bullock without the camp, and burn him as he burned the first bullock: it is a sin offering for the congregation.
Lev 4:25And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out his blood at the bottom of the altar of burnt offering.
Lev 5:6And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the Lord for his sin which he hath sinned, a female from the flock, a lamb or a kid of the goats, for a sin offering; and the priest shall make an atonement for him concerning his sin.
Lev 4:8And he shall take off from it all the fat of the bullock for the sin offering; the fat that covereth the inwards, and all the fat that is upon the inwards,
Lev 5:10And he shall offer the second for a burnt offering, according to the manner: and the priest shall make an atonement for him for his sin which he hath sinned, and it shall be forgiven him.
Lev 14:13And he shall slay the lamb in the place where he shall kill the sin offering and the burnt offering, in the holy place: for as the sin offering is the priest’s, so is the trespass offering: it is most holy:
Lev 9:8Aaron therefore went unto the altar, and slew the calf of the sin offering, which was for himself.
Lev 16:5And he shall take of the congregation of the children of Israel two kids of the goats for a sin offering, and one ram for a burnt offering.
Lev 7:7As the sin offering is, so is the trespass offering: there is one law for them: the priest that maketh atonement therewith shall have it.
Lev 16:11And Aaron shall bring the bullock of the sin offering, which is for himself, and shall make an atonement for himself, and for his house, and shall kill the bullock of the sin offering which is for himself:
Lev 16:3Thus shall Aaron come into the holy place: with a young bullock for a sin offering, and a ram for a burnt offering.
Num 6:14And he shall offer his offering unto the Lord, one he lamb of the first year without blemish for a burnt offering, and one ewe lamb of the first year without blemish for a sin offering, and one ram without blemish for peace offerings,
Lev 16:9And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which the Lord’s lot fell, and offer him for a sin offering.
Num 7:46One kid of the goats for a sin offering:
Num 7:28One kid of the goats for a sin offering:
Num 7:58One kid of the goats for a sin offering:
Num 7:16One kid of the goats for a sin offering:
Num 6:16And the priest shall bring them before the Lord, and shall offer his sin offering, and his burnt offering:
Num 7:40One kid of the goats for a sin offering:

Now it cannot mean that he was literally sin in the abstract, or ontologinally made to be sin as such.

It cannot mean he was guilty of sin

for the bible states he was undefiled and without sin

Hebrews 7:26 (KJV 1900) — 26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

Hebrews 4:15 (KJV 1900) — 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.










UM that says ones faith is counted for righteousness. Not that man receives Christ's righteousness




Again nothing about Christ's righteousness being transferred




Righteousness, which comes through faith

Says nothing about Christ's righteousness being transferred

It's simply not in the bible

Thanks for sharing that brother

 

[koberstein]

Something you want to discuss? Don't look at my profile picture-that's not who I am.

Then who are you?? I have nothing to discuss with you short of putting you on ignore.

 

[Johann]

Then who are you?? I have nothing to discuss with you short of putting you on ignore.

Go right ahead.

 

[TomL]

Thanks for sharing that brother

You are welcome

 

[TomL]

Did it finally dawn on you?

1Co 1:30 It is because of God [Lit. him] that you are in union with the Messiah [Or Christ] Jesus, who for us has become wisdom from God, as well as our righteousness, sanctification, and redemption.

1Co 1:30 But you are of Hashem in Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach Yehoshua who became to us chochmah (wisdom) from Hashem, our Tzidkanut (Righteousness) and our Kedushah (Holiness) and our Geulah LaOlam (Redemption to the world), [Jer 23:5,6; 33:16]

1Co 1:30 But you also belong to YAHWEH through Messiah Yahshua, who was made to us wisdom from YAHWEH, both righteousness and sanctification and redemption,

1Co 1:30 [of him But you are] in Christ Jesus, who became wisdom to us from God, both righteousness and sanctification and release by ransom;
1Co 1:31 that, as it has been written, The one boasting, [in the Lord let him boast]!
2Co 5:21 For the one not knowing sin, [for us a sin offering he made], that we should be righteousness of God by him.
2Co 5:21 The one who in his person had no da'as of chattat (sin) [Ac 3:14; Yn 8:46; MJ 4:15; 7:26; 1K 2:22; 1Y 3:5], this one Hashem made a chattat sin offering [Ga 3:13; YESHAYAH 53:10; VAYIKRA 4:24 TARGUM HASHIVIM] on our behalf that we might become the Tzidkat Hashem [DANIEL 9:24] in Moshiach. [1C 1:30; Pp 3:9] [T.N. In this next chapter Rav Sha’ul warns against associations or worldly influences or fascinations that will contaminate the believer, who should not think he can have both the world’s evil pleasures and the House of G-d’s holy chelek.]

2Co 5:21 For He who did not know sin, for your sakes made Himself sin, that we might through Him become the righteousness of YAHWEH.


--as to this--
How then can you explain Christ being made sin?

You have the tools-right? Please don't misconstrue my words in future.

It dawns on me you really did not address this or relate it to your final question

It was already answered

Isa 53 simply states he was crushed for our iniquities. It does not say they were made his own

you did not address this

1Pe 2:24 bore as to carry away does not say they then became his

both are assumptions

and the issue is not what the bible states but how you interpreted it

finally

2cor 5:21

Verse 21. For he hath made him to be sin for us] Τον μη γνοντα ἁμαρτιαν, ὑπερ ἡμων ἁμαρτιαν εποιησεν· He made him who knew no sin, (who was innocent,) a sin-offering for us. The word ἁμαρτια occurs here twice: in the first place it means sin, i. e. transgression and guilt; and of Christ it is said, He knew no sin, i. e. was innocent; for nut to know sin is the same as to be conscious of innocence; so, nil conscire sibi, to be conscious of nothing against one’s self, is the same as nulla pallescere culpa, to be unimpeachable.

In the second place, it signifies a sin-offering, or sacrifice for sin, and answers to the חטאה‎ chattaah and חטאת‎ chattath of the Hebrew text; which signifies both sin and sin-offering in a great variety of places in the Pentateuch. The Septuagint translate the Hebrew word by ἁμαρτια in ninety-four places in Exodus, Leviticus, and Numbers, where a sin-offering is meant; and where our version translates the word not sin, but an offering for sin. Had our translators attended to their own method of translating the word in other places where it means the same as here, they would not have given this false view of a passage which has been made the foundation of a most blasphemous doctrine; viz. that our sins were imputed to Christ, and that he was a proper object of the indignation of Divine justice, because he was blackened with imputed sin; and some have proceeded so far in this blasphemous career as to say, that Christ may be considered as the greatest of sinners, because all the sins of mankind, or of the elect, as they say, were imputed to him, and reckoned as his own1

1 Adam Clarke, The Holy Bible with a Commentary and Critical Notes (vol. 6, New Edition.; Bellingham, WA: Faithlife Corporation, 2014), 338–339.

examples from the old testament

Lev 4:29And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay the sin offering in the place of the burnt offering.
Lev 4:32And if he bring a lamb for a sin offering, he shall bring it a female without blemish.
Lev 4:3If the priest that is anointed do sin according to the sin of the people; then let him bring for his sin, which he hath sinned, a young bullock without blemish unto the Lord for a sin offering.
Lev 4:33And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay it for a sin offering in the place where they kill the burnt offering.
Lev 5:11But if he be not able to bring two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, then he that sinned shall bring for his offering the tenth part of an ephah of fine flour for a sin offering; he shall put no oil upon it, neither shall he put any frankincense thereon: for it is a sin offering.
Lev 4:24And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the goat, and kill it in the place where they kill the burnt offering before the Lord: it is a sin offering.
Lev 4:23Or if his sin, wherein he hath sinned, come to his knowledge; he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a male without blemish:
Lev 4:28Or if his sin, which he hath sinned, come to his knowledge: then he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for his sin which he hath sinned.
Lev 6:25Speak unto Aaron and to his sons, saying, This is the law of the sin offering: In the place where the burnt offering is killed shall the sin offering be killed before the Lord: it is most holy.
Lev 5:7And if he be not able to bring a lamb, then he shall bring for his trespass, which he hath committed, two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, unto the Lord; one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering.
Lev 5:9And he shall sprinkle of the blood of the sin offering upon the side of the altar; and the rest of the blood shall be wrung out at the bottom of the altar: it is a sin offering.
Lev 4:21And he shall carry forth the bullock without the camp, and burn him as he burned the first bullock: it is a sin offering for the congregation.
Lev 4:25And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out his blood at the bottom of the altar of burnt offering.
Lev 5:6And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the Lord for his sin which he hath sinned, a female from the flock, a lamb or a kid of the goats, for a sin offering; and the priest shall make an atonement for him concerning his sin.
Lev 4:8And he shall take off from it all the fat of the bullock for the sin offering; the fat that covereth the inwards, and all the fat that is upon the inwards,
Lev 5:10And he shall offer the second for a burnt offering, according to the manner: and the priest shall make an atonement for him for his sin which he hath sinned, and it shall be forgiven him.
Lev 14:13And he shall slay the lamb in the place where he shall kill the sin offering and the burnt offering, in the holy place: for as the sin offering is the priest’s, so is the trespass offering: it is most holy:
Lev 9:8Aaron therefore went unto the altar, and slew the calf of the sin offering, which was for himself.
Lev 16:5And he shall take of the congregation of the children of Israel two kids of the goats for a sin offering, and one ram for a burnt offering.
Lev 7:7As the sin offering is, so is the trespass offering: there is one law for them: the priest that maketh atonement therewith shall have it.
Lev 16:11And Aaron shall bring the bullock of the sin offering, which is for himself, and shall make an atonement for himself, and for his house, and shall kill the bullock of the sin offering which is for himself:
Lev 16:3Thus shall Aaron come into the holy place: with a young bullock for a sin offering, and a ram for a burnt offering.
Num 6:14And he shall offer his offering unto the Lord, one he lamb of the first year without blemish for a burnt offering, and one ewe lamb of the first year without blemish for a sin offering, and one ram without blemish for peace offerings,
Lev 16:9And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which the Lord’s lot fell, and offer him for a sin offering.
Num 7:46One kid of the goats for a sin offering:
Num 7:28One kid of the goats for a sin offering:
Num 7:58One kid of the goats for a sin offering:
Num 7:16One kid of the goats for a sin offering:
Num 6:16And the priest shall bring them before the Lord, and shall offer his sin offering, and his burnt offering:
Num 7:40One kid of the goats for a sin offering:

the Septuagint the Greek Old Testament follows the same pattern using the single word harmatia (sin) to denote the sin offering

Now it cannot mean that he was literally sin in the abstract, or ontologinally made to be sin as such.

It cannot mean he was guilty of sin

for the bible states he was undefiled and without sin

Hebrews 7:26 (KJV 1900) — 26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

Hebrews 4:15 (KJV 1900) — 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.


(MLV2021) For* the one who knew no sin, he was made* the sin offering on our behalf; in-order-that we might become the righteousness of God in him.

(RHB16) For Him who having known no sin, He has made sin bearer for us; that we may become the righteousness of God in Him.

(Anderson) for he has made him, who knew no sin, a sin-offering for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in him.

(AOB) HE CAUSED HIM WHO KNEW NO SIN [to become a] SIN OFFERING (Rom_8:3) ON OUR BEHALF, SO THAT WE MIGHT BECOME THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THEOS

(cjb) God made this sinless man be a sin offering on our behalf, so that in union with him we might fully share in God's righteousness."

(CLV) For the One not knowing sin, He makes to be a sin offering for our sakes that we may be becoming God's righteousness in Him."

(CTBible) for he hath made him who knew no sin, a sin offering for us, that by him we may be made the righteousness of God;

(Mace) for he hath made him who knew no sin to be a sin-offering for us, that we might be justified by God thro' him.

(LONT) For he has made him, who knew no sin, a sin-offering for us; that we might become the justified of God, by him.

(NJB) For our sake he made the sinless one a victim for sin, so that in him we might become the uprightness of God

(REV_231015) He made him who did not know sin to be a sin offering on our behalf, so that, through union with him, we would become the righteousness of God.

TCENT) For God made him who did not know sin to be a sin offering for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God

Thomas HaweisFor he hath made him, who knew no sin, to be a sin offering for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in him.

UDB) Yahweh made Messiah the offering for sin, the one who never sinned, so that when we trust in Messiah and believe in him, Yahweh makes us right with himself.

(ULB) He made Christ become the sacrifice for our sin. He is the one who never sinned. He did this so that we might become the righteousness of God in him.

(ULLB) He made Christ become the sacrifice for our sin. He is the one who never sinned. He did this so that we might become the righteousness of God in him.

ULT) He made Christ become the sacrifice for our sin. He is the one who never sinned. He did this so that we might become the righteousness of God in him.

(UST) He made Christ become the sacrifice for our sin. He is the one who never sinned. He did this so that we might become the righteousness of God in him.

finaly septuagint the Greek is simply harmatia (sin)

Lev 4:29And he will place his hand on the head of his sin offering, and they shall slaughter the she-goat for sin in the place where they slaughter the whole burnt offerings.
Lev 4:32“ ‘But if he presents a sheep as his gift for a sin offering, he will bring it as an unblemished female.
Lev 4:33And he will place his hand on the head of the sin offering, and they shall slaughter it in a place where they slaughter the whole burnt offerings.
Lev 5:11“ ‘But if his hand does not find a pair of turtledoves or two pigeon nestlings, then he will bring as his gift, regarding whatever he committed, a tenth of an ephah of fine wheat flour for a sin offering; he will not pour olive oil on it, nor will he place frankincense on it, because it is for a sin offering.
Lev 4:24And he will place his hand on the head of the he-goat, and they shall slaughter it in the location where they slaughter the whole burnt offerings before the Lord; it is a sin offering.
Lev 6:25“Speak to Aaron and to his sons, saying, ‘This is the law of the sin offering: In a place where they slaughter the whole burnt offering, they shall slaughter the animals for the sin offering before the Lord; they are holy of holies.
Lev 5:7But if his hand is not strong enough for a sheep, he will bring two turtledoves or two young pigeons to the Lord concerning his sin that he sinned, one for his sin offering and one for a whole burnt offering.
Lev 5:9And he will sprinkle some of the blood for the sin offering on the side of the altar, and he will squeeze out the remaining blood onto the base of the altar, for it is a sin offering.
Lev 4:21And they will carry the young bull outside of the encampment, and they will burn the young bull the way they burned the first young bull; it is a sin offering of the assembly.
Lev 4:25Then the priest will put some of the blood of the sin offering on his finger on the horns of the altar for whole burnt offerings, and he will pour all of its blood out at the base of the altar for burnt offerings.
Lev 5:6And for what he trespassed against the Lord, for the sin which he sinned, he will bring a female from the sheep, a lamb or a she-goat from the goats for his sin offering, and the priest will make atonement for him concerning his sin that he committed, and the sin will be forgiven for him.
Lev 4:8And he will remove all the fat of the young bull from it for the sin offering, the fat that covers the entrails and all the fat that is on the entrails.
Lev 14:13And they will slaughter the lamb in the place where they slaughter the whole burnt offerings and the sin offerings, in a sacred area, for it is a sin offering, just like the trespass offering. It is for the priest; it is holy of holies.
Lev 9:8And Aaron approached the altar and slaughtered the little calf for his sin offering.
Lev 16:5And from the community of the sons of Israel, of the goats he will take two he-goats for a sin offering, and one ram for a whole burnt offering.
Lev 6:37Just like what concerns the sin offering, so is the one of trespass. One law of them: the priest, whoever makes atonement, it shall be his.
Lev 16:11And Aaron will bring the young bull for his sin offering, and for his household only, and will make atonement for himself and for his household, and he will slaughter the young bull for his sin offering.
Num 6:14And he will bring his gift to the Lord, a one-year-old unblemished lamb for a burnt offering and a one-year-old unblemished lamb for a sin offering and an unblemished ram for an offering of well-being,
Lev 16:3In this way Aaron will enter into the holy place: with a young bull from the herd for a sin offering and a ram for a whole burnt offering.
Lev 16:9And Aaron will bring the he-goat on which the lot for the Lord came on it, and he shall offer it for a sin offering.
Num 7:46and one young goat from the goats for a sin offering;
Num 7:28and one young goat from the goats for a sin offering;
Num 7:58and one young goat from the goats for a sin offering;
Num 7:16and one young goat from the goats for a sin offering;
Num 6:16And the priest will bring them before the Lord and will execute his sin offering and his burnt offering.
Num 7:40and one young goat from the goats for a sin offering;
.

 

[Johann]

It dawns on me you really did not address this or relate it to your final question

It was already answered

Isa 53 simply states he was crushed for our iniquities. It does not say they were made his own

you did not address this

1Pe 2:24 bore as to carry away does not say they then became his

both are assumptions

and the issue is not what the bible states but how you interpreted it

finally

2cor 5:21

Verse 21. For he hath made him to be sin for us] Τον μη γνοντα ἁμαρτιαν, ὑπερ ἡμων ἁμαρτιαν εποιησεν· He made him who knew no sin, (who was innocent,) a sin-offering for us. The word ἁμαρτια occurs here twice: in the first place it means sin, i. e. transgression and guilt; and of Christ it is said, He knew no sin, i. e. was innocent; for nut to know sin is the same as to be conscious of innocence; so, nil conscire sibi, to be conscious of nothing against one’s self, is the same as nulla pallescere culpa, to be unimpeachable.

In the second place, it signifies a sin-offering, or sacrifice for sin, and answers to the חטאה‎ chattaah and חטאת‎ chattath of the Hebrew text; which signifies both sin and sin-offering in a great variety of places in the Pentateuch. The Septuagint translate the Hebrew word by ἁμαρτια in ninety-four places in Exodus, Leviticus, and Numbers, where a sin-offering is meant; and where our version translates the word not sin, but an offering for sin. Had our translators attended to their own method of translating the word in other places where it means the same as here, they would not have given this false view of a passage which has been made the foundation of a most blasphemous doctrine; viz. that our sins were imputed to Christ, and that he was a proper object of the indignation of Divine justice, because he was blackened with imputed sin; and some have proceeded so far in this blasphemous career as to say, that Christ may be considered as the greatest of sinners, because all the sins of mankind, or of the elect, as they say, were imputed to him, and reckoned as his own1

1 Adam Clarke, The Holy Bible with a Commentary and Critical Notes (vol. 6, New Edition.; Bellingham, WA: Faithlife Corporation, 2014), 338–339.

examples from the old testament

Lev 4:29And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay the sin offering in the place of the burnt offering.
Lev 4:32And if he bring a lamb for a sin offering, he shall bring it a female without blemish.
Lev 4:3If the priest that is anointed do sin according to the sin of the people; then let him bring for his sin, which he hath sinned, a young bullock without blemish unto the Lord for a sin offering.
Lev 4:33And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay it for a sin offering in the place where they kill the burnt offering.
Lev 5:11But if he be not able to bring two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, then he that sinned shall bring for his offering the tenth part of an ephah of fine flour for a sin offering; he shall put no oil upon it, neither shall he put any frankincense thereon: for it is a sin offering.
Lev 4:24And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the goat, and kill it in the place where they kill the burnt offering before the Lord: it is a sin offering.
Lev 4:23Or if his sin, wherein he hath sinned, come to his knowledge; he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a male without blemish:
Lev 4:28Or if his sin, which he hath sinned, come to his knowledge: then he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for his sin which he hath sinned.
Lev 6:25Speak unto Aaron and to his sons, saying, This is the law of the sin offering: In the place where the burnt offering is killed shall the sin offering be killed before the Lord: it is most holy.
Lev 5:7And if he be not able to bring a lamb, then he shall bring for his trespass, which he hath committed, two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, unto the Lord; one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering.
Lev 5:9And he shall sprinkle of the blood of the sin offering upon the side of the altar; and the rest of the blood shall be wrung out at the bottom of the altar: it is a sin offering.
Lev 4:21And he shall carry forth the bullock without the camp, and burn him as he burned the first bullock: it is a sin offering for the congregation.
Lev 4:25And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out his blood at the bottom of the altar of burnt offering.
Lev 5:6And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the Lord for his sin which he hath sinned, a female from the flock, a lamb or a kid of the goats, for a sin offering; and the priest shall make an atonement for him concerning his sin.
Lev 4:8And he shall take off from it all the fat of the bullock for the sin offering; the fat that covereth the inwards, and all the fat that is upon the inwards,
Lev 5:10And he shall offer the second for a burnt offering, according to the manner: and the priest shall make an atonement for him for his sin which he hath sinned, and it shall be forgiven him.
Lev 14:13And he shall slay the lamb in the place where he shall kill the sin offering and the burnt offering, in the holy place: for as the sin offering is the priest’s, so is the trespass offering: it is most holy:
Lev 9:8Aaron therefore went unto the altar, and slew the calf of the sin offering, which was for himself.
Lev 16:5And he shall take of the congregation of the children of Israel two kids of the goats for a sin offering, and one ram for a burnt offering.
Lev 7:7As the sin offering is, so is the trespass offering: there is one law for them: the priest that maketh atonement therewith shall have it.
Lev 16:11And Aaron shall bring the bullock of the sin offering, which is for himself, and shall make an atonement for himself, and for his house, and shall kill the bullock of the sin offering which is for himself:
Lev 16:3Thus shall Aaron come into the holy place: with a young bullock for a sin offering, and a ram for a burnt offering.
Num 6:14And he shall offer his offering unto the Lord, one he lamb of the first year without blemish for a burnt offering, and one ewe lamb of the first year without blemish for a sin offering, and one ram without blemish for peace offerings,
Lev 16:9And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which the Lord’s lot fell, and offer him for a sin offering.
Num 7:46One kid of the goats for a sin offering:
Num 7:28One kid of the goats for a sin offering:
Num 7:58One kid of the goats for a sin offering:
Num 7:16One kid of the goats for a sin offering:
Num 6:16And the priest shall bring them before the Lord, and shall offer his sin offering, and his burnt offering:
Num 7:40One kid of the goats for a sin offering:

the Septuagint the Greek Old Testament follows the same pattern using the single word harmatia (sin) to denote the sin offering

Now it cannot mean that he was literally sin in the abstract, or ontologinally made to be sin as such.

It cannot mean he was guilty of sin

for the bible states he was undefiled and without sin

Hebrews 7:26 (KJV 1900) — 26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

Hebrews 4:15 (KJV 1900) — 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.


(MLV2021) For* the one who knew no sin, he was made* the sin offering on our behalf; in-order-that we might become the righteousness of God in him.

(RHB16) For Him who having known no sin, He has made sin bearer for us; that we may become the righteousness of God in Him.

(Anderson) for he has made him, who knew no sin, a sin-offering for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in him.

(AOB) HE CAUSED HIM WHO KNEW NO SIN [to become a] SIN OFFERING (Rom_8:3) ON OUR BEHALF, SO THAT WE MIGHT BECOME THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THEOS

(cjb) God made this sinless man be a sin offering on our behalf, so that in union with him we might fully share in God's righteousness."

(CLV) For the One not knowing sin, He makes to be a sin offering for our sakes that we may be becoming God's righteousness in Him."

(CTBible) for he hath made him who knew no sin, a sin offering for us, that by him we may be made the righteousness of God;

(Mace) for he hath made him who knew no sin to be a sin-offering for us, that we might be justified by God thro' him.

(LONT) For he has made him, who knew no sin, a sin-offering for us; that we might become the justified of God, by him.

(NJB) For our sake he made the sinless one a victim for sin, so that in him we might become the uprightness of God

(REV_231015) He made him who did not know sin to be a sin offering on our behalf, so that, through union with him, we would become the righteousness of God.

TCENT) For God made him who did not know sin to be a sin offering for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God

Thomas HaweisFor he hath made him, who knew no sin, to be a sin offering for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in him.

UDB) Yahweh made Messiah the offering for sin, the one who never sinned, so that when we trust in Messiah and believe in him, Yahweh makes us right with himself.

(ULB) He made Christ become the sacrifice for our sin. He is the one who never sinned. He did this so that we might become the righteousness of God in him.

(ULLB) He made Christ become the sacrifice for our sin. He is the one who never sinned. He did this so that we might become the righteousness of God in him.

ULT) He made Christ become the sacrifice for our sin. He is the one who never sinned. He did this so that we might become the righteousness of God in him.

(UST) He made Christ become the sacrifice for our sin. He is the one who never sinned. He did this so that we might become the righteousness of God in him.
.

You'll figure it out-one day.
I'm just going to say this-no, I don't believe Jesus BECAME a sinner on the Cross but He was the Chattat.
As to the rest-you have the tools, commentaries etc.

כי את־אשר לא־ידע חטאה אתו עשה לחטאה בעדנו למען נהיה־בו אנחנו לצדקת אלהים׃

Shalom-have a good day.

 

[TomL]

You'll figure it out-one day.
I'm just going to say this-no, I don't believe Jesus BECAME a sinner on the Cross but He was the Chattat.
As to the rest-you have the tools, commentaries etc.

כי את־אשר לא־ידע חטאה אתו עשה לחטאה בעדנו למען נהיה־בו אנחנו לצדקת אלהים׃

Shalom-have a good day.

You are not addressing the issue how the words were used in the Hebrew and Greek

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/anti-psa%E2%80%94explain-to-me-how-the-blood-of-jesus-is-connected-to-forgiving.505/post-85505

See also Heb 10:8

Greek
[In the passage ] above
Ἀνώτερον (Anōteron)
Adjective - Accusative Neuter Singular - Comparative
Strong's 511: Comparative degree of ano; upper, i.e. to a more conspicuous place, in a former part of the book.

He says,
λέγων (legōn)
Verb - Present Participle Active - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's 3004: (a) I say, speak; I mean, mention, tell, (b) I call, name, especially in the pass., (c) I tell, command.

“Sacrifices
Θυσίας (Thysias)
Noun - Accusative Feminine Plural
Strong's 2378: Abstr. and concr: sacrifice; a sacrifice, offering. From thuo; sacrifice.

and
καὶ (kai)
Conjunction
Strong's 2532: And, even, also, namely.

offerings,
προσφορὰς (prosphoras)
Noun - Accusative Feminine Plural
Strong's 4376: An offering, sacrifice. From prosphero; presentation; concretely, an oblation or sacrifice.

burnt offerings
ὁλοκαυτώματα (holokautōmata)
Noun - Accusative Neuter Plural
Strong's 3646: A whole burnt offering. From a derivative of a compound of holos and a derivative of kaio; a wholly-consumed sacrifice.

and
καὶ (kai)
Conjunction
Strong's 2532: And, even, also, namely.

sin [offerings]
ἁμαρτίας (hamartias)
Noun - Genitive Feminine Singular
Strong's 266: From hamartano; a sin.

 

[Johann]

You are not addressing the issue how the words were used in the Hebrew and Greek

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/anti-psa%E2%80%94explain-to-me-how-the-blood-of-jesus-is-connected-to-forgiving.505/post-85505

See also Heb 10:8

Greek
[In the passage ] above
Ἀνώτερον (Anōteron)
Adjective - Accusative Neuter Singular - Comparative
Strong's 511: Comparative degree of ano; upper, i.e. to a more conspicuous place, in a former part of the book.

He says,
λέγων (legōn)
Verb - Present Participle Active - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's 3004: (a) I say, speak; I mean, mention, tell, (b) I call, name, especially in the pass., (c) I tell, command.

“Sacrifices
Θυσίας (Thysias)
Noun - Accusative Feminine Plural
Strong's 2378: Abstr. and concr: sacrifice; a sacrifice, offering. From thuo; sacrifice.

and
καὶ (kai)
Conjunction
Strong's 2532: And, even, also, namely.

offerings,
προσφορὰς (prosphoras)
Noun - Accusative Feminine Plural
Strong's 4376: An offering, sacrifice. From prosphero; presentation; concretely, an oblation or sacrifice.

burnt offerings
ὁλοκαυτώματα (holokautōmata)
Noun - Accusative Neuter Plural
Strong's 3646: A whole burnt offering. From a derivative of a compound of holos and a derivative of kaio; a wholly-consumed sacrifice.

and
καὶ (kai)
Conjunction
Strong's 2532: And, even, also, namely.

sin [offerings]
ἁμαρτίας (hamartias)
Noun - Genitive Feminine Singular
Strong's 266: From hamartano; a sin.

It shall help thee greatly to understand Scripture IF----written by whom?

Do you understand what you are posting? I do-do you?

Heb 10:7 Then I said, ‘Look, here I am, I have come --it is written about me in the megillah [scroll’) LA'ASOT RETZONECHAH ELOHAI CHAFATZTI ("I desire to do your will, O G-d.")
Heb 10:8 When he said above, "ZEVACH and MINCHAH and OLAH and CHATA'AH you have not desired, nor have you taken pleasure in them" --these are offered according to the Torah
Heb 10:9 Then he said, "I have come LA'ASOT RETZONECHAH ("to do your will.") He takes away HaRishonah (the way of the zevakhim of the kehunah of Levi) in order to establish HaSheniyah (the way of the zevach of the kehunah of Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach).
Heb 10:10 And it is by the ratzon Hashem that we will have been set apart for kedushah through the korban NEFESH (YESHAYAH 53:10 cf. ASHAM KORBAN) of Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach Yehoshua, once and for all.


Heb 10:8 (KJV) Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

Reciprocal
Ex 29:18 You shall burn the whole ram on the altar: it is a burnt offering to Yahweh; it is a pleasant aroma, an offering made by fire to Yahweh.

Le 1:3 “‘If his offering is a burnt offering from the herd, he shall offer a male without defect. He shall offer it at the door of the Tent of Meeting, that he may be accepted before Yahweh.

Le 1:17 He shall tear it by its wings, but shall not divide it apart. The priest shall burn it on the altar, on the wood that is on the fire. It is a burnt offering, an offering made by fire, of a pleasant aroma to Yahweh.

Le 4:29 He shall lay his hand on the head of the sin offering, and kill the sin offering in the place of burnt offering.

Le 5:7 “‘If he can’t afford a lamb, then he shall bring his trespass offering for that in which he has sinned, two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, to Yahweh; one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering.

Le 9:9 The sons of Aaron presented the blood to him; and he dipped his finger in the blood, and put it on the horns of the altar, and poured out the blood at the base of the altar;

Le 9:16 He presented the burnt offering, and offered it according to the ordinance.

Le 16:5 He shall take from the congregation of the children of Israel two male goats for a sin offering, and one ram for a burnt offering.

Nu 8:12 “The Levites shall lay their hands on the heads of the bulls, and you shall offer the one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering to Yahweh, to make atonement for the Levites.

1Sa 3:14 Therefore I have sworn to the house of Eli that the iniquity of Eli’s house shall not be removed with sacrifice or offering forever.”

1Sa 15:22 Samuel said, “Has Yahweh as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying Yahweh’s voice? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to listen than the fat of rams.

2Sa 21:3 and David said to the Gibeonites, “What should I do for you? And with what should I make atonement, that you may bless Yahweh’s inheritance?”

Ps 40:6-7 [6] Sacrifice and offering you didn’t desire. You have opened my ears. You have not required burnt offering and sin offering. [7] Then I said, “Behold, I have come. It is written about me in the book in the scroll.

Ps 50:8 I don’t rebuke you for your sacrifices. Your burnt offerings are continually before me.

Is 40:16 Lebanon is not sufficient to burn, nor its animals sufficient for a burnt offering.

Is 50:5 The Lord Yahweh has opened my ear. I was not rebellious. I have not turned back.

Is 53:10 Yet it pleased Yahweh to bruise him. He has caused him to suffer. When you make his soul an offering for sin, he will see his offspring. He will prolong his days and Yahweh’s pleasure will prosper in his hand.

Je 3:16 It will come to pass, when you are multiplied and increased in the land in those days,” says Yahweh, “they will no longer say, ‘the ark of Yahweh’s covenant!’ It will not come to mind. They won’t remember it. They won’t miss it, nor will another be made.

Eze 43:18 He said to me, “Son of man, the Lord Yahweh says: ‘These are the ordinances of the altar in the day when they make it, to offer burnt offerings on it, and to sprinkle blood on it.

Eze 45:23 The seven days of the feast he shall prepare a burnt offering to Yahweh, seven bulls and seven rams without defect daily the seven days; and a male goat daily for a sin offering.

Eze 46:15 Thus they shall prepare the lamb, the meal offering, and the oil, morning by morning, for a continual burnt offering.”

Da 9:27 He will make a firm covenant with many for one week. In the middle of the week he will cause the sacrifice and the offering to cease. On the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate; and even to the decreed full end, wrath will be poured out on the desolate.”

Mic 6:6 How shall I come before Yahweh, and bow myself before the exalted God? Shall I come before him with burnt offerings, with calves a year old?

Zec 13:7 “Awake, sword, against my shepherd, and against the man who is close to me,” says Yahweh of Armies. “Strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered; and I will turn my hand against the little ones.

Mt 5:17 “Don’t think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn’t come to destroy, but to fulfill.

Mt 26:28 for this is my blood of the new covenant, which is poured out for many for the remission of sins.

Lk 22:16 for I tell you, I will no longer by any means eat of it until it is fulfilled in God’s Kingdom.”

Lk 22:42 saying, “Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.”

Jn 1:17 For the law was given through Moses. Grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.

Jn 6:38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me.

Jn 6:51 I am the living bread which came down out of heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. Yes, the bread which I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”

Jn 8:29 He who sent me is with me. The Father hasn’t left me alone, for I always do the things that are pleasing to him.”

Jn 10:18 No one takes it away from me, but I lay it down by myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. I received this commandment from my Father.”

Jn 12:27 “Now my soul is troubled. What shall I say? ‘Father, save me from this time?’ But I came to this time for this cause.

Jn 13:8 Peter said to him, “You will never wash my feet!” Jesus answered him, “If I don’t wash you, you have no part with me.”

Jn 14:31 But that the world may know that I love the Father, and as the Father commanded me, even so I do. Arise, let’s go from here.

Jn 15:10 If you keep my commandments, you will remain in my love, even as I have kept my Father’s commandments and remain in his love.

Jn 16:10 about righteousness, because I am going to my Father, and you won’t see me any more;

Jn 17:19 For their sakes I sanctify myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth.

Jn 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, “It is finished!” Then he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

Ac 6:14 For we have heard him say that this Jesus of Nazareth will destroy this place, and will change the customs which Moses delivered to us.”

Ac 13:38 Be it known to you therefore, brothers, that through this man is proclaimed to you remission of sins;

Ro 3:21 But now apart from the law, a righteousness of God has been revealed, being testified by the law and the prophets;

Ro 8:3 For what the law couldn’t do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God did, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh,

Ro 10:4 For Christ is the fulfillment of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

1Co 15:17 If Christ has not been raised, your faith is vain; you are still in your sins.

2Co 3:13 and not as Moses, who put a veil on his face so that the children of Israel wouldn’t look steadfastly on the end of that which was passing away.

Ga 1:4 who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us out of this present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father—

Ga 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us. For it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree,”

Ga 3:24 So that the law has become our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Eph 1:7 In him we have our redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace

Eph 2:15 having abolished in his flesh the hostility, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man of the two, making peace,

Php 2:8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself, becoming obedient to the point of death, yes, the death of the cross.

Col 2:14 wiping out the handwriting in ordinances which was against us. He has taken it out of the way, nailing it to the cross.

Heb 5:8 though he was a Son, yet learned obedience by the things which he suffered.

Heb 7:18 For there is an annulling of a foregoing commandment because of its weakness and uselessness

Heb 7:27 who doesn’t need, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices daily, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. For he did this once for all, when he offered up himself.

Heb 10:4 For it is impossible that the blood of bulls and goats should take away sins.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more a sacrifice for sins,

Heb 12:2 looking to Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising its shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Let me know if you are teachable and TOGETHER we can search the Scriptures since time is short @TomL

 

[TomL]

It shall help thee greatly to understand Scripture IF----written by whom?

Do you understand what you are posting? I do-do you?

If I did not I would not post it

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/anti-psa%E2%80%94explain-to-me-how-the-blood-of-jesus-is-connected-to-forgiving.505/post-85509

Heb 10:7 Then I said, ‘Look, here I am, I have come --it is written about me in the megillah [scroll’) LA'ASOT RETZONECHAH ELOHAI CHAFATZTI ("I desire to do your will, O G-d.")
Heb 10:8 When he said above, "ZEVACH and MINCHAH and OLAH and CHATA'AH you have not desired, nor have you taken pleasure in them" --these are offered according to the Torah
Heb 10:9 Then he said, "I have come LA'ASOT RETZONECHAH ("to do your will.") He takes away HaRishonah (the way of the zevakhim of the kehunah of Levi) in order to establish HaSheniyah (the way of the zevach of the kehunah of Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach).
Heb 10:10 And it is by the ratzon Hashem that we will have been set apart for kedushah through the korban NEFESH (YESHAYAH 53:10 cf. ASHAM KORBAN) of Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach Yehoshua, once and for all.


Heb 10:8 (KJV) Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

Reciprocal
Ex 29:18 You shall burn the whole ram on the altar: it is a burnt offering to Yahweh; it is a pleasant aroma, an offering made by fire to Yahweh.

Le 1:3 “‘If his offering is a burnt offering from the herd, he shall offer a male without defect. He shall offer it at the door of the Tent of Meeting, that he may be accepted before Yahweh.

Le 1:17 He shall tear it by its wings, but shall not divide it apart. The priest shall burn it on the altar, on the wood that is on the fire. It is a burnt offering, an offering made by fire, of a pleasant aroma to Yahweh.

Le 4:29 He shall lay his hand on the head of the sin offering, and kill the sin offering in the place of burnt offering.

Le 5:7 “‘If he can’t afford a lamb, then he shall bring his trespass offering for that in which he has sinned, two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, to Yahweh; one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering.

Le 9:9 The sons of Aaron presented the blood to him; and he dipped his finger in the blood, and put it on the horns of the altar, and poured out the blood at the base of the altar;

Le 9:16 He presented the burnt offering, and offered it according to the ordinance.

Le 16:5 He shall take from the congregation of the children of Israel two male goats for a sin offering, and one ram for a burnt offering.

Nu 8:12 “The Levites shall lay their hands on the heads of the bulls, and you shall offer the one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering to Yahweh, to make atonement for the Levites.

1Sa 3:14 Therefore I have sworn to the house of Eli that the iniquity of Eli’s house shall not be removed with sacrifice or offering forever.”

1Sa 15:22 Samuel said, “Has Yahweh as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying Yahweh’s voice? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to listen than the fat of rams.

2Sa 21:3 and David said to the Gibeonites, “What should I do for you? And with what should I make atonement, that you may bless Yahweh’s inheritance?”

Ps 40:6-7 [6] Sacrifice and offering you didn’t desire. You have opened my ears. You have not required burnt offering and sin offering. [7] Then I said, “Behold, I have come. It is written about me in the book in the scroll.

Ps 50:8 I don’t rebuke you for your sacrifices. Your burnt offerings are continually before me.

Is 40:16 Lebanon is not sufficient to burn, nor its animals sufficient for a burnt offering.

Is 50:5 The Lord Yahweh has opened my ear. I was not rebellious. I have not turned back.

Is 53:10 Yet it pleased Yahweh to bruise him. He has caused him to suffer. When you make his soul an offering for sin, he will see his offspring. He will prolong his days and Yahweh’s pleasure will prosper in his hand.

Je 3:16 It will come to pass, when you are multiplied and increased in the land in those days,” says Yahweh, “they will no longer say, ‘the ark of Yahweh’s covenant!’ It will not come to mind. They won’t remember it. They won’t miss it, nor will another be made.

Eze 43:18 He said to me, “Son of man, the Lord Yahweh says: ‘These are the ordinances of the altar in the day when they make it, to offer burnt offerings on it, and to sprinkle blood on it.

Eze 45:23 The seven days of the feast he shall prepare a burnt offering to Yahweh, seven bulls and seven rams without defect daily the seven days; and a male goat daily for a sin offering.

Eze 46:15 Thus they shall prepare the lamb, the meal offering, and the oil, morning by morning, for a continual burnt offering.”

Da 9:27 He will make a firm covenant with many for one week. In the middle of the week he will cause the sacrifice and the offering to cease. On the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate; and even to the decreed full end, wrath will be poured out on the desolate.”

Mic 6:6 How shall I come before Yahweh, and bow myself before the exalted God? Shall I come before him with burnt offerings, with calves a year old?

Zec 13:7 “Awake, sword, against my shepherd, and against the man who is close to me,” says Yahweh of Armies. “Strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered; and I will turn my hand against the little ones.

Mt 5:17 “Don’t think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn’t come to destroy, but to fulfill.

Mt 26:28 for this is my blood of the new covenant, which is poured out for many for the remission of sins.

Lk 22:16 for I tell you, I will no longer by any means eat of it until it is fulfilled in God’s Kingdom.”

Lk 22:42 saying, “Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.”

Jn 1:17 For the law was given through Moses. Grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.

Jn 6:38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me.

Jn 6:51 I am the living bread which came down out of heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. Yes, the bread which I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”

Jn 8:29 He who sent me is with me. The Father hasn’t left me alone, for I always do the things that are pleasing to him.”

Jn 10:18 No one takes it away from me, but I lay it down by myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. I received this commandment from my Father.”

Jn 12:27 “Now my soul is troubled. What shall I say? ‘Father, save me from this time?’ But I came to this time for this cause.

Jn 13:8 Peter said to him, “You will never wash my feet!” Jesus answered him, “If I don’t wash you, you have no part with me.”

Jn 14:31 But that the world may know that I love the Father, and as the Father commanded me, even so I do. Arise, let’s go from here.

Jn 15:10 If you keep my commandments, you will remain in my love, even as I have kept my Father’s commandments and remain in his love.

Jn 16:10 about righteousness, because I am going to my Father, and you won’t see me any more;

Jn 17:19 For their sakes I sanctify myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth.

Jn 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, “It is finished!” Then he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

Ac 6:14 For we have heard him say that this Jesus of Nazareth will destroy this place, and will change the customs which Moses delivered to us.”

Ac 13:38 Be it known to you therefore, brothers, that through this man is proclaimed to you remission of sins;

Ro 3:21 But now apart from the law, a righteousness of God has been revealed, being testified by the law and the prophets;

Ro 8:3 For what the law couldn’t do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God did, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh,

Ro 10:4 For Christ is the fulfillment of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

1Co 15:17 If Christ has not been raised, your faith is vain; you are still in your sins.

2Co 3:13 and not as Moses, who put a veil on his face so that the children of Israel wouldn’t look steadfastly on the end of that which was passing away.

Ga 1:4 who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us out of this present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father—

Ga 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us. For it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree,”

Ga 3:24 So that the law has become our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Eph 1:7 In him we have our redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace

Eph 2:15 having abolished in his flesh the hostility, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man of the two, making peace,

Php 2:8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself, becoming obedient to the point of death, yes, the death of the cross.

Col 2:14 wiping out the handwriting in ordinances which was against us. He has taken it out of the way, nailing it to the cross.

Heb 5:8 though he was a Son, yet learned obedience by the things which he suffered.

Heb 7:18 For there is an annulling of a foregoing commandment because of its weakness and uselessness

Heb 7:27 who doesn’t need, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices daily, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. For he did this once for all, when he offered up himself.

Heb 10:4 For it is impossible that the blood of bulls and goats should take away sins.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more a sacrifice for sins,

Heb 12:2 looking to Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising its shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Let me know if you are teachable and TOGETHER we can search the Scriptures since time is short @TomL

You posted a lot of verses - to what end?

God was not expressing wrath again the Old Testament sacrifices

The sacrifice did not become guilty but was holy unto the lord

Exodus 29:31–34 (KJV 1900) — 31 And thou shalt take the ram of the consecration, and seethe his flesh in the holy place. 32 And Aaron and his sons shall eat the flesh of the ram, and the bread that is in the basket, by the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. 33 And they shall eat those things wherewith the atonement was made, to consecrate and to sanctify them: but a stranger shall not eat thereof, because they are holy. 34 And if ought of the flesh of the consecrations, or of the bread, remain unto the morning, then thou shalt burn the remainder with fire: it shall not be eaten, because it is holy.

 

[koberstein]

Go right ahead.

I will

 

[koberstein]

Go right ahead.

Not dealing with heretics and bullies

 

[Johann]

Not dealing with heretics and bullies

יְבָרֶכְךָ יְהוָה וְיִשְׁמְרֶךָיָאֵר יְהוָה פָּנָיו אֵלֶיךָ וִיחֻנֶּךָּיִשָּׂא יְהוָה פָּנָיו אֵלֶיךָ וְיָשֵׂם לְךָ שָׁלוֹם

:Yevarechecha Adonai veyishmerechaYa'er Adonai panav eleycha vichunekaYisa Adonai panav eleycha veyasem lecha shalom

Shalom Achi.