Anti-PSA—explain to me how the Blood of Jesus is connected to forgiving.

dizerner

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For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. (Matt. 26:28 NKJ)

What LOGICAL connection does Christ's blood have with the remission of sins?

What is the connection?
 
“Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins” (Heb. 9:22).
Nothing about wrath in there, or PSA.
 
Purification for sin- καθαρισμός- katharismos: a cleansing, purifying, purification, expiation. Strongs 2512.

Thayers: a cleansing from the guilt of sins (see καθαρίζω, 1 b. β.): wrought now by baptism, 2 Peter 1:9, now by the expiatory sacrifice of Christ, Hebrews 1:3 on which cf. Kurtz, Commentary, p. 70; (Exodus 30:10; τῆς ἁμαρτίας μου, Job 7:21; of an atonement, Lucian, asin. 22)

Hebrews 1:3-And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Purification for sin is in the blood of Christ in the Atonement

Matthew 26:26-29

While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.”27 Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.29 I tell you, I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.”

Hebrews 9:22
Because all things are purged by blood in The Written Law, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

Leviticus 4:20,26,35
And he shall do with the bullock as he did with the bullock for a sin offering, so shall he do with this: and the priest shall make an atonement for them, and it shall be forgiven them

Leviticus 6:7
And the priest shall make an atonement for him before the LORD: and it shall be forgiven him for any thing of all that he hath done in trespassing therein.

Leviticus 17:11
For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for your souls upon the altar; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.

Hebrews 9
Now the first covenant had regulations for worship and also an earthly sanctuary. 2 A tabernacle was set up. In its first room were the lampstand and the table with its consecrated bread; this was called the Holy Place. 3 Behind the second curtain was a room called the Most Holy Place, 4 which had the golden altar of incense and the gold-covered ark of the covenant. This ark contained the gold jar of manna, Aaron’s staff that had budded, and the stone tablets of the covenant. 5 Above the ark were the cherubim of the Glory, overshadowing the atonement cover. But we cannot discuss these things in detail now. 6 When everything had been arranged like this, the priests entered regularly into the outer room to carry on their ministry. 7 But only the high priest entered the inner room, and that only once a year, and never without blood, which he offered for himself and for the sins the people had committed in ignorance. 8 The Holy Spirit was showing by this that the way into the Most Holy Place had not yet been disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still functioning. 9 This is an illustration for the present time, indicating that the gifts and sacrifices being offered were not able to clear the conscience of the worshiper. 10 They are only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings—external regulations applying until the time of the new order.

The forgiveness of sins is found only in the blood of Christ- His life which He gave as a sacrifice for sin. That is the heart of the Atonement. It is what the New Covenant is found upon His blood, His life which was given for our sins. Forgiveness is only found in His blood that He gave His life on our behalf. That is how are sins are removed and taken away. That is what the Law required for sin was the blood of the animal sacrifice.

hope this helps !!!
 
Okay.

So the blood of Jesus is connected to "cleansing" sin even by an anti-PSA.

The blood of Jesus is connected to "forgiving" sin (which is confusing because elsewhere it seems like you deny this).

The blood of Jesus is connected to "taking away" sin even by an anti-PSA.


Now explain to me why it does that?

What is the logical connection?

Nothing?
 
There is no "punishment" above anywhere. There is a sacrifice provided which covers and provides forgiveness of sins. The entire book of Hebrews is built upon the OT Law and how it is fulfilled in Christ.

Jesus said He gave His life as a Ransom . Strongs 3038- Lutron λύτρον. the purchasing money for manumitting slaves, a ransom, the price of ransoming; especially the sacrifice by which expiation is effected, an offering of expiation. Thayers: λύτρον, λύτρου, τό (λύω), the Sept. passim for כֹּפֶר, גְּאֻלָּה, פִּדְיון, etc.; the price for redeeming, ransom (paid for slaves, Leviticus 19:20; for captives, Isaiah 45:13; for the ransom of a life, Exodus 21:30; Numbers 35:31f): ἀντί πολλῶν, to liberate many from the misery and penalty of their sins, Matthew 20:28; Mark 10:45. (Pindar, Aeschylus, Xenophon, Plato, others.)

Matthew 20:28- just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life as a ransom for many

hilastērion – the atonement is received by Faith.

Romans 3:25

God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished. NIV

Romans 3:25
whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. ESV

The Atonement is received by faith. The offering of the Atonement for sin cannot be obtained apart from faith. The atonement for sin has been made and it cannot be applied to mankind apart from faith. Jesus has made an atonement for sin but it produces no reconciliation, no pardon from sin, no remission of sin unless is accepted or received by faith. His blood makes forgiveness possible in the atonement and it must be received by faith in Him and His finished work on the cross through His death, burial and resurrection from the dead, the gospel . He died for our sins according to the scriptures.

hope this helps !!!
 
All the new threads , questions and anti comments will not change anything with my beliefs. If anything it just affirms they are right on track with scripture.
 
It’s a battle for truth and I’m on the right side of the truth when it comes to the atonement and the Tri-Unity of God.
 
There is no "punishment" above anywhere. There is a sacrifice provided which covers and provides forgiveness of sins. The entire book of Hebrews is built upon the OT Law and how it is fulfilled in Christ.

Jesus said He gave His life as a Ransom . Strongs 3038- Lutron λύτρον. the purchasing money for manumitting slaves, a ransom, the price of ransoming; especially the sacrifice by which expiation is effected, an offering of expiation. Thayers: λύτρον, λύτρου, τό (λύω), the Sept. passim for כֹּפֶר, גְּאֻלָּה, פִּדְיון, etc.; the price for redeeming, ransom (paid for slaves, Leviticus 19:20; for captives, Isaiah 45:13; for the ransom of a life, Exodus 21:30; Numbers 35:31f): ἀντί πολλῶν, to liberate many from the misery and penalty of their sins, Matthew 20:28; Mark 10:45. (Pindar, Aeschylus, Xenophon, Plato, others.)

Matthew 20:28- just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life as a ransom for many

hilastērion – the atonement is received by Faith.

Romans 3:25

God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished. NIV

Romans 3:25
whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. ESV

The Atonement is received by faith. The offering of the Atonement for sin cannot be obtained apart from faith. The atonement for sin has been made and it cannot be applied to mankind apart from faith. Jesus has made an atonement for sin but it produces no reconciliation, no pardon from sin, no remission of sin unless is accepted or received by faith. His blood makes forgiveness possible in the atonement and it must be received by faith in Him and His finished work on the cross through His death, burial and resurrection from the dead, the gospel . He died for our sins according to the scriptures.

hope this helps !!!
I have been seeking in my spirit this weekend just how does expiation and propitiation go hand in hand.

When Jesus died for ours sins, it was purposed to remove our guilt-purify us (expiation). The purification of sin is what reconciles us to God (propitiation).

The single righteous act of our Lord willingly and purposely giving His sinless life to suffer and die for our sins purifies us. The removal of sins is what reconciles us to God. We were purchased with the blood of God, Jesus Christ our Lord.

"Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!"

God Bless
 
I have been seeking in my spirit this weekend just how does expiation and propitiation go hand in hand.

When Jesus died for ours sins, it was purposed to remove our guilt-purify us (expiation). The purification of sin is what reconciles us to God (propitiation).

The single righteous act of our Lord willingly and purposely giving His sinless life to suffer and die for our sins purifies us. The removal of sins is what reconciles us to God. We were purchased with the blood of God, Jesus Christ our Lord.

"Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!"

God Bless
Thanks Joe for your insight.
 
All the new threads , questions and anti comments will not change anything with my beliefs. If anything it just affirms they are right on track with scripture.
As for me I've never liked anyone to use the ANTI term when they express themselves to other Christians. ANTI is a worldly buzz word and they use it as a put down. I've just never liked the sound of it among Christians.
 
As for me I've never liked anyone to use the ANTI term when they express themselves to other Christians. ANTI is a worldly buzz word and they use it as a put down. I've just never liked the sound of it among Christians.
I agree with you. I will stop using that term unless I'm quoting scripture and its referring to the many antichrists :)
 
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